Current Events > Why was Justice League hated?? (Spoilers)

(+) Yeah! (+)

I finally watched it. Maybe it was my extreme low expectations but i thought it was very entertaining.

I daresay better than Infinity War.
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I thought it was fun. The best of the modern live action DC movies at least
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FF_Redux posted...

I daresay better than Infinity War.

L O L
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For a minute, I thought you were referring to the DCAU Justice League. Really, its sad how the DCAU built that whole interconnected universe that spanned everything from Batman, Superman, Static, & even the short lived Zeta Project, yet the movies can't get it together at all.
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Doom_Art posted...

FF_Redux posted...

I daresay better than Infinity War.

L O L

This. Like how?
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Ok more detailed thoughts.

Yes, all the previews and stuff made me feel like ugh, and the costume design on the ones we've not seen before was just nah.

But after seeing the movie I likes most of it, the most boring parts was anything with Superman.

Batman - I liked him as Bruce and Batman, it was fun to see Batman feel superhuman for once.
Flash - I thought I was gonna have hard time with this since I'm a huge Grant Gusting and CW Flash fan, but I thought he was a breath of fresh air and worked really nicely, loved him.
Wonder Woman - Best as always, nothing wrong.
Cyborg - I had the most reservations about him since he looked so bad, but his character was actually pretty well done, but the worst of the team still sans Superman, he was a glorified computer lot of times >_>
Aqua Man - I've loved the actor since Stargate Atlantis, and this was a fun new way to show of Aquaman, and I love that he isn't so tough underneath which we saw with Wonderwoman's Lasso on him.
Superman - I loved that he wasn't in so much, the best parts was his interactions with Flash.

Also Flash and Cyborg had some nice bromance thing going on :P
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Yeah it was ok. I wouldn't call it anything special. It was a pretty safe inoffensive fluffy movie for the most part which was both its strength and weakness.
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it had a bunch of faults
admittedly those faults were those that pretty much any blockbuster, including marvel films, has
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I still want to know what were the big major faults.
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Is it hated? I feel like people just didn't care about it. It is a decent movie.
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Why was Justice League hated?

Because it sucked.
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Kitt posted...

Why was Justice League hated?

Because it sucked.

Why?
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They shouldve done individual movies for everyone first
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FF_Redux posted...

I finally watched it. Maybe it was my extreme low expectations but i thought it was very entertaining.

I daresay better than Infinity War.

I motion to have this person's posting privileges permanently revoked, along with a full 30 day ban from the internet.
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SuperShowerBros posted...

He was the worst part yes, but not ruining the movie.

refmon posted...

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Tldw plz

ThunderTrain posted...

They shouldve done individual movies for everyone first

I would've liked that too, but I think they did the background of the other characters well, you understood, but still wanted the full background which you'll get in the future movies.
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FF_Redux posted...

I daresay better than Infinity War.

You were believable until here.
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FF_Redux posted...

Kitt posted...

Why was Justice League hated?

Because it sucked.

Why?

Weak script, weak story in general, shitty villain, the special effects looks odd considering the Rocky production. Speaking of which, it feels like two separate visions are clashing on the film (because it is). The main JL characters themselves were fine though, but I really didn't care when they came together.
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SuperShowerBros posted...

Lol Egads
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Kitt posted...

Weak script, weak story in general, shitty villain

Compared to what? If you compare to MCU, then it's pretty much the same.

Kitt posted...

the special effects looks odd considering the Rocky production.

I don't get this reference. But it looked like any new superhero/action movie with heavy CGI.

Kitt posted...

Speaking of which, it feels like two separate visions are clashing on the film (because it is)

Which two visions?
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Where's ma deathstroke
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glitteringfairy posted...

Where's ma deathstroke

End Credit scene.
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FF_Redux posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

Where's ma deathstroke

End Credit scene.

I mean his movie
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The DCEU in general was being shit on before it even started. People look back at the early MCU and ignore that it had just as many problems if not more than MoS and BvS. JL itself was better than the first few Avengers movies.
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CM_Ponch posted...

The DCEU in general was being shit on before it even started. People look back at the early MCU and ignore that it had just as many problems if not more than MoS and BvS. JL itself was better than the first few Avengers movies.

Yea the DC movies have it's problems. But as a Team Up movie I felt that JL did it really well considering not all characters having their own movies yet and bad movies before it, compared to MCU stuff.
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It is sooo bad.

-Most bland boring generic villain ever with a dumb inexplicable plot that none of us care about

-Ugly visuals, the climax is in some weird red cgi jungle in russia that looks hideously bad, and Cyborg's effects are also especially bad

-Superman's existence makes the rest of the team pointless, as soon as he's alive again there is just no struggle at all

-Reviving superman: the movie treats it like they only had one shot, but if they got the timing wrong, they could have just tried again???

-Wonder Woman is sexualized multiple times in weird ways, it comes across as if a neckbeard had his way with the script

-Cheesy lines, bad dialog, and a lack of development in these characters.

-Their powers are not depicted creatively at all, they are as bland as can be. Think about how creatively the Incredibles get to use their super powers in fights and for general utility and then think about the justice league--so lame.

-Batman comes across as just a weakling for much of this movie (and I know he has no powers and is weak, but I mean his attitude, not just his body)

-The first scene where batman fights the criminal and then the bug thing made no sense and also looks awful

-Reshot scenes also look noticeably worse than the rest of the movie
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It was really uneven and had to pack introducing new characters, forming the League, and establishing and addressing a new threat with another new character in two hours. And yes, the other movies were criticized for being overly long and no, that does not make this movie any better.

FF_Redux posted...

Compared to what? If you compare to MCU, then it's pretty much the same.

Better than or same as something that is also criticized doesn't make another movie good.
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FF_Redux posted...

Kitt posted...

Weak script, weak story in general, shitty villain

Compared to what? If you compare to MCU, then it's pretty much the same.

Nah. Maybe a low tier MCU film and that's still a huge maybe.

Kitt posted...

the special effects looks odd considering the Rocky production.

I don't get this reference. But it looked like any new superhero/action movie with heavy CGI.

It's not a reference to anything, the production of the movie is a well known shit show riddled with re-shoots and executive meddling, including the firing of the initial director in the middle of making the film.

And believe it or not, some movies look better than others gasp. What makes this one even more sad is that it looks bad even with a $300 mill budget. Looks about as bad as Black Panther, another superhero movie with a ridiculous budget and lackluster special effects.

Kitt posted...

Speaking of which, it feels like two separate visions are clashing on the film (because it is)

Which two visions?

Zack Snyder and Joss Whedon. It's not as bad as Suicide Squad's tonal clash but it's still there
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There was no tension, ever.

We all knew from the start that they were going to revive Superman, and he beat Steppenwolf with ease, the final battle had no stakes, no risk, no tension.

This is something Infinity War did way better, the stakes were high as fuck, and we already had seen several fights with Thanos and everyone losing all the time, even Thor's efforts didn't matter in the end.

There also was a lack of proper buildup in JL. They go about recruiting characters that we had to get to know in like a few minutes tops, where as in Marvel, every major character has had atleast one film, and side characters had way WAY more screen time than major characters in JL.

Teh CGI was passable mostly (which is worse than IW) and pretty awful at the worst times. Cyborg is one of the biggest offenders, he constantly feels "out of place", he seems to move really unnatural, and his CGI is way to clean, he sticks out like a sore thumb.

But overal, the biggest offender is the feeling you are left with at the end of the movies.
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lilORANG posted...

I thought it was fun. The best of the modern live action DC movies at least

This.

Basically marvel fanboys who hate DC, marvel fanboys who wanted it to be like a marvel movie, and people paid by marvel criticized it

FF_Redux posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

Where's ma deathstroke

End Credit scene.

search "Deathstroke + Ron Perlman"

"Ron Perlman not found"

No Deathstroke.
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The villain was boring and generic, literally everyone in the movie was completely useless except for Superman, the acting in this movie was bad from pretty much everyone, they wrote Batman to seem like a dumbass, there was barely a plot at all because they just wanted to get to the next action sequence, the CGI was horrendous and ugly, the dialogue was cringey and stuffed full of a bunch of jokes that fell flat (this happens in some MCU movies but never to this extent), Henry Cavills mustache, there were a lot of things happening that didnt actually make sense if you think about it, and they didnt give us a reason to care about any of the characters
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SchoolForAnts posted...

lilORANG posted...

I thought it was fun. The best of the modern live action DC movies at least

This.

Basically marvel fanboys who hate DC, marvel fanboys who wanted it to be like a marvel movie, and people paid by marvel criticized it

I disagree, I love the Marvel films, I loved Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, though Batman vs Superman was pretty good, but Justice League was just a huge step down compared to those movies.
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Nazanir posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

lilORANG posted...

I thought it was fun. The best of the modern live action DC movies at least

This.

Basically marvel fanboys who hate DC, marvel fanboys who wanted it to be like a marvel movie, and people paid by marvel criticized it

I disagree, I love the Marvel films, I loved Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, though Batman vs Superman was pretty good, but Justice League was just a huge step down compared to those movies.

I didn't hate Man of Steel as much as most people. There were things that, admittedly, could have been done so much better and there were things I thought were legitimately great (Michael Shannon as Zodd, the Smallville fight, the sonic boom that occurs when he flies).
But I have to disagree with BvS compared to JL. Justice League was weak but I feel like it was a step in the right direction coming off from BvS.
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Nazanir posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

lilORANG posted...

I thought it was fun. The best of the modern live action DC movies at least

This.

Basically marvel fanboys who hate DC, marvel fanboys who wanted it to be like a marvel movie, and people paid by marvel criticized it

I disagree, I love the Marvel films, I loved Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, though Batman vs Superman was pretty good, but Justice League was just a huge step down compared to those movies.

I think that Justice League is ok, like a 6/10. Man of Steal is a 7/10, Wonder Woman is a 8/10. BvS is more like a 3/10
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It wasn't. It was just meh. So meh that no one saw it. It had no identity and no oomph to it.
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Shitty CG. Generic. Stench of Batman vs Superman. Horribly dull villian even compared to the worst MCU villains like dark elf guy from Thor 2 whose name I cant really remember.

Tried to introduce like 3 new major heroes and explain how Superman was coming back to life so too much(seriously why the fuck did they kill Superman in the THIRD movie in the DCEU?) setup with little payoff.

This is based on reviews and bits and pieces. Havent seen the whole thing because it looked too boring. Steppenwolf was utter shit in the scenes I saw though. Holy fuck that guy sucks. Extremely generic doomsday villian without any quirks, backstory or character interactions that make him fun, or interesting.

Like its not a HORRIBLE movie. Its just so incredibly derivative, uninspired, slow and disappointing.
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FF_Redux posted...

I finally watched it. Maybe it was my extreme low expectations but i thought it was very entertaining.

I daresay better than Infinity War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA" data-time="
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FF_Redux posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

The DCEU in general was being shit on before it even started. People look back at the early MCU and ignore that it had just as many problems if not more than MoS and BvS. JL itself was better than the first few Avengers movies.

Yea the DC movies have it's problems. But as a Team Up movie I felt that JL did it really well considering not all characters having their own movies yet and bad movies before it, compared to MCU stuff.

This. There was general negativity out of the gate and SJW were at their peak in the US so the culture of "hate everything" was at its zenith. Released now, it would be viewed better. I agree 100% with your feelings on IW. JL is kinda stupid with mediocre production values while IW has awesome production values but no soul. There's like... 3 or 4 great scenes in IW. JL oddly has better character moments for everyone but a Batman. People low key hate on JL because it makes Batman look weak and to be fair that is a legit gripe. Ben has a under appreciated line or two where he notes that Superman is more human than he is and how the bad guy isn't waiting around on them.

Plus we are maybe never getting a Man of Steel 2. So it's more **** WB than this movie, which is average. Unbelievably, WB screwed the pooch with DC and is nailing Pokmon. WTH is wrong with this world? :(
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CreekCo posted...

FF_Redux posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

The DCEU in general was being shit on before it even started. People look back at the early MCU and ignore that it had just as many problems if not more than MoS and BvS. JL itself was better than the first few Avengers movies.

Yea the DC movies have it's problems. But as a Team Up movie I felt that JL did it really well considering not all characters having their own movies yet and bad movies before it, compared to MCU stuff.

This. There was general negativity out of the gate and SJW were at their peak in the US so the culture of "hate everything" was at its zenith. Released now, it would be viewed better. I agree 100% with your feelings on IW. JL is kinda stupid with mediocre production values while IW has awesome production values but no soul. There's like... 3 or 4 great scenes in IW. JL oddly has better character moments for everyone but a Batman. People low key hate on JL because it makes Batman look weak and to be fair that is a legit gripe. Ben has a under appreciated line or two where he notes that Superman is more human than he is and how the bad guy isn't waiting around on them.

Plus we are maybe never getting a Man of Steel 2. So it's more **** WB than this movie, which is average. Unbelievably, WB screwed the pooch with DC and is nailing Pokmon. WTH is wrong with this world? :(

I dont see how SJWs have anything to do with this lol. How is Infinity War soulless? And Justice League has no character moments in it. It was all about the action and there was basically no character development. Everyone was just a cardboard cutout. Aquaman was a dumb dudebro, Batman was a stubborn jackass, Wonder Woman was the voice of reason, Flash was the quirky weirdo and Cyborg was just there. Their interactions were terrible and by the end of the film you still barely knew anything about any of them
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Opinions, etc. It's just my opinion. There's a lot of people who feel this way... they just don't post much on social media. A lot of older people liked JL for what is was.
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YookaLaylee posted...

And Justice League has no character moments in it. It was all about the action and there was basically no character development.

Lol wut.
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I was only there for mein Amazon Queen.
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It's not bad, it's just not as neat as the Avengers or as fun and punchy as the MCU. The tone is also pretty schizophrenic at points. You can tell there are two directoral voices at play here.

I feel like the movie didn't even make Superman all that likeable. Like that scene in the beginning with those kids should have been the sweetest thing you ever saw, and it just wasn't. Why is he so cold? Why are we calling back to the less than successful BvS here?
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I didn't even like Infinity War so I doubt I'd like Justice League. I wish DC would just stop trying to do everything Marvel is trying to do. The best movies out of DC property didn't come because of a forced universe gimmick. Batman and Superman don't belong in the same cinematic universe. It just makes Batman dorkier and Superman darker. No one wants that.

wah_wah_wah posted...

It just makes Batman dorkier and Superman darker. No one wants that.

I don't know. 60's Adam West 'dorky Batman and Robin' is one of our most well loved Batman representations. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin often come to mind when people think of a less serious interpretation of the Dark Knight, but when we look at cartoons like Batman the Brave and the Bold, or movies like the Lego Batman we can see that there's room on the sillier side for a more successful movie. Hell, even the 90's Batman/Superman crossovers worked. I don't think having the two of them present in a single movie is the problem in the slightest. I think they just can't get away from the baggage of those earlier movies.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

Batman and Superman don't belong in the same cinematic universe.

Yes they do.
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CM_Ponch posted...

YookaLaylee posted...

And Justice League has no character moments in it. It was all about the action and there was basically no character development.

Lol wut.

Wut lol
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