Poll of the Day > Starting Daredevil season 3 right now!

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AllstarSniper32
10/20/18 4:53:24 PM
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After I'm done with this season I'll most likely start Iron Fist season 2.
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Mead
10/20/18 4:54:33 PM
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Ohhhhh Shucky Ducky!

Probably gonna start it later today
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Greenfox111
10/20/18 4:58:17 PM
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I wish they had a more interesting villain than just the same regular fat guy for the 2nd time
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Mead
10/20/18 4:58:45 PM
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Greenfox111 posted...
I wish they had a more interesting villain than just the same regular fat guy for the 2nd time


Kingpin is one of the very best Marvel villains
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AllstarSniper32
10/20/18 4:59:45 PM
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I forgot how much I loved Elektra.
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wolfy42
10/20/18 5:05:11 PM
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I'm about halfway through, it's pretty good, but not season 1 good. I'm thinking more like season 2, but way better then the IF/LC crap at least.

I'm enjoying it, just don't like the new villian (but luckily he's not a major part so far).
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Zeus
10/20/18 5:24:37 PM
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Finished binging it at like 8am or 9am this morning finally. It was a huge step up from season 2 which was mostly just a backdoor pilot for a Punisher show and to bring in Elektra who they'd been planning to give her own show eventually as well.

Just with everything else, Defenders ruins part of the show. We see a *little* of the reaction to the s2 ending cliffhanger in a flashback, but it's quickly brushed over and it devotes maybe a line or two that retroactively sets up his involvement in The Defenders (and, later on, the show has exactly *one* Defenders reference and then one mention of Jessica Jones)

On the plus side, the ending is an okay endcap for the series... which it might be because Disney has already canceled IF & LC, with JJ and DD probably going that same route eventually.

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Zeus posted...
Overall, DD3 was a lot better than DD2 although it was nowhere near as fun as DD1 and was pretty dark for most of it. Some of the twists were pretty obvious (Fisk having himself shanked) whereas others I hadn't suspected (Fisk having Nadeem's sister-in-law's health insurance cancel her coverage to put her in debt -- which, given that it happened before the events of the show take place while Fisk was still sitting in prison, I didn't even consider).

And, unlike DD1 which had an incredible ending -- possibly my favorite of the MCU shows -- DD3's was a little all over the place and had some out-of-character nonsense (the biggest of which being Fisk agreeing to all of Daredevil's demands in exchange for keeping Vanessa safe and free). However, from the second I realized that it was Julie killed in that hallway -- at first I thought it might have been Betsy because it was hard to get a good look at her -- Bullseye flipping on Kingpin like just a matter of time.

Ranking the shows, would probably say:
DD1 > IF1 > DD3 > Punisher > JJ1 = JJ2 > DD2 > IF2 = LC2 > LC1 >>>> Defenders


In addition to my comments above, I should just mention that episode 10 has a stupidly long flashback that seemingly serves no purpose other than filler. I don't think they devoted that long to *Fisk's* background in season 1 and that was actually important because his father's murder is repeatedly referenced throughout the show and was a major plot point in season 1.

Oh, plus iirc even BULLSEYE gets a shorter flashback than Karen. wtf? Plus the Bullseye flashbacks are handled better because they're "watched" from Fisk's POV

Greenfox111 posted...
I wish they had a more interesting villain than just the same regular fat guy for the 2nd time


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wolfy42 posted...
I'm enjoying it, just don't like the new villian (but luckily he's not a major part so far).


He's fucking awesome once he puts on the Daredevil costume, especially when he just starts throwing shit like crazy after Matt is beating him up and his shots keep rebounding
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AllstarSniper32
10/20/18 7:00:43 PM
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Why did it make me laugh so much when she called him "Foggy Bear" XD XD XD
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JixHedgehog
10/20/18 7:03:34 PM
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Episode 1 - so far so good

btw Luke just got canceled
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Zeus
10/20/18 8:10:54 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
btw Luke just got canceled


Mentioned that in my post =p
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wolfy42
10/21/18 1:26:11 AM
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Just got past the part with the daredevil outfit...so yeah...getting better.

Liking it over all, yeah maybe better then 2 at this point. The have not...so far...been using fisk enough, or giving him enough "freedom" but I'm hoping that will change soon. Still think he rocks.

Also, the entire season so far at least is dark and depressing. The others were a bit, but there was some humor and fun in there too (Avacado's at law etc). This is ...like Dark knight level of dark.....again at least so far, on episode 7 I think right now...might be at the start of 8.
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 2:05:01 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
The have not...so far...been using fisk enough,

He's in the show, therefore he's been in it too much. I dislike him.
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Zeus
10/21/18 2:40:26 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Just got past the part with the daredevil outfit...so yeah...getting better.

Liking it over all, yeah maybe better then 2 at this point. The have not...so far...been using fisk enough, or giving him enough "freedom" but I'm hoping that will change soon. Still think he rocks.

Also, the entire season so far at least is dark and depressing. The others were a bit, but there was some humor and fun in there too (Avacado's at law etc). This is ...like Dark knight level of dark.....again at least so far, on episode 7 I think right now...might be at the start of 8.


If you're only on episode 7 or 8, the show is still going to get darker. Granted, the events of episode 6 were shocking, particularly since it evoked memories of the Charlie Hebdo attack

Last episode gets back into goofy, though.

AllstarSniper32 posted...
wolfy42 posted...
The have not...so far...been using fisk enough,

He's in the show, therefore he's been in it too much. I dislike him.


Fisk is what makes the show great.
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wolfy42
10/21/18 3:11:21 AM
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Woot really can't wait for some goofy, seriously, dark stuff going on here.

Think in fact that is a large part of what has been missing in all the other shows as well, it's like the writers all got seriously depressed and decided to put it into the shows or something.

I mean, i get it, Season 1 of JJ wasn't really light either (though pretty sure there was some laughs in there), but DD season 1 and 2 still had some light times.

Feels like after DD season 2 all the joy went out of the writers and all the fun was discarded.

I like my hero shows with a little bit of fun and humor added in every so often to lighten up the mood and keep things from just being depressing. It seems like EVERY hero show is depressing lately, it's why I stopped watching arrow/flash etc, they were like seriously getting me down. At least the new spiderman had humor in it...although now that I think of it the last avengers was pretty freaking dark as well.
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Mario_VS_DK
10/21/18 3:51:30 AM
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Season 3 is out? Man, gonna need to watch that later. Are the other Netflix Marvel shows required to watch it first?
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Zeus
10/21/18 4:14:53 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
I mean, i get it, Season 1 of JJ wasn't really light either (though pretty sure there was some laughs in there)


Considering the backstory, it was pretty damn dark. After all, Purple Man raped Jess for a year and used his mind control to force her to murder Luke's ex -- and again, that was just BEFORE the show starts. You also have the girl who Purple Man does the same thing to before forcing her to kill her parents -- and stand trial for it -- and ultimately she kills herself so she can't be used as a bargaining chip. Multiple people become unwilling organ donors for Purple Man. Jeri hires Purple Man to kill her wife, with her new girlfriend winding up killing the wife instead and going to prison for it. And there's like a million other fucked up things Purple Man did. Honestly, DD3 and JJ1 are kinda on par in many ways
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 5:45:45 AM
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Zeus posted...
Fisk is what makes the show great.

Nah, and not sure why you'd put that if someone says they don't like a character. For me, he's a terrible part of the show.
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Zeus
10/21/18 5:52:10 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
not sure why you'd put that if someone says they don't like a character.


Because it doesn't make it any less true.
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SilverClock
10/21/18 6:01:24 AM
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I just got done binging it a couple hours ago. Better than season 2 for sure. Season 1...idk. Been a while since I've seen it. But I did enjoy season 3 quite a bit. I also thoroughly enjoyed Fisk. I loved the actor on CSI and I enjoyed his performance in Daredevil.

wolfy42 posted...
I like my hero shows with a little bit of fun and humor added in every so often to lighten up the mood and keep things from just being depressing. It seems like EVERY hero show is depressing lately, it's why I stopped watching arrow/flash etc, they were like seriously getting me down. At least the new spiderman had humor in it...although now that I think of it the last avengers was pretty freaking dark as well.

Totally get what you're saying. I would've liked some lighter moments, for sure.
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IronicFool
10/21/18 2:56:47 PM
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SilverClock posted...
I loved the actor on CSI and I enjoyed his performance in Daredevil.


Honestly, I was thinking he might be the best actor in the show. He just does so well as like a barely contained angry manipulator.
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IronicFool
10/21/18 2:57:47 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Zeus posted...
Fisk is what makes the show great.

Nah, and not sure why you'd put that if someone says they don't like a character. For me, he's a terrible part of the show.

Why?
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 3:43:38 PM
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IronicFool posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Zeus posted...
Fisk is what makes the show great.

Nah, and not sure why you'd put that if someone says they don't like a character. For me, he's a terrible part of the show.

Why?

Read my post you quoted again, I already answered why.
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IronicFool
10/21/18 3:48:37 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
After I'm done with this season I'll most likely start Iron Fist season 2.

AllstarSniper32 posted...
I forgot how much I loved Elektra.

AllstarSniper32 posted...
Why did it make me laugh so much when she called him "Foggy Bear" XD XD XD

AllstarSniper32 posted...
wolfy42 posted...
The have not...so far...been using fisk enough,

He's in the show, therefore he's been in it too much. I dislike him.

AllstarSniper32 posted...
Zeus posted...
Fisk is what makes the show great.

Nah, and not sure why you'd put that if someone says they don't like a character. For me, he's a terrible part of the show.

Uhhh.....I'm asking why you dislike him, not that you dislike him. I read all your posts and you just say you don't like the character.
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 3:54:26 PM
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IronicFool posted...
Uhhh.....I'm asking why you dislike him, not that you dislike him.

Then maybe you should have put that instead of just "why?" so that the person knows exactly what you're wanting to know.

I don't like mob characters and I dislike thinking that someone like Fisk can just manipulate people and gain power in his situation. When he's doing his manipulations it grinds my gears, thus, I don't like him.
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IronicFool
10/21/18 4:02:41 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Then maybe you should have put that instead of just "why?" so that the person knows exactly what you're wanting to know.

Was...was that not clear? How does "Why?" not make it clear that I'm asking why you don't like him rather than...that you don't like him? I'm honestly not sure how else to interpret this.
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 4:04:42 PM
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Oooo, I really like that Sister Maggie reveal!
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IronicFool
10/21/18 4:08:53 PM
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IronicFool posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Zeus posted...
Fisk is what makes the show great.

Nah, and not sure why you'd put that if someone says they don't like a character. For me, he's a terrible part of the show.

Why?

Did you think that I was asking why for why you aren't sure they'd put that if someone says they don't like a character? I guess I can get that, and I could've just quoted that he's a terrible part of the show for you. But if I quoted the whole post, why would you assume I meant the first sentence rather than the last? Like you said, if it was only the first part the question would answer itself.
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 4:26:58 PM
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That's great! I'd love to see a boxer have nothing but nuns in his corner XD

Chastity XD XD XD
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IronicFool
10/21/18 4:28:53 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
That's great! I'd love to see a boxer have nothing but nuns in his corner XD

Chastity XD XD XD

She hadn't taken her vows yet though. Which they admittedly revealed later.
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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 5:13:32 PM
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This FBI dude got played way too hard.

I do wonder what Fisk has over his boss though.
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Greenfox111
10/21/18 5:33:55 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
XD XD XD XD XD XD XD

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AllstarSniper32
10/21/18 5:41:17 PM
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"I don't know how you keep that suit so white with all the bullshit you pack into it."

:D :D That was a great line!
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AllstarSniper32
10/22/18 1:04:24 AM
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I was liking Nadema's (Nedema?) wife, but man, it kinda bugs me when someone is married to an FBI agent and are all, "you lied to me" I mean come on now, you can't think that being married to someone in the FBI means they're going to be able to tell you things about their work.

"Oh yeah honey, today at work, I found out I was played by Fisk and now I work for him. I also saw my boss murder someone and like half the FBI forces are working for Fisk cause he has things on them."

Come on now.
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Zeus
10/22/18 2:20:11 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
I don't like mob characters and I dislike thinking that someone like Fisk can just manipulate people and gain power in his situation. When he's doing his manipulations it grinds my gears, thus, I don't like him.


His manipulations are logical, though. The only kinda flimsy one was Dex, although he was mentally unstable and in search of a parent figure so his tactics *kinda* made sense... and laid the seeds for Dex turning on him

AllstarSniper32 posted...
This FBI dude got played way too hard.

I do wonder what Fisk has over his boss though.


iirc, Nadeem asks her and she responds that she used to have two children, before adding that Fisk's men made it look like an accident. A similar thing was done in the Lethal Weapon tv series where it turns out that Murtaugh's wife was killed to get at her dad, using her death to make him more fearful for his remaining kids
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AllstarSniper32
10/22/18 4:01:59 AM
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Zeus posted...
His manipulations are logical, though. The only kinda flimsy one was Dex, although he was mentally unstable and in search of a parent figure so his tactics *kinda* made sense... and laid the seeds for Dex turning on him

Eh, his was the one that makes most sense. Cause he's unstable and was basically a killer already when he was a kid. He's also the only FBI person that seems to want to be there and part of it. I just can't believe the agents would have this thing held over them yet not try to get out of it.

Zeus posted...
iirc, Nadeem asks her and she responds that she used to have two children, before adding that Fisk's men made it look like an accident

Oh, yeah, you're right. I remember that part in the elevator. Right after the meeting and they are practically treating him like he's Voldemort. "We don't even say his name."
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Zeus
10/22/18 4:34:50 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Eh, his was the one that makes most sense. Cause he's unstable and was basically a killer already when he was a kid. He's also the only FBI person that seems to want to be there and part of it. I just can't believe the agents would have this thing held over them yet not try to get out of it.


Really? That one makes sense? Not how he got an insurance company to deny Agent Nadeem's sister-in-law's medical coverage to make him vulnerable to bribery? Because that both seems more logical and clever. He saw a potential pressure point and he found a way to exploit it. Granted, that plan went a little sideways but framing Nadeem for murder was also a clever ploy and, as soon as they walked in there, I realized it had to be a set-up
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AllstarSniper32
10/22/18 5:23:44 AM
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Zeus posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Eh, his was the one that makes most sense. Cause he's unstable and was basically a killer already when he was a kid. He's also the only FBI person that seems to want to be there and part of it. I just can't believe the agents would have this thing held over them yet not try to get out of it.

Really? That one makes sense? Not how he got an insurance company to deny Agent Nadeem's sister-in-law's medical coverage to make him vulnerable to bribery? Because that both seems more logical and clever. He saw a potential pressure point and he found a way to exploit it. Granted, that plan went a little sideways but framing Nadeem for murder was also a clever ploy and, as soon as they walked in there, I realized it had to be a set-up

How can it not? It makes more sense to manipulate someone who has a chance of actually willfully doing things for you than to have people against it.

I'm not trying to say the others aren't clever.
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JixHedgehog
10/22/18 5:32:36 AM
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Zeus posted...
JixHedgehog posted...
btw Luke just got canceled


Mentioned that in my post =p


*squints eyes*

Yep you did, my apologies
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AllstarSniper32
10/22/18 5:40:05 AM
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Vanessa really intrigues me. I want to know her backstory. Why she's alright with the things Fisk does and why she fits into the role of basically being a queen so easily.
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AllstarSniper32
10/22/18 6:06:34 AM
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I really like Daredevil getting into Bullseye's head. Is he supposed to be Bullseye? I'm not sure but I'm calling him that anyways. I always thought the Julie thing was weird. I thought Fisk just threatened her like he tends to do.
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IronicFool
10/22/18 1:50:32 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
I really like Daredevil getting into Bullseye's head. Is he supposed to be Bullseye? I'm not sure but I'm calling him that anyways. I always thought the Julie thing was weird. I thought Fisk just threatened her like he tends to do.

That's definitely Bullseye, Ben Poindexter was his name in the comics. But yeah, the Julie bit was weird, and once Fisk had her killed I saw the final scene coming. Too obvious.
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wolfy42
10/22/18 3:10:05 PM
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Still not likeing Bullseye tbh, but have about 3 episodes left. Like Fisk, he rocks, but I feel like they are painting themselves into a corner.
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Zeus
10/22/18 3:14:24 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Zeus posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Eh, his was the one that makes most sense. Cause he's unstable and was basically a killer already when he was a kid. He's also the only FBI person that seems to want to be there and part of it. I just can't believe the agents would have this thing held over them yet not try to get out of it.

Really? That one makes sense? Not how he got an insurance company to deny Agent Nadeem's sister-in-law's medical coverage to make him vulnerable to bribery? Because that both seems more logical and clever. He saw a potential pressure point and he found a way to exploit it. Granted, that plan went a little sideways but framing Nadeem for murder was also a clever ploy and, as soon as they walked in there, I realized it had to be a set-up

How can it not? It makes more sense to manipulate someone who has a chance of actually willfully doing things for you than to have people against it.

I'm not trying to say the others aren't clever.


Things like blackmail and extortion are pretty reliable ways of manipulating people into doing stuff for you. Relying on somebody who's unhinged is going to be riskier, something that they acknowledge many times throughout the show.

AllstarSniper32 posted...
Vanessa really intrigues me. I want to know her backstory. Why she's alright with the things Fisk does and why she fits into the role of basically being a queen so easily.


Her character development always felt a little flaky. She gets into it a little too quickly early on. She's also far less tactical than Fisk and weirdly overconfident.
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