Current Events > British conspiracy theorist YouTuber Carl Benjamin banned from Patreon.

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Delta_F14
12/09/18 12:08:37 PM
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Crowdfunding site Patreon this week banned the accounts of several controversial public figures, part of a wider push by tech companies to de-platform users linked to the alt-right and far right.

The ban will be a particular blow for Benjamin, who was earning more than $12,000 a month from the crowdfunding site. Benjamin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Patreon is the latest technology company to cut off payment options for users linked to hate groups or hate speech. PayPal and Stripe have previously taken similar action.


https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qvqeev/crowdfunding-site-patreon-is-purging-far-right-figures
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Doom_Art
12/09/18 12:11:51 PM
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The free market has spoken
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Delta_F14
12/09/18 12:18:56 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken

Is it truly a free market when these tech companies all work in tandem in order to de-platform people they disagree with politically?
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ultimate reaver
12/09/18 12:19:43 PM
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The weak should fear the strong
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monkmith
12/09/18 12:19:58 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken

no Doom_Art, its called oppression when racist bigots get shot down...
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FLUFFYGERM
12/09/18 12:20:06 PM
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Note that Doom Art doesn't actually agree with there being a free market and just chose this position only in this topic since he believes it sticks it to the right to do so.
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Doom_Art
12/09/18 12:21:01 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Is it truly a free market when these tech companies all work in tandem in order to de-platform people they disagree with politically?

If only corporations were subject to oversight. If only the right wasn't so content to give corporations free reign
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s0nicfan
12/09/18 12:21:04 PM
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I understand milo, but sargon is so milquetoast. His biggest crime is being smug.
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Trelve
12/09/18 12:21:36 PM
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Classy, removing a man's source of income right before Christmas.
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Dragon239
12/09/18 12:21:44 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Is it truly a free market when these tech companies all work in tandem in order to de-platform people they disagree with politically?

If they got there freely, yeah, sure, why not?
Unless you argue for regulations and laws that they are not allowed to communicate or work together, in which case their freedom is being limited in another manner.
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Zikten
12/09/18 12:22:55 PM
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monkmith posted...
Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken

no Doom_Art, its called oppression when racist bigots get shot down...

Why are you assuming he's racist? I've never heard of this guy and all it says is he was a conspiracy theorist. So was Art Bell and he wasn't racist. Neither is Dale Gribble. Conspiracy theorist has nothing to do with racism
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Guide
12/09/18 12:23:00 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken

Is it truly a free market when these tech companies all work in tandem in order to de-platform people they disagree with politically?


Are you sure it's not because it makes them more money to do this?
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Guide
12/09/18 12:23:35 PM
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Zikten posted...
monkmith posted...
Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken

no Doom_Art, its called oppression when racist bigots get shot down...

Why are you assuming he's racist? I've never heard of this guy and all it says is he was a conspiracy theorist. So was Art Bell and he wasn't racist. Neither is Dale Gribble. Conspiracy theorist has nothing to do with racism


It doesn't, but he also has the alt-right label.
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Anteaterking
12/09/18 12:24:38 PM
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I can see an argument for why e.g. PayPal shouldn't limit people based on ideologies but there seems little reason that Patreon shouldn't be able to limit whatever projects they want to.
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Joeydollaz
12/09/18 12:26:06 PM
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So a street beggar can't no longer beg?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/09/18 12:27:37 PM
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It's ridiculous that Sargon of Akkad is considered far right or a conspiracy theorist. Unless he's significantly collapsed in the last year or so since I last paid much attention, he always came across as being quite reasonable.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
12/09/18 12:29:31 PM
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I dunno if I would call Sargon "far right".
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Delta_F14
12/09/18 12:31:03 PM
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Sargon is most certainly not far right, he's a "classic liberal".
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FLUFFYGERM
12/09/18 12:31:05 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I dunno if I would call Sargon "far right".


Yeah, this basically proves that the left (including the Great White Saviors of Silicon Valley as Sargon put it) are just going to mislabel anyone who is not politically correct and parroting leftist nonsense. Then they're going to use that label as justification for deplatforming someone and taking away their income.

Here's Sargon's response to this debacle. I'm surprised how calm he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ThPdCicEsg" data-time="

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Bio1590
12/09/18 12:31:19 PM
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Doom_Art
12/09/18 12:52:43 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Yeah, this basically proves that the left (including the Great White Saviors of Silicon Valley as Sargon put it) are just going to mislabel anyone who is not politically correct and parroting leftist nonsense. Then they're going to use that label as justification for deplatforming someone and taking away their income.

*shrug*

They can make their own platform if they want

The beauty of the free market
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FLUFFYGERM
12/09/18 12:54:20 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Yeah, this basically proves that the left (including the Great White Saviors of Silicon Valley as Sargon put it) are just going to mislabel anyone who is not politically correct and parroting leftist nonsense. Then they're going to use that label as justification for deplatforming someone and taking away their income.

*shrug*

They can make their own platform if they want

The beauty of the free market


You can stop pretending to care about or understand the free market, because you've shown consistently that you do not. Especially when you said that you're a socialist.

And btw they do end up making their own platforms. Sargon actually moved over to a different funding solution. That doesn't change the fact that a lot of the monopolies in technology have a vested interest in censoring anything that isn't far left nonsense. (The type of nonsense you agree with and therefore you don't mind praising the free market right now. If that was what was censored you'd completely flip flop while the rest of us would be consistent)
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Sativa_Rose
12/09/18 12:56:17 PM
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We need a new patreon that doesn't ban people for trivial reasons.
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crazygamer21
12/09/18 12:56:40 PM
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I think i recognize his name from being a gamergoober. All i have to say then is fair, next.
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Doom_Art
12/09/18 12:58:48 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
We need a new patreon that doesn't ban people for trivial reasons.

If there is demand for it then the free market will provide it

crazygamer21 posted...
I think i recognize his name from being a gamergoober. All i have to say then is fair, next.

Whoever started Gamergate should be tried in The Hague for the horse shit they inflicted on the internet
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The Great Muta 22
12/09/18 12:58:55 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
So a street beggar can't no longer beg?


In your troll attempt you actually stumbled on an interesting point. If we're running with the whole "Social media and the internet is the new public square" idea that many people have been claiming over the last 2 years, would activities asking for money and sites like Patreon be considered a form of panhandling?
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s0nicfan
12/09/18 1:02:23 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
If there is demand for it then the free market will provide it


Like Gab. You support its right to exist as part of the free market, right?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/09/18 1:05:18 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Doom_Art posted...
If there is demand for it then the free market will provide it


Like Gab. You support its right to exist as part of the free market, right?


Pretty sure he said it should be shut down and celebrated when its previous hosting solution banned it.
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The Great Muta 22
12/09/18 1:07:06 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Whoever started Gamergate should be tried in The Hague for the horse shit they inflicted on the internet


Can we just put the blame on Bannon and Milo and call it a day?
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spudger
12/09/18 1:11:13 PM
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why dont they just start Magatreon? or Trumptreon?
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A_Good_Boy
12/09/18 1:15:20 PM
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I'd care if their crazy fans weren't out there using all of this alt-right crap as an excuse to commit crimes and terrorism. Scour the alt-right from the net and make America safe again.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/09/18 1:24:02 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken

Is it truly a free market when these tech companies all work in tandem in order to de-platform people they disagree with politically?


Absolutely.
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ZMythos
12/09/18 1:28:44 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
That doesn't change the fact that a lot of the monopolies in technology have a vested interest in censoring anything that isn't far left nonsense

Maybe if the majority of companies and people agree with it, there's a chance that' it's not nonsense

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Anteaterking
12/09/18 1:30:10 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
In your troll attempt you actually stumbled on an interesting point. If we're running with the whole "Social media and the internet is the new public square" idea that many people have been claiming over the last 2 years, would activities asking for money and sites like Patreon be considered a form of panhandling?


Patreon is about patronage (hence the name). GoFundMe is definitely used as modern day panhandling though.
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emblem boy
12/09/18 1:59:40 PM
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Did patreon release the exact reason they wanted to remove these guys?
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Delta_F14
12/09/18 2:47:46 PM
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emblem boy posted...
Did patreon release the exact reason they wanted to remove these guys?

Nope, Sargon sent several emails to them and got no response back.
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CW_McGraw
12/09/18 3:10:03 PM
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Get a load of all these bolsheviks whining about the just decisions of the free market.
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50Blessings
12/09/18 3:11:27 PM
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I don't even like Sargon, but this is getting ridiculous.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
12/09/18 3:12:38 PM
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Why was Patreon such a necessary thing to get donations?

Did Paypal stop existing or something?
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Blue_Dream87
12/09/18 3:20:28 PM
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Bye Felicia
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s0nicfan
12/09/18 3:22:49 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Why was Patreon such a necessary thing to get donations?

Did Paypal stop existing or something?


Convenience, mostly. It provided tools for reaching out to subscribers and automatic recurring payments. It's more a custom subscription service than a tip jar.
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Vyrulisse
12/09/18 3:23:33 PM
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It's only going to get worse yet people called me a tinfoil hat when I brought it up. This shit always starts with the "easy" targets and spreads from there. These companies want absolute control and will get it because no one cares enough to stand up to this stuff... hence why they go for the easy targets. Stand up for someone slapped with a label that's not popular based on a big picture outlook? You're now put in with them.
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Freddie_Mercury
12/09/18 3:24:10 PM
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c u l t u r a l m a r x i s m
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Sativa_Rose
12/09/18 3:25:32 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I'd care if their crazy fans weren't out there using all of this alt-right crap as an excuse to commit crimes and terrorism. Scour the alt-right from the net and make America safe again.


Sargon's fans are committing terrorism? What is this nonsense?

Also you should be aware that the alt-right hates Sargon.
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Bio1590
12/09/18 3:38:25 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Im just here to laugh at McCarthyist Proudclad bitching about peoples ideologies being mislabeled

This is definitely the worst iteration of Proudclad by far and he truly has turned into nothing but a caricature of himself.
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A_Good_Boy
12/09/18 4:14:21 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
It's only going to get worse yet people called me a tinfoil hat when I brought it up. This shit always starts with the "easy" targets and spreads from there. These companies want absolute control and will get it because no one cares enough to stand up to this stuff... hence why they go for the easy targets. Stand up for someone slapped with a label that's not popular based on a big picture outlook? You're now put in with them.

Nothing is stopping them from going and creating their own competing platform. Except for the fact that those sites invariably end up as a hotbed for Nazism, and advertisers don't fuck with nazis, there's nothing that should be preventing them from creating their own alt-right version of Patreon.
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DarkRoast
12/09/18 4:15:34 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
The free market has spoken


But what about The Space Jam market?
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Vicious_Dios
12/09/18 4:16:30 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
emblem boy posted...
Did patreon release the exact reason they wanted to remove these guys?

Nope, Sargon sent several emails to them and got no response back.

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bige85
12/09/18 4:22:01 PM
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Trelve posted...
Classy, removing a man's source of income right before Christmas.

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