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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:44:37 PM
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If someone commits a crime and is sentenced to prison, is it wrong to force them to work as well?
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Antifar
11/07/18 11:45:21 PM
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Yes
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shnangyboos
11/07/18 11:45:53 PM
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If someone is profiting from it.
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boxington
11/07/18 11:45:57 PM
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Antifar posted...
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Lost_All_Senses
11/07/18 11:46:38 PM
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You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:46:57 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
If someone is profiting from it.

Lets just say the prison is government run, not for profit
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Funkydog
11/07/18 11:47:25 PM
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What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:47:34 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was

Your username is relevant. Nobody asked this.
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Lost_All_Senses
11/07/18 11:48:38 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was

Your username is relevant. Nobody asked this.


How does over explaining something make my name relevant?
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:48:59 PM
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Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:49:39 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was

Your username is relevant. Nobody asked this.


How does over explaining something make my name relevant?

Your username is still relevant
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Lost_All_Senses
11/07/18 11:51:09 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was

Your username is relevant. Nobody asked this.


How does over explaining something make my name relevant?

Your username is still relevant


Well so is yours. Cause you sir are being pretty rude.
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andel
11/07/18 11:52:11 PM
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shnangyboos posted...
If someone is profiting from it.


this basically. forcing then to work to improve their living conditions or make things for themselves to use is fine but not if someone else profits, that is slavery
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Schwarber
11/07/18 11:52:39 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written


Oh, do tell. Which "ammendments" are those?
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Pitlord_Special
11/07/18 11:52:42 PM
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Forcing as in violence or withholding the necessities of life if they don't do work is wrong.

but having them work for perks/rewards or time off their sentence is fine.
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:54:43 PM
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Schwarber posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written


Oh, do tell. Which "ammendments" are those?

13th amendment? I just did a quick google search so you should have as well
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:56:05 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was

Your username is relevant. Nobody asked this.


How does over explaining something make my name relevant?

Your username is still relevant


Well so is yours. Cause you sir are being pretty rude.

If you still cant see (due to your lost senses), its you making false accusations.
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Funkydog
11/07/18 11:56:15 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written

Couldn't care less about whatever amendments America has. Slavery is wrong full stop and we shouldn't deviate from that.
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Rika_Furude
11/07/18 11:59:38 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written

Couldn't care less about whatever amendments America has. Slavery is wrong full stop and we shouldn't deviate from that.

Why is it wrong in the context of punishing criminals?
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eggcorn
11/08/18 12:04:52 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written

Couldn't care less about whatever amendments America has. Slavery is wrong full stop and we shouldn't deviate from that.

How is punishment for crime comparable to slavery?
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Rika_Furude
11/08/18 12:09:51 AM
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eggcorn posted...
Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
What often amounts to slavery is wrong, yes.

I mean yeah, its slavery. But there is an exception made for criminals if you read the ammendments or wherever it was written

Couldn't care less about whatever amendments America has. Slavery is wrong full stop and we shouldn't deviate from that.

How is punishment for crime comparable to slavery?

What?
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Smashingpmkns
11/08/18 12:13:52 AM
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Doing shit like laundry or something communal is fair. But doing hard labor for the state or for someone's profit is wrong imo. That is slavery.
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Funkydog
11/08/18 12:20:11 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Why is it wrong in the context of punishing criminals?

They are still people at the end of the day. Forced labour is just a means to get it done cheaply or free, not to teach them better work ethic of provide a skill to help them afterwards.
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Rika_Furude
11/08/18 12:23:01 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why is it wrong in the context of punishing criminals?

They are still people at the end of the day. Forced labour is just a means to get it done cheaply or free, not to teach them better work ethic of provide a skill to help them afterwards.

I mean, by that logic they shouldnt get any punishment, because they are still people. People dont get locked away in prison cells.
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Rika_Furude
11/08/18 12:23:51 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Doing shit like laundry or something communal is fair. But doing hard labor for the state or for someone's profit is wrong imo. That is slavery.

Slavery is any forced labour. Even doing laundry would be slavery.
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Paragon21XX
11/08/18 12:24:19 AM
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You don't work, you don't eat.
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gunplagirl
11/08/18 12:25:11 AM
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Professor_Kanjo posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
You asking was it wrong to start arresting black people over petty crimes after slavery ended as a way to continue slavery? Yes...yes it was


Shhh dont tell the left that they will call people like Kanye the UT word

Urinary tract?
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Garioshi
11/08/18 12:25:41 AM
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Slavery is slavery, no matter how you slice it.
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Funkydog
11/08/18 12:28:53 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why is it wrong in the context of punishing criminals?

They are still people at the end of the day. Forced labour is just a means to get it done cheaply or free, not to teach them better work ethic of provide a skill to help them afterwards.

I mean, by that logic they shouldnt get any punishment, because they are still people. People dont get locked away in prison cells.

People do get locked away. Dehumanizing them doesn't change reality or help us work on solving the issues of why people do these horrible things. And yes, ideally prison should be about reform over punishment.

But if you are going to do the latter at least make it humane and not just a way to get cheap labour.
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Rika_Furude
11/08/18 12:30:24 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why is it wrong in the context of punishing criminals?

They are still people at the end of the day. Forced labour is just a means to get it done cheaply or free, not to teach them better work ethic of provide a skill to help them afterwards.

I mean, by that logic they shouldnt get any punishment, because they are still people. People dont get locked away in prison cells.

People do get locked away. Dehumanizing them doesn't change reality or help us work on solving the issues of why people do these horrible things. And yes, ideally prison should be about reform over punishment.

But if you are going to do the latter at least make it humane and not just a way to get cheap labour.

Making them do work isnt nescessarily dehumanising. And again, its as a punishment for a crime, not for profit in this scenario.
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Funkydog
11/08/18 12:35:00 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Making them do work isnt nescessarily dehumanising. And again, its as a punishment for a crime, not for profit in this scenario.

Okay? Did you read what I said?
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Rika_Furude
11/08/18 12:35:47 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Making them do work isnt nescessarily dehumanising. And again, its as a punishment for a crime, not for profit in this scenario.

Okay? Did you read what I said?

Yes? Why would you think i didnt? I was quite clearly responding to your argument that its dehumanising.
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Funkydog
11/08/18 12:45:55 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Making them do work isnt nescessarily dehumanising. And again, its as a punishment for a crime, not for profit in this scenario.

Okay? Did you read what I said?

Yes? Why would you think i didnt? I was quite clearly responding to your argument that its dehumanising.

Try reading again then.
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Bad_Mojo
11/08/18 12:47:11 AM
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Antifar posted...
Yes


But I think the inmates should be able to choose to work for better benefits
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Bad_Mojo
11/08/18 12:51:15 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU" data-time="


But thanks to Reaganomics, prisons turned to profits
Cause free labor is the cornerstone of US economics
Cause slavery was abolished, unless you are in prison
You think I am bullshitting, then read the 13th Amendment
Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits
That's why they giving drug offenders time in double digits

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kingdrake2
11/08/18 1:21:01 AM
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Spooking posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
You don't work, you don't eat.

This. It's costing tax payers $80,000 a year to house one inmate, so the least they could do is work the bare minimum. It also builds character.

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TiamatLover
11/08/18 1:22:34 AM
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If someone is convicted of a crime, they don't deserve any rights.

If something isn't severe enough to warrant that (eg. cannabis offences), it shouldn't be a crime in the first place.
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gunplagirl
11/08/18 1:43:56 AM
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You do realize that "laundry duty" means cleaning and folding hundreds of prisoner uniforms, bed sheets and other stuff over the course of no less than an 8 hour shift, it's not just "do a few loads of laundry and fold them up" it's "do a few dozen loads in industrial washers and dryers plus you have to use industrial grade cleaners in the process so there's a medical risk involved even with proper handling of the materials"
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 1:44:29 AM
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kind of yea
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Bad_Mojo
11/08/18 2:17:45 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
You do realize that "laundry duty" means cleaning and folding hundreds of prisoner uniforms, bed sheets and other stuff over the course of no less than an 8 hour shift, it's not just "do a few loads of laundry and fold them up" it's "do a few dozen loads in industrial washers and dryers plus you have to use industrial grade cleaners in the process so there's a medical risk involved even with proper handling of the materials"


But the people that do those are mostly people that want to do that. They volunteer because a lot of people in prison want shit to do and the people that do those jobs get perks from other inmates. It's the same with the people that work in the kitchens. A lot of them want to be in there.

That's the "chore" part of what the person was talking about
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 2:20:41 AM
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being a prisoner that is good still means you get to fear for your life every fucking second of your life
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eggcorn
11/08/18 2:28:22 AM
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It's weird that the same type of people that say talk shit get hit can't grasp the concept of if you can't do the time don't do the crime. Working in prison is not comparable to slavery and you people are out of touch with reality anway because in most cases prisoners want to work.
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 2:33:30 AM
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eggcorn posted...
It's weird that the same type of people that say talk shit get hit can't grasp the concept of if you can't do the time don't do the crime. Working in prison is not comparable to slavery and you people are out of touch with reality anway because in most cases prisoners want to work.

they are people that can't even grasp the concept of them ever doing wrong
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 2:35:05 AM
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you're protected by a layer
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LyraTheUnicorn
11/08/18 2:42:18 AM
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Devil_Katt_II
11/08/18 3:05:57 AM
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LyraTheUnicorn posted...
Don't got the time, don't do the crime.

Devil_Katt_II posted...
you're protected by a layer
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