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Zodd3224 10/20/18 3:19:06 PM #101: |
This whole thread is cleverly disguised bait from TC. He's probably dropped 1,000s of hours into Souls games.
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Romulox28 10/20/18 3:20:41 PM #102: |
Zodd3224 posted...
This whole thread is cleverly disguised bait from TC. He's probably dropped 1,000s of hours into Souls games. Did you miss the topic where he was going to throw out his cell phone because he couldn't figure out how to charge it --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Spiret 10/20/18 3:20:41 PM #103: |
nothing wrong with not liking the game. it is a very specific kind of flavor and it wont appeal to everyone, but not liking a design doesnt mean its bad. most everything in the game is deliberate and appeals to a certain type of gamer. its sense of exploration (which imo is superb) very obviously doesnt mean what it means to you.
its not about going off to that distant landscape or most likely unlocking the next icon on a map. the entire appeal is figuring out how the world and areas work while overcoming the challenges the game puts infront of the player. this is helped by the art, enemy designs, music and overall atmosphere. the world design of the game in general comes off as deceptively linear than it really is. no, its not a traditional open world where you can go anywhere at any point, but the whole thing is designed to where it does feel like its own interconnected thought out world. this is also a long game, based on how long its taking you so far, maybe even an 80+ hour one. its not going to show its hand to you where you are now. imo id atleast get to the first REAL boss and unlock your first shortcut which at that point more options and areas start to open up and you can actually get a grasp on what the game is selling. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_Biscuit 10/20/18 3:22:05 PM #104: |
ultimate reaver posted...
this thread is like someone at the bottom of a well crying out for help and while everyone advises him to climb up he begins digging downwards in an attempt to pop out the other side of the planet to escape And yelling this is fucking horrible well design! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sunhawk 10/20/18 3:22:15 PM #105: |
MabusIncarnate posted...
I wish you would give it more of a chance, you have basically made it through the tutorial on probably the most dull area of the game. As far as your progress, it's essentially the same as playing Fallout or Skyrim for an hour and quitting and saying you hate it, you haven't even touched what the game has to offer. But...the Fallout games are often fun. And usually, getting past the slightly dull bit takes 30 - 60 minutes. I've never understood why games like this start off with an intentionally slightly boring section. What possible purpose could it serve? Usually indoors, even though the point of many games with exploration is to wander around outdoors, in big, open environments. --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 10/20/18 3:22:17 PM #106: |
Romulox28 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...This whole thread is cleverly disguised bait from TC. He's probably dropped 1,000s of hours into Souls games. Let me guess, people tried to explain to him how to charge it, he ignored their advice and tried something else, people raged and called him names, he seemed baffled. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 10/20/18 3:22:35 PM #107: |
Dark Souls isn't about "getting good", it's about trial and error and realizing that the game actually does respect the player a great deal. It respects your ability to beat bosses by reading patterns. It respects your willingness to go off the beaten path. It even provides the tools to help you progress if you just can't do it on your own (the summoning system).
You're getting mad at the game for trying to teach you that it doesn't work like other games, and you're asking us how to make it play like other games. It doesn't. At first it seems like a game with incomprehensible rules until you realize it doesn't actually have any rules. You can approach any situation in a million different ways. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sunhawk 10/20/18 3:22:50 PM #108: |
Zodd3224 posted...
This whole thread is cleverly disguised bait from TC. He's probably dropped 1,000s of hours into Souls games. That made me laugh, I admit. But no, that's not the case. --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 10/20/18 3:23:20 PM #109: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
Dark Souls isn't about "getting good", it's about trial and error and realizing that the game actually does respect the player a great deal. It respects your ability to beat bosses by reading patterns. It respects your willingness to go off the beaten path. It even provides the tools to help you progress if you just can't do it on your own (the summoning system). Read post #101 --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iClockwork 10/20/18 3:27:18 PM #110: |
Lol this dude gave up in the Undead Burg AHAHAHAHA
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Coffeebeanz 10/20/18 3:27:56 PM #111: |
I can understand giving up in Blighttown (especially in the previous generation) but not Undead Burg lol.
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Sunhawk 10/20/18 3:28:28 PM #112: |
I had been pretty bored for several hours. Of course I gave up.
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Zodd3224 10/20/18 3:30:43 PM #113: |
The only acceptable places to give up are Blighttown, Sen's Fortress, or Tomb of the Giants.
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Coffeebeanz 10/20/18 3:31:34 PM #114: |
Zodd3224 posted...
The only acceptable places to give up are Blighttown, Sen's Fortress, or Tomb of the Giants. Or maybe that part in Anor Londo with the archers on the buttress lol. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sunhawk 10/20/18 3:42:57 PM #115: |
Sometimes people don't enjoy games, and stop playing. That's just how gaming is sometimes...you don't have to wait until a hard or annoying part.
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Zodd3224 10/20/18 3:43:42 PM #116: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
Zodd3224 posted...The only acceptable places to give up are Blighttown, Sen's Fortress, or Tomb of the Giants. I actually had more trouble with the Tomb of the Giants and Sen's Fortress fucked me up more than anything my first playthrough. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 10/20/18 3:43:53 PM #117: |
Cool man. Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy a game you didn't actually play.
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BignutzisBack 10/20/18 3:44:29 PM #118: |
iClockwork posted...
Lol this dude gave up in the Undead Burg AHAHAHAHA LOL and he considers himself a classic gamer too --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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juicebox4 10/20/18 4:48:48 PM #119: |
New player advice for you TC:
Start with your gift being the Master Key. Go down into New Londo. Take the elevator right next to the one that brought you down, up into the Valley of Drakes. Cross the bridge into Blighttown. Enjoy. :) --- *Ding dong, bing bong* GABBA GABBA HEY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SlashmanSG 10/20/18 5:05:54 PM #120: |
Sunhawk posted...
Well, I got to Undead Burg. The entrance really was confusing. A lot of people probably wouldn't notice that gap in the aquedact (as I didn't the first several times). Holy shit --- Fight Science with Wood https://imgur.com/MMRZgNi https://imgur.com/Um0p3xx https://imgur.com/MIbbUHB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EbonTitanium 10/20/18 5:16:36 PM #121: |
I stopped play this game too, but that was because of a controller issue.
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ROBANN_88 10/20/18 5:56:09 PM #122: |
i never understood everyones issues with the archers.
they're on a diagonal to you, and your path is straight in the middle, so if you just keep running forward, their giant arrows just miss right behind until you get close enough to hit them. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 10/20/18 6:03:10 PM #123: |
ROBANN_88 posted...
i never understood everyones issues with the archers. They didnt kill me once my first playthrough. Died a bunch to the batwing demons. But yeah archers I ran straight to the one on the right with shield up, R2 smushed him with Zwei. Then did the same to the other one. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeyPuff 10/20/18 6:52:13 PM #124: |
TC, I cant stand you lol read the damn posts and quite whining about it being hard. Has nothing to do with elitism, more about just you not reading peoples posts
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Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 12:45:03 AM #125: |
I never make fun of people who try to play Dark Souls and just can't adjust to the difficulty. That's totally understandable. I make fun of people who keep doing the same stupid shit over and over, and it never works, then they call it bad game design.
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Jabodie 10/21/18 1:35:49 AM #126: |
What happened in Tomb of the Giants again?
I actually quit the game for like a year during the Demon/Hell area when I --- <insert sig here> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 7:10:10 AM #127: |
I started the Switch version yesterday. Got to Undead Burg in 30 minutes and most of the way through it without dying. TC really has no excuse.
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Zodd3224 10/21/18 7:57:08 AM #128: |
Jabodie posted...
What happened in Tomb of the Giants again? Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith was clearly unfinished and Miyazaki has apologized for Bed of Chaos. Its possibly the worst boss in gaming. So awful its actually kind of endearing in a way. Like the movie The Room. https://www.giantbomb.com/forums/dark-souls-6255/dark-souls-design-works-translation-npcs-and-monst-576001/ --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_Biscuit 10/21/18 11:29:32 AM #129: |
I must be weird because I dont hate Bed of Chaos as much as I should.
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Sunhawk 10/21/18 1:18:38 PM #130: |
Alright. Listen.
I decided to give it another try. I thought I'd have another bash at Undead Burg. I must admit, it wasn't too bad an area to play. I ended up spending the majority of my time on the boss, at least an hour, and after gradually getting better and becoming more hopeful, he decided to throw himself off the high up bit of the castle, killing himself. This actually made me anger, because it stole my chance to beat him. I was then onto the next area, although I can't remember the name. I haven't done much of it, but it seems alright. I have slightly softened on this game, especially on "slightly", but that only means it's not longer a very bad game, and merely a bad game. Perhaps people are right. Maybe it is some kind of wonder game. I'm not sure. The combat is quite enjoyable, but the graphics are very repetitive, and finding my way around is still proving to be a bit of a problem. --- It has been 0 days since something interesting happened. Thrill me, chill me, fulfil me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sunhawk 10/21/18 1:27:27 PM #131: |
A bunch of people wanted to criticise me for not liking it, now I've given it another go, not a single person wants to praise me? Welcome to CE, I guess.
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iClockwork 10/21/18 1:49:58 PM #132: |
Why would we praise you for coming around on a decision that was goofy in the first place?
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MC_BatCommander 10/21/18 2:15:06 PM #133: |
Sunhawk posted...
A bunch of people wanted to criticise me for not liking it, now I've given it another go, not a single person wants to praise me? Welcome to CE, I guess. Stop trying to get attention --- The Legend is True! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CapnMuffin 10/21/18 3:03:28 PM #134: |
You waited 9 minutes before berating people for not responding.
So now you must be in the Undead Parish? --- "its okay a lizard ate me and elucidated my fate" - MJ_Max on Dark Souls 3DSFC : 0860-3930-2170 | NNID : CapnMuffin | XBGT : Capn Muffin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ROBANN_88 10/21/18 3:52:56 PM #135: |
though, i kind of have to be a bit on TCs side, but not fully.
when i played, i often got so frustrated with it, that i took a break, and that break ended up being a month long. it took almost 2 years for me to beat it. though, atleast i was aware that it was cause i sucked, not just blaming the gamedesign --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate reaver 10/21/18 3:54:10 PM #136: |
ROBANN_88 posted...
though, i kind of have to be a bit on TCs side, but not fully. i took a big break when i hit blight town, but i didnt embarrass myself publicly in the process --- butts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 8:11:18 PM #137: |
Blighttown on PS3 makes babies weep. I can't fault anyone for quitting there.
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Zodd3224 10/21/18 8:28:30 PM #138: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
Blighttown on PS3 makes babies weep. I can't fault anyone for quitting there. Thats where I quit during my attempt years ago. Was still tough in the remaster, but it was reasonable. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sunhawk 10/22/18 6:19:33 AM #139: |
Well, I'm in Undead Parish, but I haven't made much progress. I'm in this open street with a bunch of people fighting me, to say nothing of a what appears to be a giant armoured rat. This game isn't overly concerned was realism. I'm able to get by most of the enemies, just avoiding them, but can't figure out what to do. I guess I'm meant to go through that giant gate, but don't know how to open it.
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Sunhawk 10/22/18 6:34:55 AM #140: |
I must admit, there are still some pretty basic things I don't understand? What is a hollow? How do I kindle at a bon fire?
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iClockwork 10/22/18 7:37:58 AM #141: |
Sunhawk posted...
I must admit, there are still some pretty basic things I don't understand? What is a hollow? How do I kindle at a bon fire? It's been a while since i've played the games but i've beat them all and was pretty damn good at pvp/ If I remember correctly, being hollow means that you are devoid of humanity. You need to have humanity to summon NPC's or other players as allies or foes. You become hollow if you have died anytime after offering humanity at a bonfire. Being hollow keeps you from interacting with the multiplayer aspect of the game. http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Hollow https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Bonfire https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/FAQ I'd read through these three links. Learning all about how to summon other players to help you out and pvp is what makes Dark Souls so fun. I didn't learn how to do anyo of this stuff for a long time but once I did I was hooked. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 10/22/18 7:51:08 AM #142: |
If you have humanity (the number in the circle next to your HP) you can spend it at a bonfire to make the bonfire stronger (kindling). Then when you rest at one, it gives you more Estus Flasks than a normal bonfire.
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Zodd3224 10/22/18 8:31:56 AM #143: |
Easy way to kill the giant boar:
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CapnMuffin 10/22/18 1:58:44 PM #144: |
Zodd3224 posted...
Easy way to kill the giant boar: Or lure it into one of the burning pyres Human status (when your character looks human and not like a zombie) gives you the ability to summon other players at the risk of being invaded by other players. It also lets you kindle additional Humanity at the bonfire to level it up which grants more healing estus (5, 10, 15, 20) The whispy Humanity items when used add to your humanity tally in the top left of the screen. These are what you spend at bonfires to regain human status or kindle. Keep in mind that you drop those unspent ones with your souls when you die. --- "its okay a lizard ate me and elucidated my fate" - MJ_Max on Dark Souls 3DSFC : 0860-3930-2170 | NNID : CapnMuffin | XBGT : Capn Muffin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ROBANN_88 10/22/18 2:52:33 PM #145: |
iClockwork posted...
Learning all about how to summon other players to help you out and pvp is what makes Dark Souls so fun. I didn't learn how to do anyo of this stuff for a long time but once I did I was hooked. up until Nito, i had never tried to summon, and when i eventually did, all that happened was that the guy just backed out again --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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philsov 10/22/18 3:24:23 PM #146: |
Oh man, when I first played Dark Souls I almost rage quit at Tauros Demon.
He pretty much one shot me and the run to his fog gate was stupid and I burned through all my consumables (lightning imbue weaponry, e.g.) and the game's autosave feature prevented me from getting access to them and blahblahblah. Had a lovely moment of Zen (after much 'git gud scrub' lambasting) wherein Point is, take your time. Look around sometimes. The game throws clues at you. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 10/22/18 9:25:26 PM #147: |
It's always fair, but rewards thinking outside the box.
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Zodd3224 10/22/18 9:28:30 PM #148: |
I beat it my first time without turning human or kindling at all. The true way to play.
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Coffeebeanz 10/22/18 9:30:34 PM #149: |
Zodd3224 posted...
I beat it my first time without turning human or kindling at all. The true way to play. I've gotten all the way through Undead Burg without dying, which is a small victory for me --- Physician [Internal Medicine] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 10/22/18 9:57:32 PM #150: |
Coffeebeanz posted...
Zodd3224 posted...I beat it my first time without turning human or kindling at all. The true way to play. Including the Chapel? Not bad. I actually made it passed the Anor Londo archers without dying once my first time. Shield up and R2 smushed them with Zweihander. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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