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butthole666
10/22/18 11:52:31 PM
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Last gen is alarmingly prone to hardware failures and it seems like it could one day be pretty difficult to play these games; because of how recent they are they already exist in a sort of nostalgia limbo where theyre seen as disposable and replaceable
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DarthAragorn
10/22/18 11:53:14 PM
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Emulators
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hotcegaI
10/22/18 11:53:38 PM
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360 is screwed
ps3 can be emulated i think so just buy the games
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Zikten
10/22/18 11:53:43 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Emulators

this. emulation is the key to ultimately preserving old games
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DarkTransient
10/22/18 11:53:47 PM
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I dunno about X360, but later models of PS3 are fairly reliable.
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DarthAragorn
10/22/18 11:54:26 PM
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hotcegaI posted...
360 is screwed
ps3 can be emulated i think so just buy the games

360 should be easier to emulate, just less demand
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butthole666
10/22/18 11:59:46 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
I dunno about X360, but later models of PS3 are fairly reliable.

My slim has a doinked disc drive and im pretty sure the gpu is getting ready to head out to pasture

hotcegaI posted...
360 is screwed
ps3 can be emulated i think so just buy the games

Wouldnt 360 be easier to emulate because its MS?
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littlebro07
10/23/18 12:00:10 AM
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Most of the games worth getting on 360 are BC on X1 at least
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DarkTransient
10/23/18 12:02:02 AM
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butthole666 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
I dunno about X360, but later models of PS3 are fairly reliable.

My slim has a doinked disc drive and im pretty sure the gpu is getting ready to head out to pasture

hotcegaI posted...
360 is screwed
ps3 can be emulated i think so just buy the games

Wouldnt 360 be easier to emulate because its MS?


X360 is probably easier, but PS3 has had more effort so far (outside of MS's own emulator on the XB1).
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butthole666
10/23/18 12:02:06 AM
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littlebro07 posted...
Most of the games worth getting on 360 are BC on X1 at least

Doesnt it do a really good job at it too? It seems akin to running an older PC game on a newer machine, rather than a halfass upscaling
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kingdrake2
10/23/18 12:03:50 AM
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butthole666 posted...
littlebro07 posted...
Most of the games worth getting on 360 are BC on X1 at least

Doesnt it do a really good job at it too? It seems akin to running an older PC game on a newer machine, rather than a halfass upscaling


if one of my ps3 systems ever crap out i'm going to more than likely search on ebay or amazon to get another used or new console. we're not even done with the ps3 generation yet. lots of games.
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Rikiaz
10/23/18 12:04:06 AM
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butthole666 posted...
littlebro07 posted...
Most of the games worth getting on 360 are BC on X1 at least

Doesnt it do a really good job at it too? It seems akin to running an older PC game on a newer machine, rather than a halfass upscaling

Yeah it's pretty great. Oblivion actually runs quite a bit better on X1.
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AvantgardeAClue
10/23/18 12:04:31 AM
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butthole666 posted...
littlebro07 posted...
Most of the games worth getting on 360 are BC on X1 at least

Doesnt it do a really good job at it too? It seems akin to running an older PC game on a newer machine, rather than a halfass upscaling


Yep, many 360 games look better on One and that doesn't count the One X Enhanced 360 games.

There's nothing half-assed about the One emulation whatsoever
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 12:04:54 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
I dunno about X360, but later models of PS3 are fairly reliable.


My PS3 Slim model is still running fine, but it isn't strong to handle demanding games which is a side effect of them downgrading the system's power.
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DezDroppedFreak
10/23/18 12:05:55 AM
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My fat ps3 is a decade old and still chugging along
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DarkTransient
10/23/18 12:06:53 AM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
My fat ps3 is a decade old and still chugging along


Early model or later? Apparently even later phats aren't too bad, though I personally wouldn't risk it and I'd just get a slim or superslim if I was to get a second PS3. (My existing one is a superslim.)
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 12:08:37 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
My fat ps3 is a decade old and still chugging along


Early model or later? Apparently even later phats aren't too bad, though I personally wouldn't risk it and I'd just get a slim or superslim if I was to get a second PS3. (My existing one is a superslim.)


He just needs to apply Arctic Silver every once in a while, and replace the Bluray Drive. Though I heard the Bluray Drive replacements tend not to play PS3 games for some odd reason.
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littlebro07
10/23/18 12:11:04 AM
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butthole666 posted...
littlebro07 posted...
Most of the games worth getting on 360 are BC on X1 at least

Doesnt it do a really good job at it too? It seems akin to running an older PC game on a newer machine, rather than a halfass upscaling


Yeah. I've seen a bunch of comparison videos and the X1 runs most games at slightly higher (or more steady) frame rates and higher resolutions. It had a bit of a rocky start with some games (Halo Reach was fucking horrible but now runs great) but they've been knocking it out of the park the past year or two.
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DezDroppedFreak
10/23/18 12:12:31 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
My fat ps3 is a decade old and still chugging along


Early model or later? Apparently even later phats aren't too bad, though I personally wouldn't risk it and I'd just get a slim or superslim if I was to get a second PS3. (My existing one is a superslim.)


Its the 2008 Uncharted bundle. I forget what model that is
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 12:14:23 AM
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Always look for the code of the model, and it will tell whether that version is reliable or not.

Some revisions can be better than others.
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butthole666
10/23/18 1:01:49 AM
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Which PS3s are worth getting?

RDR looks like steaming poop on my slim, the bloom that hid the hideous harsh look of early HD graphics is just straight up gone, so all the jaggies and poor textures and pop in are laid bare for the eye to see.
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butthole666
10/23/18 1:03:14 AM
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Side note are PS2 emulators legal if Im playing the actual disc that I own?
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Rikiaz
10/23/18 1:04:54 AM
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butthole666 posted...
Side note are PS2 emulators legal if Im playing the actual disc that I own?

Emulators are always legal. Roms are where it gets questionable.
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 1:06:13 AM
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butthole666 posted...
Side note are PS2 emulators legal if Im playing the actual disc that I own?


Emulators have a legal precedent, so you're fine but some still see it as a grey area.

If you have the actual disc then you're good to go, it is honestly the only other way than playing on a Fat PS3 (or through PSN Classics official built-in emulators) to get better resolution now.
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Darmik
10/23/18 1:10:26 AM
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The list of 360 games that aren't supported on Xbox One or on PC would have to be pretty low at this point.

No idea about PS3 though. Same with PSP and Vita.
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butthole666
10/23/18 2:05:33 AM
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Yeah, Im thinking about rebuilding my PS2 collection and just using a laptop hooked up to my TV in that case. Especially with all the hardware limitations and potential failures (Im looking at you, memory cards), it seems a lot better and safer for the save data as well as the discs.
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butthole666
10/23/18 2:06:05 AM
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Im also really interested in an X1X for BC
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DarkTransient
10/23/18 2:06:51 AM
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butthole666 posted...
Side note are PS2 emulators legal if Im playing the actual disc that I own?


The problem here is the BIOS. You could sort that out 100% legally by ripping the BIOS from an actual PS2 that you own, but doing that is beyond most people's abilities. Unless there's an open-source replacement BIOS or something now, I dunno, haven't kept up with the PS2 emulation scene in a while.

But aside from that, it's 100% legal as long as you're using your own actual discs (or ISO images ripped from your own actual discs that you still possess).
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butthole666
10/23/18 2:13:07 AM
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I dont know what that means

At any rate, digging out the CRT is cool every now and then, but isnt practical.

On topic tho the fate of the PS3 is really interesting. Last gen as a whole also had a huge fovus, obviously, on online gaming, which no emulator would be able to bring back. Itll be interesting to see if smaller dedicated communitjes pop up around those games.
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Galcian
10/23/18 2:25:58 AM
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Zikten posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Emulators

this. emulation is the key to ultimately preserving old games

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AvantgardeAClue
10/23/18 9:53:19 AM
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butthole666 posted...
Im also really interested in an X1X for BC


I've rebuilt most of my 7th/8th gen collection on my X1X and it feels DAMN good

Plus consider that most of the BC titles are typically pretty cheap and can be had for only a few bucks either physically or in-store digitally
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butthole666
10/23/18 10:52:38 AM
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If taco bell hadnt given me food poisoning last week Id be trying to win the Taco Bell x1x lol
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Zikten
10/23/18 11:18:51 AM
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butthole666 posted...
on online gaming, which no emulator would be able to bring back

are you sure? I mean I get that it might be impossible right now. but what about like 20 years from now?
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butthole666
10/23/18 11:41:25 AM
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Zikten posted...
butthole666 posted...
on online gaming, which no emulator would be able to bring back

are you sure? I mean I get that it might be impossible right now. but what about like 20 years from now?

I mean it cant emulate an active community
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SpiralDrift
10/23/18 11:53:20 AM
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The original Xbox is going to be one of the hardest to find working in another 10 years or so. There's a capacitor on 6/7 models that's guaranteed to leak and corrode the traces on the motherboard if it's not removed. Every single system that has that capacitor will fail. Lots of systems are already dying and it's just going to get worse over time.

With the PS3 and 360 there are a lot of failures but most of the ones that were going to fail have already done so, and the later models fixed the problems.
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butthole666
10/23/18 11:57:41 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
The original Xbox is going to be one of the hardest to find working in another 10 years or so. There's a capacitor on 6/7 models that's guaranteed to leak and corrode the traces on the motherboard if it's not removed. Every single system that has that capacitor will fail. Lots of systems are already dying and it's just going to get worse over time.

With the PS3 and 360 there are a lot of failures but most of the ones that were going to fail have already done so, and the later models fixed the problems.

Couldnt it just be replaced with a higher quality cap?
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ArchiePeck
10/23/18 12:00:47 PM
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It's a fundamental rule of engineering that anything with moving parts will eventually break down. Modern consoles have a LOT of crucial moving parts - drive motors, laser heads, hard drive components, internal cooling...
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SpiralDrift
10/23/18 12:01:11 PM
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butthole666 posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
The original Xbox is going to be one of the hardest to find working in another 10 years or so. There's a capacitor on 6/7 models that's guaranteed to leak and corrode the traces on the motherboard if it's not removed. Every single system that has that capacitor will fail. Lots of systems are already dying and it's just going to get worse over time.

With the PS3 and 360 there are a lot of failures but most of the ones that were going to fail have already done so, and the later models fixed the problems.

Couldnt it just be replaced with a higher quality cap?

You can just rip it out actually. It's not that important.
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ArchiePeck
10/23/18 12:07:50 PM
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butthole666 posted...
I dont know what that means


The emulator requires a copy of Sony's bios (basically, the basic instructions inside the system of how the components interact and their priority rules etc) in order to work. This, unlike the emulator code itself, is copyrighted material and not freely obtainable. If copyright law is an issue to you, the only legal way you could obtain a digital copy of it would be dump the contents from your own PS2 through a logic analyser - which is not realistically a practical option.
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NeuralLaxative
10/23/18 12:11:58 PM
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butthole666 posted...
If taco bell hadnt given me food poisoning last week Id be trying to win the Taco Bell x1x lol


I mostly want it just for the taco bell gong on start up
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Zikten
10/23/18 12:17:54 PM
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butthole666 posted...
I mean it cant emulate an active community

what I mean is they could emulate the PSN on private servers.
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butthole666
10/23/18 1:37:13 PM
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Oh I know that, isntvthat basically how former gamespy stuff runs now?
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 8:39:36 PM
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People have created private or public servers for old PS2 games, I think even .hack//Fragment has one floating around somewhere and a few other games.
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CapnMuffin
10/23/18 8:41:32 PM
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Theres a lot of PS3 games I missed out on. :(
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 8:43:56 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
Theres a lot of PS3 games I missed out on. :(


If we're lucky most of the popular ones will get over to PS4, it seems like the PS4 is much more easier to work with compared to the PS3 system according to Devs.

We already got a chunk of them ported so far.

I hate the fact though that Bethesda refuses to port New Vegas and FO3, you're better off just getting the computer versions for those now.
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CapnMuffin
10/23/18 8:48:01 PM
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Kaliesto posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Theres a lot of PS3 games I missed out on. :(


If we're lucky most of the popular ones will get over to PS4, it seems like the PS4 is much more easier to work with compared to the PS3 system according to Devs.

We already got a chunk of them ported so far.

I hate the fact though that Bethesda refuses to port New Vegas and FO3, you're better off just getting the computer versions for those now.

I want to play MGS4, Nier, and Demons Souls in particular. I dont think they will ever be ported or remastered. But one can hope.
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Kaliesto
10/23/18 9:45:17 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
Kaliesto posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
Theres a lot of PS3 games I missed out on. :(


If we're lucky most of the popular ones will get over to PS4, it seems like the PS4 is much more easier to work with compared to the PS3 system according to Devs.

We already got a chunk of them ported so far.

I hate the fact though that Bethesda refuses to port New Vegas and FO3, you're better off just getting the computer versions for those now.

I want to play MGS4, Nier, and Demons Souls in particular. I dont think they will ever be ported or remastered. But one can hope.


Supposedly some kind of Metal Gear Collection was being rated for PS4 or so the rumor went.
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butthole666
10/25/18 11:35:56 PM
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Up
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shokan_warrior
10/28/18 12:38:25 AM
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I have a lot of ps3 games i need to get to playing
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