Poll of the Day > Your 5 year old son comes up to you and says, "I'm a girl."

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Cruddy_horse
10/13/18 9:50:00 PM
#51:


edededdy posted...
so when did people start taking 5 year olds seriously?


This, and when I was 5 I couldn't even read, what makes someone think a child that age has a firm grasp on a complex topic like sexuality or gender? And no way a 5 year old could be able to say things like in the first post.

I hope some of the people here never have children.
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argonautweakend
10/13/18 10:03:14 PM
#52:


I wouldnt expect them to grasp it fully. But a lot of trans people have said from a young age they felt different or weird and it carried on throughout their life.

I'm not advocating for any permanent changes that early such as genital surgery, but being supportive? absolutely. it either passes or just as likely doesn't pass. if it passes you were still respectful to your child, and if a few years down the line they're the same way then pursue the options you have.
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GreenKnight127
10/13/18 10:09:29 PM
#53:


argonautweakend posted...
I wouldnt expect them to grasp it fully. But a lot of trans people have said from a young age they felt different or weird and it carried on throughout their life.

I'm not advocating for any permanent changes that early such as genital surgery, but being supportive? absolutely. it either passes or just as likely doesn't pass. if it passes you were still respectful to your child, and if a few years down the line they're the same way then pursue the options you have.


Being "supportive" is where we get into the interesting gray area.

Is it "supportive" to refer to your 5 year old son as a "she" just because they say so....?? Or is that "submission to their demands"? Because I can see it both ways. And it's essential that you maintain your position as the parent...and not let them walk all over you and make the rules. But you should also hear out their thoughts and feelings. But you can't have it both ways sometimes.

That's why it's a more complicated issue than it seems on the surface.

And there are parents out there who would genuinely think you are a total fucking monster if you DON'T start referring to your 5 year old son as a "she" the moment they ask.

But parents should also be intelligent enough to realize that all the thoughts and feelings of a 5 year old should be taken with a grain of salt.

Oh wait, but that's insensitive?

So which one is it?

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TheCyborgNinja
10/13/18 10:57:15 PM
#54:


I'd just be like "uhhh" and then wait it out until we know for sure.
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Zeus
10/13/18 11:10:48 PM
#55:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
thanks for posting with compassion. Had to stop reading the topic because of the ignorant posts but it's good to see some good ones from you.


I had to stop reading that post because of the cringe.

adjl posted...
Zeus posted...
I'd like to think I'd raised him better than to be confused.


Apparently Zeus thinks transgenderism is purely the product of bad parenting.


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SkynyrdRocker
10/13/18 11:11:19 PM
#56:


@Zeus fuck you, bigot
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Zeus
10/13/18 11:14:12 PM
#57:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
[Flaming + mention]


@SkynyrdRocker

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SkynyrdRocker
10/13/18 11:15:34 PM
#58:


You are the epitome of a deplorable human being
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GreenKnight127
10/13/18 11:38:05 PM
#59:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
You are the epitome of a deplorable human being


Says the guy who accuses someone of "shitting on transgenders" without an ounce of proof.

Honestly, SkynyrdRocker, why are you even here? You've contributed nothing.
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Zeus
10/13/18 11:39:41 PM
#60:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
You are the epitome of a deplorable human being


And you're the epitome of a pot calling a kettle black. My few negative traits could never hope to match the darkness in your soul.
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EnvyFox
10/14/18 1:47:00 AM
#61:


I'd begin wondering when the hell did I get a son and start panicking before waking up in a cold sweat. Realizing that being a parent was all just a terrible nightmare, I'll relax knowing that I can still spend my money on more selfish things like video games.
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KJ StErOiDs
10/14/18 1:48:09 AM
#62:


A whole bunch of "no"s.

If he was 15 maybe it'd be different.
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wwinterj25
10/14/18 1:48:52 AM
#63:


GreenKnight127 posted...
How would you respond?


"Your willy says otherwise now run along and play with your barbie dolls, ok?"
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Yellow
10/14/18 2:36:32 AM
#64:


I said something along the lines of "I wish I was a girl" to my dad once because I thought they had it easier.

He told me to never say that again, lol.

Of course, I didn't want to be called a girl name and I didn't show signs of dysphoria aside from that. I'm not saying that's enough to call it in and get the hormones, but if I had been wearing a dress or calling myself girl names for years consistently that would probably be something more serious.
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wwinterj25
10/14/18 2:50:38 AM
#65:


What I'd be wondering is how do they know what being a girl feels like? Also are they aware guys can like "girl things" without actually being a girl? Of course asking a five year old these things will probably confuse them even more so it's best to just ignore them until they are old enough to know what they are saying.
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Zeus
10/14/18 3:08:39 AM
#66:


Yellow posted...
I said something along the lines of "I wish I was a girl" to my dad once because I thought they had it easier.


They kinda do for the most part. Transwomen, not so much.

wwinterj25 posted...
What I'd be wondering is how do they know what being a girl feels like? Also are they aware guys can like "girl things" without actually being a girl? Of course asking a five year old these things will probably confuse them even more so it's best to just ignore them until they are old enough to know what they are saying.


This so hard. Pretty much everybody who says that, "Oh, there are signs!", cites stuff like boys playing with dolls or having tea parties, which really has nothing to do with the gender itself (doubly so since it's a trope also associated with homosexuals).

And given that society is overcompensating on transgender issues, you're bound to get a lot of little boys who don't have dysmorphia but are convinced by outside influences that they should transition because they lack the context of their actual gender. Transitioning may be the right move for some people, but it's also going to be a mistake for others.
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GreenKnight127
10/14/18 4:29:10 AM
#67:


Zeus posted...
And given that society is overcompensating on transgender issues, you're bound to get a lot of little boys who don't have dysmorphia but are convinced by outside influences that they should transition because they lack the context of their actual gender.


God damn, this is it right here.

This is exactly how I feel about it. When you are 5 years old, and claim to believe "in your heart" (or whatever the fuck) that you are the opposite gender......I don't think it should be taken seriously at all. However....outside influences slip in at this point. Teachers getting oversaturated with mandatory workshops and seminars about transgender students and how to be more tolerant and prevent bullying and stuff......so teachers are going to overanalyze student behavior. They will see a boy in kindergarten playing with girls toys, or being jealous when he sees his female peers getting more attention for having long pretty hair they can do fancy things with. The boy might casually say he wants to be a girl simply because he sees how they get more attention and happiness in school, and boys are kinda shit on. So he makes a comment to the teacher, and she makes a comment to the parents, and it becomes this whole back-and-forth where they are really overanalyzing the boy....and play along with his little wish because they don't want to be "mean" and tell him he's a boy and always will be a boy. So they allow him to identify as a female. They humor him. They support him.

Dunno. Just seems like when the kid is only 5, it's going to be outside influences that let the identity grow by watering the seed.
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Zareth
10/14/18 4:40:44 AM
#68:


I have no son.
I mean, seriously, I have no son. What is this kid claiming to be my son doing in my house?
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myghostisdead
10/14/18 7:30:05 AM
#69:


At 5 I wanted to be a horse and used to gallop everywhere.
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BeerOnTap
10/14/18 8:58:26 AM
#70:


Pus_N_Pecans posted...
I'd say "okay" and I'd treat them the way they wanted me to. If they continue to feel this way later in life, I'd help them to transition; if they decided they'd rather be treated as a boy again later on, that'd be fine too.


Studies show the overwhelming majority of kids who say this end up growing out of it.
Adding to and nurturing the confusion is tantamount to child abuse.

If it were my son, I would simply say no son, you are a boy, you are not a girl. You're just confused.
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EvilMegas
10/14/18 9:03:41 AM
#71:


"Go watch paw patrol and stop bothering me"
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Krazy_Kirby
10/14/18 10:17:56 AM
#72:


kids say the darnedest things
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argonautweakend
10/14/18 10:34:01 AM
#73:


I reallt dont buy the child abuse arguments here. I guess if the parents do something non reversable or force their child one way but if my kid wants to play with dolls and be called me different name all its doing is making them happy by obliging. I dont think there is any harm in that even if it is just a fad.
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kind9
10/14/18 10:54:36 AM
#74:


I would remind him that he has a peepee and not a vajayjay.

5 is too young to encourage that imo, but I guess I'd be more inclined to take him seriously if he has obvious female-like mannerisms.
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Pus_N_Pecans
10/14/18 11:19:34 AM
#75:


GreenKnight127 posted...
Because you are essentially letting your 5 year old dictate everything.

No you're not, you're just giving them the freedom to dress the way they'd like to. Bathrooms are a point of contention, and I'd probably try to explain to them that they should continue to use the boy's bathroom in public settings, but otherwise, letting your child tell you what they'd like to be called and how they'd like to dress really isn't too radical a concept. Adopted kids often get to choose a new name for themselves, and even non-adopted kids might ask their parents to stop calling them by another name they decide sounds childish. It's not that big of a deal.

BeerOnTap posted...
Adding to and nurturing the confusion is tantamount to child abuse.

Acknowledging a child's feelings is not abuse, but ignoring them and forcing them to behave as a gender they don't identify as is pretty irresponsible parenting. If they change their mind at age 6, so what? They're a kid, I wouldn't expect them to know who they are yet either way. There's no harm in giving them a bit of freedom to express themselves as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.
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KrissVector
10/14/18 11:23:46 AM
#76:


Go along with it. Definitely no hormone therapy though, the majority of youth gender dysphoria incidents do not persist into adulthood.
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davrick
10/14/18 12:01:01 PM
#77:


GreenKnight127 posted...
What do you do? How do you handle this situation?


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argonautweakend
10/14/18 12:03:48 PM
#78:


KrissVector posted...
Go along with it. Definitely no hormone therapy though, the majority of youth gender dysphoria incidents do not persist into adulthood.


This is kinda tricky. A lot of trans people will say they wish they had hormones at an early age, however, i cant blame people for being respectful yet also erring on the side of caution.
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FutiIity
10/14/18 12:09:43 PM
#79:


you cant get hormones until 16 in most cases anyway so its moot

you can usually get on puberty blockers though, and those are totally reversible. although you wouldnt be talking about that at 5 i dont think
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slacker03150
10/14/18 12:29:02 PM
#80:


Cruddy_horse posted...
edededdy posted...
so when did people start taking 5 year olds seriously?


This, and when I was 5 I couldn't even read, what makes someone think a child that age has a firm grasp on a complex topic like sexuality or gender? And no way a 5 year old could be able to say things like in the first post.

I hope some of the people here never have children.

No one is talking about giving the kids hormone replacement therapy at 5, but yes they should be able to explore gender roles.

That said you don't have to be a woman to wear a dress. So if it has been a constant thing until they are 7 or 8 they would be in therapy to see if it is something they are going to want to do maybe start on puberty blockers until they are 13 and can make the decision how they want to proceed with puberty.
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wwinterj25
10/14/18 2:18:00 PM
#81:


Pus_N_Pecans posted...
No you're not, you're just giving them the freedom to dress the way they'd like to. Bathrooms are a point of contention, and I'd probably try to explain to them that they should continue to use the boy's bathroom in public settings, but otherwise, letting your child tell you what they'd like to be called and how they'd like to dress really isn't too radical a concept.


Kids however say stupid shit all the time as you know, they don't understand things. Letting a kid do and say whatever they want will quickly end is disaster. However dressing how they want(within reason) and liking whatever they want is harmless and not a issue.

I mean when growing up I played with my sisters barbie dolls. I don't know why but I had fun dressing them. These days I'd probably be told "it's ok you're a girl and should be one". It's nothing short of brainwashing.

Pus_N_Pecans posted...
Adopted kids often get to choose a new name for themselves, and even non-adopted kids might ask their parents to stop calling them by another name they decide sounds childish. It's not that big of a deal.


On the adoption front the kid normally has a name when they get put into the system although I am aware they do change said name at times to stop said kid being tracked down. Even then I'm sure the kid has no say in the matter. Still until they are old enough to do something about it my hypothetical kid would be called whatever I and the hypothetical OH decide to call it.

Pus_N_Pecans posted...
If they change their mind at age 6, so what? They're a kid, I wouldn't expect them to know who they are yet either way.


There is also no harm is letting them know their genitals dictate what they are and it's ok to like whatever you want without wanting to become trans.
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Revelation34
10/18/18 10:05:02 PM
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I'd tell him to wait until puberty.
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Rozzbane
10/18/18 11:00:09 PM
#83:


Throw him into foster care and try again.
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Johnny Eagle
10/18/18 11:18:19 PM
#84:


First thing I'd do is wonder when the hell I got a child in the first place....
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Zeus
10/18/18 11:42:23 PM
#85:


While I'm at it, I'd probably also tell him that he's not a bear, he's just a silly boy who needs a shave and wears a fur coat. Figure I'd get all my bases covered.
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wolfy42
10/19/18 12:31:09 AM
#86:


Zeus posted...
While I'm at it, I'd probably also tell him that he's not a bear, he's just a silly boy who needs a shave and wears a fur coat. Figure I'd get all my bases covered.


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dioxxys
10/19/18 12:44:07 AM
#87:


Ask him if he'd rather be a unicorn
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GreenKnight127
10/19/18 12:52:52 AM
#88:


dioxxys posted...
Ask him if he'd rather be a unicorn


How dare you assign your child's mythological identity/gender/species/bbq
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wolfy42
10/19/18 12:57:38 AM
#89:


Bbq unicorn??

I want!!
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Zeus
10/19/18 1:51:20 AM
#90:


dioxxys posted...
Ask him if he'd rather be a unicorn


Who wouldn't?!

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Fierce_Deity_08
10/20/18 1:16:52 PM
#91:


Johnny Eagle posted...
First thing I'd do is wonder when the hell I got a child in the first place....


First this, especially if I never got preggers. Then I would go with it, but strongly suggest he become one of those smart girls who dislikes the color pink.
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lihlih
10/20/18 1:39:12 PM
#92:


EnvyFox posted...
I'd begin wondering when the hell did I get a son and start panicking before waking up in a cold sweat. Realizing that being a parent was all just a terrible nightmare, I'll relax knowing that I can still spend my money on more selfish things like video games.


I have a daughter and I spend a shitload of money on video games, anime stuff, etc...

I do make between 90-100k a year though.
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wwinterj25
10/20/18 2:42:47 PM
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Krazy_Kirby
10/20/18 3:39:01 PM
#94:


wolfy42 posted...
Bbq unicorn??

I want!!


so thats why they can't be found anymore
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adramelk44
10/20/18 3:46:50 PM
#95:


I would tell him "OKAY WE WILL START YOU ON HORMONES TO INTERRUPT PUBERTY IMMEDIATELY NBC SAYS ITS OKAY AND WILL HAVE ZERO NEGATIVE REPERCUSSIONS"
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