Board 8 > Monster Mafia: The Rebootening Topic 4 - Clowns

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Just getting this up so you guys can post. Votals and relevant info will come in a bit.
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Anyway, continuing what I was saying.

Pirate had already said he was quitting/wanting to get out of game because of IRL issues. So its not that far out for me to say he wanted to quit the game.

In any case, plum could you explain your flavour to me exactly? And if you are a character besides just this high priest?

Morning guys. So we have day cop flavor cop prosty and two miller's...

Is there any chance we have a sanity issue in here?

I mean, if we are to believe Chris isn't scum prosty.
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Does anyone else find it as hilarious as me that his argument is that I am scum because I am acting the same...

As I did on the scum board.

You know the place where you are open and honest because you are on the same team?
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Scare that is
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Neablis posted...

Anyway, continuing what I was saying.

Pirate had already said he was quitting/wanting to get out of game because of IRL issues. So its not that far out for me to say he wanted to quit the game.

In any case, plum could you explain your flavour to me exactly? And if you are a character besides just this high priest?

All it says is High Priest with generic flavor about fighting monsters.
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Also, isnt it usually scum prostys that are the variant where the victim isnt told they get up?
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I think...there are to many confirmable roles in the game so far... maybe.

Eh whenever I have played with a scum prosty the victims are never told, town generally are I think? But it could be some strange variant here at play.

In any case I am not sure what to make of you exactly, so I think I understand your stated reason here about ben, protect the mason pair from corruption. Did you never think of protecting chris in that situation?

No. Based on end of day I wasnt sure chris was town. I didnt see any sort of flurry indicating scum was trying to influence the lynch.
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masterplum posted...

Also, isnt it usually scum prostys that are the variant where the victim isnt told they get up?

Is it possible because you got up you weren't there to know you were visited?
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Also, town chris doesnt announce to everyone I am scum because I got up. I would expect him to be much more tactical than that.
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masterplum posted...

No. Based on end of day I wasnt sure chris was town. I didnt see any sort of flurry indicating scum was trying to influence the lynch.

So would your estimation at this point be that (hypothetically) scum decided it would be better to get rid of pirate/let pirate suicide than to get chris lynched? What i'm implying do you have a gut feeling it was scum v scum?

Town
Scare
Benj

Possibly town based on corrik
Sheep

Leaning town
Neab
Han

1/1
Plum
Chris

Neutral
Red
Mzero

Am I missing someone?
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^FD.

And yeah I'm fine with Neab thinking Pirate was calling it quits. I was thinking the same during that time
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Obellisk posted...

Town
Scare
Benj

Possibly town based on corrik
Sheep

Leaning town
Neab
Han

1/1
Plum
Chris

Neutral
Red
Mzero

Am I missing someone?

Yes FD...

Hi.

Plum fumbled his claim too much for me to believe it.

Also, my flavor is Member of the Brotherhood of Cthuhlu and I win with humans, so this whole "Cult" line that Corrik and 8 other people have been on about all game is literally nothing. Just flavor.

FD is still a good lynch after Plum.
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Neablis posted...

masterplum posted...

No. Based on end of day I wasnt sure chris was town. I didnt see any sort of flurry indicating scum was trying to influence the lynch.

So would your estimation at this point be that (hypothetically) scum decided it would be better to get rid of pirate/let pirate suicide than to get chris lynched? What i'm implying do you have a gut feeling it was scum v scum?

Yes
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Hi Han

How did I fumble my claim
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masterplum posted...

Im a fucking cult doctor. I saved Ben last night

masterplum posted...

My flavor is high priest

masterplum posted...

My role says I stop my target from negative actions. I dont know how that works exactly

masterplum posted...

Rereading my pm.

To paraphrase, it says during the night when humans are at their weakest I can pick one player to protect from all harmful non kill actions.

Based on that and the flavor it seemed pretty obvious it was a cult doctor. I am so confused right now.

masterplum posted...

Im not a cult person. I protect people from cults

- claimed doctor
- claimed to be a cultist
- claimed rolestopper
- claimed it was pretty obvious he was cult doctor
- claimed to not be cult, but protect people from cults

The lack of clarity in your claims and the fact that it took 15 posts to land on something is condemning.

Also, it's very clear this 'protect somebody from cult' thing is a 100% hail mary, but Cult is just flavor for some Town members.

Ergo, there is no Town role that protects from the Cult.
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Hans speaking evefything I been thinking. Plum do you see why I'm now having trouble believing my initial town read on you.
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Han, think about it
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Oh yeah and fd I'm leaning scum at the moment. Knew I was missing someone
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masterplum posted...

Han, think about it

this is the worst defense I have ever seen
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You of all people should be able to see through this
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So this is a bit of revisionist history on why I voted for you. I didn't suspect you just because you got up, but because you said that I didn't visit you. But... APPARENTLY people who I visit do indeed not know I visit them.

I wonder if people are going to catch onto the fact that up until yesterday evening I really was pressed for time and all of these 'mistakes' are like, impossible from a scum Chris if you take two steps back. Not exactly being cautious here!

Anyway Plum I am bothered by the fact that you put me in a position to die compared to an idle newbie. Regardless if you thought he was town - as you claim - I don't see the benefit of risking my life in exchange for newbie town's especially when that "newbie town" really looked awful.

At most we are dealing with 3 scum votes that could have influenced the lynch yesterday given Pirate went super MIA or something. The argument that it was scum/scum because those 2-3 remaining scum votes were not overtly naked in their aggression and in unison to murder me is just poor, as scum rarely are so naked. Even last game when the scum team was stacked you had scum on the other side of my lynch.
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Obviously scum believed Corrik's claim since he is dead, so let's work this through.

Scum is let's say... Plum, FD, and Han for the sake of argument.

So Plum is already trying to vote for me, and when Corrik dies night 1 Pirate day 2 is completely toast for his claim when you factor in Prosty + Cop has flipped and he claimed cop in a really silly way. So then town has the insight that this was town/scum in nature but Han broke and voted for me. So that of the remaining 3 scum 2 were on me (or tried to be, god bless igcd's vote counting ability) and one was idle at end of day entering night 2.

My lynch then would have been: two confirmed town masons, sheep (who we now know was scanned innocent by corrik most likely, and if scum believed him heading into night 1 they likely knew sheep was the innocent scan as soon as he gave that strong hint as they would be looking for it) and then scum plum and scum han.

It's a really awful move to move against me there when the other lynch is so juicy and obvious unless you are using confirmation bias (hi Ben)

So no, this wasn't scum/scum, this was scum either being not around (fd/mzero) or cautious. Or the comedy option is that Sheep is godfather and Sheep/Plum were trying their best to murder me and this argument is super sad.
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Plum is scum. The claim was absolutely botched and I know "cult" are town which basically makes it invalid.

Red is probably Town. Still not entirely sure on Chris, since the other two on his lynch are also basically confirmed Town. Definitely feeling better though. Nobody really tried to kill him yesterday, either. Except, yanno, sort of Plum. Who also made a similar vote a few D1s ago as scum to save a scummate. Pirate was probably expendable to scum generally anyway, so chances he was bussed are pretty high, so that's not the most damning thing on Plum's record People have already said enough about the votals yesterday and I don't think there's much more I have to add.

Flavour Cop is basically Cop in this game considering scum are monsters. Did Neab claim fully? We need that today. I'd like a massclaim since most of the game has claimed at this point. Only really Red, FD and MZero left, I think? I feel fine about Red but there's probably one scum in the other two.

##Vote: Plum
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

So this is a bit of revisionist history on why I voted for you. I didn't suspect you just because you got up, but because you said that I didn't visit you. But... APPARENTLY people who I visit do indeed not know I visit them.

I wonder if people are going to catch onto the fact that up until yesterday evening I really was pressed for time and all of these 'mistakes' are like, impossible from a scum Chris if you take two steps back. Not exactly being cautious here!

Anyway Plum I am bothered by the fact that you put me in a position to die compared to an idle newbie. Regardless if you thought he was town - as you claim - I don't see the benefit of risking my life in exchange for newbie town's especially when that "newbie town" really looked awful.

At most we are dealing with 3 scum votes that could have influenced the lynch yesterday given Pirate went super MIA or something. The argument that it was scum/scum because those 2-3 remaining scum votes were not overtly naked in their aggression and in unison to murder me is just poor, as scum rarely are so naked. Even last game when the scum team was stacked you had scum on the other side of my lynch.

Not plum obviously but I think there is a logical reason to suspect you at this point Chris for a few reasons that we can discuss if you want to. But I do agree that the votes themselves being "naked" is not a good argument.

masterplum posted...

You of all people should be able to see through this

I do see through it.

The word "cult" has been tossed around all game and Sheep actually came out and claimed that he was Cult Leader, which Neab confirmed, but that it's not a "Cult" in the traditional mafia sense.

I am also Cult in flavor, but I win with humans. So that tells me that Cult is indeed, just flavor.

Your claim changed from Doctor (with Cult flavor) to protecting people from Cult. You aren't protecting people from Cult. That's 100% a lie.

You are Scum.

*edgeworth bow*
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Neablis I appreciate you because you have a complete lack of knowledge of scum Chris first hand and I'd love to discuss them with you. Build your case on me, young man.
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Neab is actually 47.
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Eh nothing there really confirms it couldn't have been scum/scum. And in a scum/scum situation you are clearly the one worth saving.

But you knew plum got up so it isn't worth going down that rabbit hole atm. The correct play is to believe you and suspect plum.

Now if plum is "doctor"/rolestopper/cultrecruitsaver then it confirms and/or alerts us to the cult existing, but based on how bungled the claim was that scenario isn't worth wasting brainpower on until plum's autopsy.
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Oh...

um...

Can he be my cute kouhai if he is so much older than me? gosh...
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Hey FD, you're getting lynched tomorrow.
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I started that post in response Chris post #26.

But then everyone and their mother posted before I was done.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Eh nothing there really confirms it couldn't have been scum/scum. And in a scum/scum situation you are clearly the one worth saving.

But you knew plum got up so it isn't worth going down that rabbit hole atm. The correct play is to believe you and suspect plum.

Now if plum is "doctor"/rolestopper/cultrecruitsaver then it confirms and/or alerts us to the cult existing, but based on how bungled the claim was that scenario isn't worth wasting brainpower on until plum's autopsy.

Whose the scum saving me in the scum/scum scenario?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey FD, you're getting lynched tomorrow.

Eh. That would not be a productive lynch as I am in fact a human(s)
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too bad it's gonna happen
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FD, would you like to claim today or do you need another day to make sure you don't make a similar mistake to Plum?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Neablis I appreciate you because you have a complete lack of knowledge of scum Chris first hand and I'd love to discuss them with you. Build your case on me, young man.

Nah I don't think you are scum, I just think there is enough doubt to have suspicion on you. and mostly it just from things that can be described from setup to mafia wifom at this point, Pirate not voting you and basically suiciding, could be described as a newb mafia play trying to take you out and making a mistake.

mafia not killing you/not a good argument btw. Mafia not roleblocking you and letting you get a check off is a bit odd unless they don't have a RB. But thats just wifom at this point and if they believe you or not.

Overall I am still slightly suspicious but its not enough to consider for today, plus I do not know if I am being a bit....overly suspicious of you because I do not know your scum game.

In either case I do not know if I even believe my suspicions so nothing probably to discuss.

Han
I am 47?!?

Redirector is a legitimate replacement for RB in a game this small
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Sheep007 posted...

FD, would you like to claim today or do you need another day to make sure you don't make a similar mistake to Plum?

I mean when I need to claim I'll just use my actual flavor(s) and role(s) so I'll be alright.

Thank you for your concern.
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Yes, you told me in our Miller Mason chat last night.
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##Vote: FD
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Sheep007 posted...

Redirector is a legitimate replacement for RB in a game this small

eh I suppose, this is one of the first games i've had a redirector in a game this small to start with. So balance wise I just have to ask and look silly.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hi.

Plum fumbled his claim too much for me to believe it.

Also, my flavor is Member of the Brotherhood of Cthuhlu and I win with humans, so this whole "Cult" line that Corrik and 8 other people have been on about all game is literally nothing. Just flavor.

FD is still a good lynch after Plum.

When will town learn to listen to this man?

Also Chris brought it up but plum was insistant he didn't get up at first and later claimed her targeted Ben. Add that to the fumbles before he settled on a claim. Lynch all liars!
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Han why are you voting me.

Shouldn't your han gut have fixed itself by now? Or is it just going to be wrong all day?
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MZero, your cadence this game feels very awkward.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Han why are you voting me.

Shouldn't your han gut have fixed itself by now? Or is it just going to be wrong all day?

Because I want you to claim now because I don't think you have a claim ready.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, your cadence this game feels very awkward.

That's cause every time I've posted pretty much I've been ignored. I think this might actually be the first post addressing me directly!

Like last topic I was talking about Plums flavor and the very next post some asked if plum claimed flavor. It's like everyone has me on ignore
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