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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/vice-movie-dick-cheney-anti-conservative-vitriol/

McKay turned away from political projects until The Big Short. But now hes back, and hes betting a $60 million budget that Americans are desperate to see Christian Bale put on 45 pounds and play Cheney as a Machiavellian devil hell-bent on sending American troops into battle for no good reason. The cast is massive and includes Sam Rockwell as W., Steve Carell as Donald Rumsfeld, and Tyler Perry as Colin Powell. According to McKay, Cheney was far more powerful than W.

This, of course, is untrue. But the punch line is this one: I would choose Trump over Bush and Cheney. Why? Because, according to McKay, Donald Trump has no belief system. So I would take the hyenas, the random wild animals running through the White House over Cheney any day of the week.

This is how you got Trump.

Thats an overused phrase to the point of parody, of course. But why not parody the parodists? Heres the reality; the same Left that despises President Trump despised George W. Bush long before him. For the most part, the talk about Trump disgracing the office, the talk about Trumps toxic personality, the talk about Trumps divisiveness all of it is just a cover for the fact that those on the cultural left despise those who arent on the political left. They see them as idiots and rubes (W.), or as evil manipulators (Cheney). For them, Trump isnt an outlier hes merely the latest iteration of the dastardly conservative movement that launched with Nixon, extended through Reagan, grew to Bush, and now culminates in Trump. At least McKay is honest enough to admit that simple fact. Trump, for the Left, isnt a departure from conservatism. Hes just another variation on a theme: All conservatives are evil.

Which is why, of course, Trump is the president right now. Leftist contempt for conservatives seeps through Hollywood and drips off our television and movie screens. And conservatives responded in 2016 to that contempt by nominating a man who wouldnt take an insult, who wouldnt respect the office of the presidency enough to forgo a cultural fight. Those on the right elected Trump more to fight those like McKay than to fight those like Nancy Pelosi. Thats why they revel in Trumps tweets (see Schitt, Adam) and his willingness to slam anyone who knocks him (see Admiral McRaven). Trump doesnt take, for lack of a better word, schitt. And conservatives have been taking it for far too long.

This guy is so fucking dumb
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Antifar posted...

This is how you got Trump.

he included this line unironically.
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It's ok nobody expected you - a massive leftist - to agree with him. Relax. No point in engaging meltie mode.
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DarthWendy posted...

It's ok nobody expected you - a massive leftist - to agree with him.

Why should anybody agree with it?
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Antifar posted...

DarthWendy posted...

It's ok nobody expected you - a massive leftist - to agree with him.

Why should anybody agree with it?

Because people have different perceptions of the world and how it can be run well

^ The chap just answered.
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t_paynes_ghost posted...

Because people have different perceptions of the world and how it can be run well

Why do they hold perceptions where the above article is a coherent argument, where opposition to war criminal George W. Bush either disqualifies one from properly hating Trump or results in his victory?
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Antifar posted...

For them, Trump isnt an outlier hes merely the latest iteration of the dastardly conservative movement that launched with Nixon, extended through Reagan, grew to Bush, and now culminates in Trump.

I mean he's right on the money here lol
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Antifar posted...

t_paynes_ghost posted...

Because people have different perceptions of the world and how it can be run well

Why do they hold perceptions where the above article is a coherent argument, where opposition to war criminal George W. Bush either disqualifies one from properly hating Trump or results in his victory?

Because coherent arguments can be made from both sides.

NOTE: Am not American and have no real opinion on this matter.

I like how people are saying conservatives can make coherent arguments rather than Ben Shapiro made a coherent argument here.
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hard to swallow pill that ben needs to take: nobody likes neocons

equating hate for the bush administration with hate for the trump administration is ludicrous

the bush administration has the blood of a million people on its hands
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I never hear liberals say "the right" in the same essence that slave owners and racists would say "the blacks"

Coincidence?
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Sayoria posted...

I never hear liberals say "the right" in the same essence that slave owners and racists would say "the blacks"

Coincidence?

I've been staring at this post and just blinking a lot for about two minutes.
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Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

I never hear liberals say "the right" in the same essence that slave owners and racists would say "the blacks"

Coincidence?

I've been staring at this post and just blinking a lot for about two minutes.

If you ever figure it out, could you explain it to me, please?

This guy is so fucking dumb

And yet still so much smarter than you
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Ben shaping is the guy who celebrates facts over feelings until it's an issue he has feelings about.

This is like his outcry over Black Panther. The only thing we know about Shapiro is that he doesnt understand the Hollywood issue he constantly bitches about.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

I never hear liberals say "the right" in the same essence that slave owners and racists would say "the blacks"

Coincidence?

I've been staring at this post and just blinking a lot for about two minutes.

If you ever figure it out, could you explain it to me, please?

Conservatives having a knack of using "the _____" in a condescending, and blatantly sour-in-the-mouth way. "The left"
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Sayoria posted...

Conservatives having a knack of using "the _____" in a condescending, and blatantly sour-in-the-mouth way. "The left"

The right has far more practice with righteous indignation than the left, who apparently just discovered the concept in the mid 90s or so.

I think opinions like this are important, even if I think hes a self important twit a lot of the time.
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t_paynes_ghost posted...

Antifar posted...

DarthWendy posted...

It's ok nobody expected you - a massive leftist - to agree with him.

Why should anybody agree with it?

Because people have different perceptions of the world and how it can be run well

and perceptions like the ones expressed in that article are dumb as fuck
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the same Left that despises President Trump despised George W. Bush long before him

what an astounding observation. they really got their money's worth out of this one
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t_paynes_ghost posted...

Because coherent arguments can be made from both sides.

I feel like you're ignoring all of the context of the article to claim that "both sides can make coherent arguments", which seems like a non-sequitur when we have a non-coherent argument being made.
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Sayoria posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

I never hear liberals say "the right" in the same essence that slave owners and racists would say "the blacks"

Coincidence?

I've been staring at this post and just blinking a lot for about two minutes.

If you ever figure it out, could you explain it to me, please?

Conservatives having a knack of using "the _____" in a condescending, and blatantly sour-in-the-mouth way. "The left"

Whereas lefties are always reasonable and cool headed when confronted with ideas they don't agree with.
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EnragedSlith posted...

I think opinions like this are important, even if I think hes a self important twit a lot of the time.

Stupid opinions are important because they remind us to not take Ben Shapiro seriously as an intellectual.
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SoulOfFayth posted...

Sayoria posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Antifar posted...

Sayoria posted...

I never hear liberals say "the right" in the same essence that slave owners and racists would say "the blacks"

Coincidence?

I've been staring at this post and just blinking a lot for about two minutes.

If you ever figure it out, could you explain it to me, please?

Conservatives having a knack of using "the _____" in a condescending, and blatantly sour-in-the-mouth way. "The left"

Whereas lefties are always reasonable and cool headed when confronted with ideas they don't agree with.

Both sides are fucking whacky, but let's be honest. Living your life the way you want is by far something that would piss off a conservative before a liberal. Me being trans, liberals don't care. To a conservative, me even being around them is grounds for discrimination and in some cases, calls for death.
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