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NFL Draft Order
1. Chiefs
2. Wildcats
3. Bengals
4. Pioneers
5. Pumpkins
6. Browns
7. Vikings
8. Bills
9. Buccaneers
10. 49ers
11. Patriots
12. Hawks
13. Bears
14. Lions
15. Ravens
16. Redskins
17. Panthers
18. Lightning
19. Colts
20. Raiders
21. Falcons
22. Seahawks
23. Titans
24. Steelers
25. Packers
26. Giants
27. Dolphins
28. Jets
29. Jaguars
30. Rams
31. Broncos
32. Cowboys

Bills own the Dolphins 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
Broncos own the Rams 1st and 3rd
Chiefs own the Panthers 2nd and 4th, Patriots 6th, Steelers 6th
Dolphins own the 49ers 1st and 3rd, Colts 1st, Titans 1st, Wildcats 2nd and 3rd, Bills 2nd and 3rd, Bears 2nd, Chiefs 4th
49ers own the Lightning 1st, Steelers 1st, Dolphins 5th
Panthers own the Patriots 1st
Patriots own the Chiefs 7th, Panthers 7th
Steelers own the 49ers 2nd, Lions 3rd, Wildcats 4th
Titans own the Broncos 1st and 3rd, Dolphins 7th
Wildcats own the Bills 4th, Dolphins 6th
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Will the friday be like, after 5 est as per usual? It's usually sat/sun that are earlier right?
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KCF0107 posted...

Rounds 1 and 2 are on the first day and is in the evening. Rounds 3 and 4 are on the second day and begins in the afternoon. Rounds 5 through 7 are the final day and also occur in the afternoon. Please note that I live in the eastern time zone and refer to the time of days using my time zone.

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Oh, sorry. I've had a hell of a week man I'm so friggin tired
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Giants/Colts trade is official
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I still fully intend on adding in draft prospects later tonight. I have been way too busy the past 36 hours to commit more time to the renaming process.
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Are my mock draft bros gonna continue on with me again this year?
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I'll be doing one when KCF is finished up yeah

I guess technically could start now since we have the Top 10 even if not all the positions

You guys never get my first pick right
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I might give the first round a go this year
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I mean last year we got a pretty decent read on you.

You had 2 1st round picks. 2 predicted the wrong player but right position in the first pick, I predicted wrong completely but then said in my immediate edit I messed up and thought you take a Guard (which you did) but I couldn't be bothered to revise my picks for other people to compensate

Your second 1st round pick 2 out 3 got the correct player and position

It's pretty hard to get the exact right player when we don't know the order past the first 10 and the further you get into the draft, the harder it becomes to know what has been taken. So for picking 2 so far down in the round, we did pretty damn well tbh!

Looks like in the 2012 draft, they both predicted right position for you too. 1 got the correct player too

2013 I think was a google doc rather than sheet so I cant fine easily on my phone to see how they predicted it

Nah I didn't mean like literally right now, just wanted to make sure we were at some point
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I will be doing one again yes. Have my google doc with the first round all ready to go even. And if I get called into jury duty on Wednesday I'll have plenty of time to work on it too. -__-

And yeah, getting the exact player right can be tricky too since we just go with the best available at a position but sometimes a team will pick a player at the right position but the "2nd best" available at that particular position. AI Teams do this a ton.

I think the reason that AI teams do that is because you can scout players and it gives you feedback which you can equate to a certain attribute being in a set range. So that's why AI likely sometimes make great reaches.

Obviously for KCF to do scouting for us it would be ridiculously time consuming and a ton of added work for him so we just draft blind without the added phrases tipping us off if a player is good or bad at a certain aspect of his position.

I'm still open to trading one of the 19th and 23rd selections. It seems unlikely that I will trade both, but you never know. I'm looking for two seconds or a 1st next season. Due to my pick situation, it will have to be slightly more complicated than that, but that would be the basic framework.
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I've got my eye on a couple players at 13 but if they end up getting taken I may be interested in moving down. I'd probably be looking at acquiring a 2nd round pick and/or a player. So if you're going to be around during draft time keep that in mind.

Looks like another strong CB class and weak WR class. Wonder if we're going to start to see a shift in WR/CB ratings soon. Feel like we haven't had a good safety class in awhile either.

A lack of first round OLB talent has many teams panicking I'm sure. Looks like there's some good depth in the 2nd and 3rd rounds though. MLB has some high end talent but not the depth.

Overall not exactly impressive to me but it could end up lining up nicely for what I would like to do in the first couple rounds so fingers crossed!
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We had good safety classes nearly every season in the draft import era!
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MysteriousStan posted...

I've got my eye on a couple players at 13

Bah, this threw me off for a sec. I still associate you with the Titans.

Garoppolo seems like the obvious choice at #1, but I can't rule out Barrett. I desperately need someone opposite Jamie Collins at LB. And i would love the novelty of drafting the top prospect in two straight drafts. Hope i don't overthink this.
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KCF0107 posted...

We had good safety classes nearly every season in the draft import era!

Feels like so long ago though! But I think this is only the second or third draft without imports, can't remember

Ranlom posted...

MysteriousStan posted...

I've got my eye on a couple players at 13

Bah, this threw me off for a sec. I still associate you with the Titans.

Garoppolo seems like the obvious choice at #1, but I can't rule out Barrett. I desperately need someone opposite Jamie Collins at LB. And i would love the novelty of drafting the top prospect in two straight drafts. Hope i don't overthink this.

Oh I remember being in this position before. Pretty much this exact position even except it was a DE instead of an OLB. Can't remember what position the QB was in but it was Top 5 as well.

Ranlom posted...

MysteriousStan posted...

I've got my eye on a couple players at 13

Bah, this threw me off for a sec. I still associate you with the Titans.

Garoppolo seems like the obvious choice at #1, but I can't rule out Barrett. I desperately need someone opposite Jamie Collins at LB. And i would love the novelty of drafting the top prospect in two straight drafts. Hope i don't overthink this.

I mean do you need a QB and do you have the right offensive weapons to help him develop is what determines if you should grab Jimmy G or look somewhere else.
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Keep in mind that people signed as the 1 pick also get a 7 year contract so if you get a QB and he comes out at like 83-85 and doesn't develop, you will be lumbered with a monstrous contract by the end of it.

But if you really need a QB, the last few years of high picked QBs at least make for very good reading

6 years, not 7
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I mean really there's 4 options I'd say.

Draft a QB to be your starter and get an OLB deeper in draft
Draft an OLB to be your starter and grab a QB in FA
Trade back for a starter plus a 1st if you can (I think there's enough positions in the 1st that could start for you)
Trade even further back (or completely out) for multiple starters

KCF probably could offer you better advice than me but if I were in your boots I think I'd be inclined to trade as you need starters at multiple positions and I'm not sure even a superstar at number 1 turns things around for you (or rather not as quick as trading for more starters). Whereas if you can get a bonafide starter plus a later 1st or like 2 starters plus a 2nd or 3rd then that might outweight what a high pick would do.

I would throw in that I have never picked high enough to be in that dilemma though and when I had the 9th pick last year I traded out for 2 starters.

I still don't have a set time for rounds 1 + 2. If I go out to eat with friends or family, it is usually Friday night, but expect it at this moment to start anywhere from 7:30 to 9:00 PM ET on Friday.
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KCF0107 posted...

NFL Draft Rules

1. When it is your time to pick, post your selection in the spreadsheet

2. 5 minute pick limit, which starts when I say something along the lines of "X team is on the clock"

3. If no pick has been made after 5 minutes, I will select the player for you

4. If a user is not present at the time they are on the clock, they will be auto-drafted via rule #3 until they notify me

5. I have full veto/approval authority over trades involving draft picks during the draft and unless you attend the live draft at any point, all trades involving draft picks must be submitted at least 72 hours prior to the start of the draft.

It came to my attention during that a recent conversation that people might have glossed over the NFL Draft rules. As people have become increasingly aware of over the seasons, running this league and the way that I do it takes a lot of time and energy. While plenty of it comes down to mind-numbingly tedious tasks (ugh stat PMs and anything contract related), some of it is quite vigorous.

There might not be a more strenuous task than running the NFL Draft for me given all the teams I draft for myself, instructions given to me, having to keep up with AI selections that I sometimes have to manually find out, constantly updating the draft board, and checking the 100-150 renamed players that I have to make sure things go smoothly due to not being able to officially rename until they are under contract or enter the free agent pool.

Last season had an absurd amount of trades occur within 72 hours of the first round kicking off, and by the time I got everything situated, I had no desire to run the draft. I was so emotionally drained. I felt I had to do a little something to prevent burnout, and I thought the time limit for draft pick trades was fair as draft pick trades during the live draft are still allowed.

I have a different ideology and approach when it comes to the draft (and really everything B8NFLL in general) than everyone else, so while I understand that me being late to adding in the LB and DB prospects could have had an affect on some people, I don't think that the draft board should be the primary reason for trades at this point . But as I said, I'm aware of my different thought processes, so I'm willing to compromise and make it a 48 hour deadline for this season, which gives everyone until 9 PM ET on Wednesday to propose trades using draft picks for this season if one, multiple, or all parties involved do not intend on attending the live draft on the day or days of the involved picks.
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Wow, this is a great chance for people to trade with the Bills before the deadline for the amazing Justin Tucker (Kicker, 83 OVR, really young). The Bills are willing to part with him for extremely cheap. Just shoot us a PM!

MysteriousStan posted...

Oh I remember being in this position before. Pretty much this exact position even except it was a DE instead of an OLB. Can't remember what position the QB was in but it was Top 5 as well.

Who did you end up taking?

I mean do you need a QB and do you have the right offensive weapons to help him develop is what determines if you should grab Jimmy G or look somewhere else.

It's funny because i need a QB to develop my offensive weapons. Dez Bryant would be an All-Pro on any other team.

you will be lumbered with a monstrous contract by the end of it.

Looking at guys like Cousins and Bridgewater, contracts for top 10 QBs aren't as expensive as i thought they would be. I was expecting something more like Vince Young lol. But that is definitely a possibility.

But if you really need a QB, the last few years of high picked QBs at least make for very good reading

Yeah i can't think of a recent top 10 QB that hasn't been moderately successful. Of course that could also mean we're due for an epic bust...
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theawesomestevr posted...

Wow, this is a great chance for people to trade with the Bills before the deadline for the amazing Justin Tucker (Kicker, 83 OVR, really young). The Bills are willing to part with him for extremely cheap. Just shoot us a PM!

I'll give you one of Andrew Sendejo's game-worn jockstraps.
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Trade to announce

Lions Receive
OLB Junior Galette (77 - 27yo)

Steelers Receive
DT Karl Klugg (79 - 27yo)

Both are rated the same in relation to their position. Lions get a better starting OLB. Steelers fill their DT hole and get 1m in cap space. They also create a hole at OLB but getting an OLB in draft is more flexible than DT given projections

Lions confirm
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Ranlom posted...

Who did you end up taking?

I took the QB, Kirby Freeman. Outside of a couple years he hasn't been all that good. Had I remained with the Titans I was actually going to consider trying to trade him or possibly not even resigning him. He manged to reach 90 OVR after his rookie year but over the years, and especially last year, it became clear to me that the Titans' skill position players (always had two 90 OVR WR and a high 80's HB) elevated Freeman's play rather than the other way around. I sacrificed several offensive players to make the defense better and then with Fitzgerald injured last year, Freeman simply couldn't overcome those losses. Had the defense not balled out in the middle of the season the Titans would not have made the playoffs. Maybe with a healthy Fitz they'll do better this year but we'll have to wait and see.

As for the DE I passed up, that was Brick Massey who entered the league as a 90 OVR. I recently asked KCF how he had been doing and he told me he has low sack numbers but seems to be more of a run-stuffer anyway. He's had a solid enough career.

With all that said, I have no idea what's the right move. Drafting Garoppolo doesn't necessarily mean he'll elevate the play of your other guys like Bryant. Or he could be the next Tannehill. Really no way of knowing as every draft is different. I suppose my advice would be this, and I have no idea if this is right or not, but when you have a bad team like the Chiefs or Titans that continually struggle, pick a side of the ball and commit to it. Try and make that side of the ball better and supplement the other side of the ball when available. Hopefully the side you start focusing on plays better and then you can start focusing on the other side. That's what I was trying to do with the Titans anyway.

Lions/Steelers trade is official
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Sent in round 1 & 2 draft strategy in case I can't make it
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My work xmas party is tomorrow. Undecided on if I'm going but I probably will so likely won't be able to make it. If I do it will be the very tail end of the draft

Can you get your mock stuff pm'd to me before then so I can plug it in to our sheet? I haven't done mine yet so I won't open it until I've gotten mine set
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I am so excited to see who you guys get wrong for the Bills!

I'm shooting for an 8:30 PM ET start, but please don't murder me if it ends up being closer to 9.
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theawesomestevr posted...

I am so excited to see who you guys get wrong for the Bills!

I guarantee my pick for the Bills is 100% correct.

That would be a B8NFLL first.

Shattered's mock draft!

Pick 1 - Chiefs

The Chiefs are in need of starting caliber talent at a lot of positions. Without even looking at who is aging on their roster they look to be below league average at OT, G, LOLB, CB and a lower end MLB/DT tandem. The Chiefs need a lot of help across the board and I firmly believe they would be better trading back here given they could do so and still snag 1st round talent at a lot of those positions.

I know they expressed an interest in drafting a QB and there certainly has been some shiny 1st round QB's in recent years but given the caliber of QB available in Free Agency and their needs elsewhere, I personally would not draft a QB here. With the O-line they have, they are potentially setting him up for failure and with 2 pricey QB contracts already on the books, they may be better waiting until next year where they will likely get a high pick again.

Trading back is their best bet, OLB Shaquil Barrett is their best bet if they stand firm. However, I think they roll the dice on QB Jimmy Garoppolo and hope he changes their fortunes.

Pick 2 - Wildcats

The Wildcats will be hoping that the Chiefs opt not to go with OLB Shaquill Barrett as he would be a perfect fit on a team that needs severe help at the position. Possibly even to the point where they reach down for the next best OLB if Shaquill Barrett isn't there.

The other top end picks just don't quite fit as well. The Wildcats already have a high flying offense and don't really need the services of a WR or HB. Whilst an OT would still potentially be an improvement, it isn't a high end need as they are serviceable there. They drafted a DE high last season and whilst they lack a superstar there, they certainly have depth and it isn't an aging position. They traded for a DT and could create a formidable DT combo but it doesn't offer the same improvement as an OLB.

They could potentially take a CB if Shaquill isn't there but given the depth of talent at CB this year, they'd be better trading down to do so. Which may also be the case for the next best OLB.

Either way I think they take OLB Shaquill Barrett as he should still be there

Pick 3 - Bengals

This is a potential wildcard with it being a new user. However we haven't heard from him this offseason (nor does he really reply to me on messenger either) so this will likely be a KCF pick. OT, DT and CB are all possibles but given the age and ratings of their existing DT's, I think that DT Mike Daniels makes the most sense. He'd instantly slot in as their best DT probably and after drafting Brockers high last season I believe, they would potentially be set at DT for a very long time.

Pick 4 - Pioneers

The Pioneers not only have a hole at CB but also very likely have the weakest CB crop of the league as of right now so it would make sense for them to take one of the Top 10 available CBs. With 2 in that bunch I've just flipping a coin and saying they take CB Trumaine Johnson

Pick 5 - Pumpkins

The Pumpkins are a tricky one as they have no obvious need at any of the positions available listed in the top 10. On the whole they are also a relatively young team too. They do have a hole at CB so with no confidence at all, I'm guessing they go there to potentially create one of the better CB groups in the league. CB Darius Slay

Pick 6 - Browns

It seems like for years we have been saying the Browns need help on the O-line and they still lack a top end guy at that position so taking an OT is a possibility. However OT looks very deep this year and with a Top 10 WR sitting right there and lacking a true elite WR they would be better taking DeAndre Hopkins

Pick 7 - Vikings

The Vikings already shored up their O-line via trades this offseason but it may still make sense for them to take an OT. They do also have a hole at HB and with Courtney Lewis aging (I think) that also remains a possibility. They could also look a little further down the board and take a CB in a position where they aren't that strong.

I wish I paid more attention to how the AI treats holes versus positions of weakness. I think they opt to take HB Giovanni Bernard rather than reach down for a CB.

Pick 8 - Bills

The Bills would actually benefit from Bernard dropping if he's still there given the age of their starting HB but alas I have the Vikings taking him 1 spot above. I know they also wanted an elite WR but with Hopkins off the board, I'm not sure they reach down for Marvin Jones. So with multiple holes at DE and an aging starter, I think they take DE Chandler Jones.

Pick 9 - Buccaneers

I don't think KCF has heard from Chris so this will likely be a KCF pick so I'd like to think KCF will get them a starter and likely at a hole. The OT's on the board are good value but not a hole. The Buc's have 3 holes at CB and a hole at MLB with any person drafted very likely to instantly become their best available option at the position. The tricky part is I have no idea which is further down the board, the nearest MLB or the nearest CB. Given there's 3 CB's I'm inclined to think it will be a CB rather than MLB but KCF could also play it by numbers in a deep CB draft and opt to draft those in later rounds knowing a late round MLB might not be there.

This is a dilemma. Despite the CB likely being higher, I'm going to say he takes MLB Alec Ogletree with the view to taking CB's in like the 2nd and 3rd (although CB > CB > MLB is also possible)

Pick 10 - Dolphins

Originally I had the 49ers taking a WR here before being informed I hadn't taken into account traded picks. So with the Dolphins owning this pick and them having a hole at OT plus expecting departures in RFA next year I think they take the chance to restock at OT with the falling pick of OT Taylor Lewan

Pick 11 - Panthers

Originally I had the Patriots taking an OLB here and despite what was said in chat, I still think the Panthers take that same guy even if it's a little bit of a reach. The alternative would be a WR but that is also possibly the same reach. OLB Hau'oli Kikaha. I know Emerald has mentioned wanting a WR so it's also possible he takes Marvin Jones here.

Pick 12 - Hawks

At some point someone has to take an OT and without knowing how old the Hawks OT's are, I'm not sure they are that team. However, the only other possibility I see for them is CB or QB and they have a ton of CB's on the roster. I'd guess Rivers is aging so we'll go with QB A.J. McCarron without any confidence whatsoever.

Pick 13 - Bears

Before the above revisions I was debating whether or not the Bears reach for a WR or DT here and if they didn't then do they take a CB. However, with those revisions it freed up WR Marvin Jones here who is likely the most attractive option available to them so I'll peg them in for him.

Pick 14 - Lions

I think there's 2 possible options here. The Lions could snag a CB to help shore up the secondary, something they already did via RFA. They could also use a pick here on a DE where they aren't great and also lack depth. I think the pick at DE makes a little more sense but it could come down to who is higher on the board. Let's say DE Melvin Ingram

Pick 15 - Ravens

The Ravens are under AI control this season and are already a pretty solid team. I think the position that stands out most is DE where they would likely find a starter so we will go with the other DE on the board Whitney Mercilus. Although I wouldn't rule out the AI taking the value pick of a falling OT.

Pick 16 - Redskins

With holes at CB and QB either could be a possibility. Or again they could take advantage of a value pick from a falling OT with what I believe is an aging O-line. However, we will go with the CB A.J. Bouye

Pick 17 - Panthers

Panthers are up for their second pick of the round. OLB and WR were discussed earlier so they could take the one remaining however it would be a stretch. The other option I see is that they have a starting OT possibly on the verge of retirement and no heir apparent on the roster. So a falling OT Greg Robinson may not be the flashiest of picks but could have the most long term benefit. Whilst it's possible they take an OT earlier, I would think Emerald can see via his own mock that OTs are going to be available. So it's entirely possible he waits until later to grab one too

Pick 18 - 49ers

The board state at this point is likely to be full of OT's, CB's, HB's and then possibly like a DT or G or K or QB or something. Scare already has a monstrous and young O-line so we can rule out OT. Whilst DT would possibly give a boost in OVR it would involve a flip to 4-3 which had poor results for Scare in the past. So that likely leaves a HB to develop a year behind Tatum Bell before he likely retires or a CB who would slot straight into the starting line-up. I'm not sure if Scare wants to harbor an extra CB or cut one so drafting the next in line to Tatum Bell to develop for a year and hit the ground far higher rated makes a lot of sense. So lets go with HB Devonta Freeman

Pick 19 - Dolphins

The Dolphins are up again and I wouldn't put it past them to actually draft another OT given they usually stock their O-line deep. DT would be another possibility given whether they start 3-4 or 4-3 they are utilizing an 81 and a 1st round DT will likely come in or around that rating and could face a significant bump after the first season. They also have another pick coming up so they might just take whoever is higher out of the OT and DT.

Lets say DT for now as I know Dolphins have tried to trade out of one of those picks. DT Fletcher Cox

Pick 20 - Raiders

The Raiders have 2 holes ta OT and there's a litany of OT's on the board. I'm going to try not to overthink this and say they take OT Morgan Moses. Although if a QB has dropped maybe they take their chances with that too

Getting tired so these might start getting shorter

Pick 21 - Falcon

Not too sure on this one. Could be a CB or HB I guess. With Lonta Hobbs aging, I'll peg them as taking HB Mike Gillislee

Pick 22 - Seahawks

Another new user who may or may not turn up (I'll remind him) leaving it to KCF to draft. The team actually looks pretty solid all around and the only position I see starting is CB alongside an already strong CB 1/2. CB Robert Alford

Pick 23 - Dolphins

The Dolphins are up again if they don't trade out of the pick. Already discussed earlier, if they keep this pick then they possibly double dip at OT in the 1st round. OT Luke Joeckel

Pick 24 - 49ers

The 49ers are up for the second time this round and given that they took a HB earlier, lets go with the other option that was mentioned of DT Nick Fairley

Pick 25 - Packers

The Packers seemingly let some key pieces go this offseason and I don't see the offensive options on the board to replace them. A CB would be a likely starter for them though and might be the next best option to improve an already decent defense. Although reaching for WR Keenan Allen remains an option too now that I relook at thing.

Pick 26 - Giants

The Giants are one of the teams in the league that actually could use the OT's available that everyone else is ignoring. However, they also have a need at CB and given how many OT's they have seen overlooked they may want to take a chance there instead. CB Kyle Fuller probably makes more sense than an OT given how many OT's are available plus FA.

Pick 27 - Bills

The Bills are up again and now I relook at their roster, they probably take an OLB with their earlier pick and pick up a DE here but no way am I revising everything for that possibility (Emerald would take a WR Marvin Jones, Stan takes a CB probably in that scenario) when I'm already tired as hell. I'd have them taking the future replacement for Benson if there was a HB on the board. So Let's just say they reach for an OLB here and I'll take the hit on a very likely bad pick. OLB Shaq Thompson. Reaching for a DT and cutting someone for cap space is also a possibility.

Pick 28 - Jets

CB Bene Benwikere

Pick 29 - Jaguars

I am clueless as to what they do with this pick given their roster strength and lack of holes. I guess technically they could take a QB but that seems a waste given their starting QB. Let's go with CB Logan Ryan given the age and contract of CB3 Tracy Porter. Would make him cuttable/tradable and without a cap hit.

Pick 30 - Broncos

Aging QB and a hole at the position. Let's give them QB Jameis Winston

Pick 31 - Titans

Really weak at the position and there's something on the board so we will go with DT Kawann Short although I wouldn't be surprised if they take an OT

Pick 32 - Cowboys

They don't have an obvious need at any position and even if they fill their hole with a 1st, it will likely be bench fodder. Best available OT Jake Matthews

I don't want to ruin it, but I don't think AJ Bouye is getting picked at both 16 an 22. Maybe you were getting tired in those later picks.
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Yeah, that's what I get for doing it all in one go rather than chunks. Just been busy at work all week. Given the number of CBs available I can just bump everyone down one or change the 22 pick. Lemme see what would be available and adjust

I'm borrowing a laptop for the weekend, so i hope to make it for the end of the draft as usual. Good luck tonight, everyone.
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As typical cant make the live draft but sent my draft list in
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