Current Events > Is it just me or is the AI in Smash Ultimate way harder than before?

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I used to never have any problems in single player Smash stuff even on max difficulty, but some of the AI in this game are just brutal.
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I've never been great at it, and have never handled the highest difficulties, but I think the difficulty cap's been bumped up a bit for the competitive scene.
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The new challengers have been.....tough
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It's objectively smarter than before.
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It's just you
>__>
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It does feel like it sometimes. I know I'm not the greatest at Smash Bros, but I never had trouble unlocking characters in past games, while a lot have given me trouble in Ultimate

Are level 9s impossible again?
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fireball2020 posted...

It does feel like it sometimes. I know I'm not the greatest at Smash Bros, but I never had trouble unlocking characters in past games, while a lot have given me trouble in Ultimate

I've been wondering what determines the difficulty of the challengers. Are they preset, or do they progressively get harder the more you unlock, or what?
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Hayame Zero posted...

fireball2020 posted...

It does feel like it sometimes. I know I'm not the greatest at Smash Bros, but I never had trouble unlocking characters in past games, while a lot have given me trouble in Ultimate

I've been wondering what determines the difficulty of the challengers. Are they preset, or do they progressively get harder the more you unlock, or what?

That's a good question, I'd like to know as well. It feels like they progressively get harder imo, last 4 or 5 I've unlocked all took me multiple tries before I finally got them, while a bunch of the first ones I got were no problem

fireball2020 posted...

Hayame Zero posted...

fireball2020 posted...

It does feel like it sometimes. I know I'm not the greatest at Smash Bros, but I never had trouble unlocking characters in past games, while a lot have given me trouble in Ultimate

I've been wondering what determines the difficulty of the challengers. Are they preset, or do they progressively get harder the more you unlock, or what?

That's a good question, I'd like to know as well. It feels like they progressively get harder imo, last 4 or 5 I've unlocked all took me multiple tries before I finally got them, while a bunch of the first ones I got were no problem

Wouldn't be surprised, got my ass kicked by the last three
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The Smash team apparently worked with competitive smash players to develop better AI this time

Seems like they get a little tougher every installment.

They definitely did between Melee and Brawl when the AI's stopped walking into your charging smash attacks lol.
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I've been playing against CPU Level 9 and trying stuff out to see what works, i've never been in any real danger of losing yet but i take it as just me getting better at the game.
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fireball2020 posted...

Hayame Zero posted...

fireball2020 posted...

It does feel like it sometimes. I know I'm not the greatest at Smash Bros, but I never had trouble unlocking characters in past games, while a lot have given me trouble in Ultimate

I've been wondering what determines the difficulty of the challengers. Are they preset, or do they progressively get harder the more you unlock, or what?

That's a good question, I'd like to know as well. It feels like they progressively get harder imo, last 4 or 5 I've unlocked all took me multiple tries before I finally got them, while a bunch of the first ones I got were no problem

It's just all over the place and seemingly random. Simon was hard as shit, then Lucina was next and she barely did anything, and then Wario stomped me.
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I've had a lot of trouble with unlockable characters too but they don't seem too bad if I play as Link

Maybe I'm just good with Link and don't realize it, I dunno, I've never mained him before
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Solid Snake keeps trashing us when we try to unlock him

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

Meta Knight kept wrecking my shit
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

There's one with an Incineroar that immediately uses a Victini and OHKOs you

Fuck that one
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I will say that spending enough time with hard AI has turned me into a total badass online, and I used to be mediocre at best.
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Thank God it wasn't just me. I know I'm not great, but I've beat all of 5 of the 30 or so I've unlocked on my first try. To be fair though, that was through spirit mode where I only have 5,none of which I'm any good with really.

Being able to choose Pit or Link made it easier. Now though, fuck it I'll spam classic mode from now on.
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I seem to remember Brawl's AI being terrible at everything, but having godly reflexes because it just mapped to your controller. Is the AI this time around actually good in a more realistic way?
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tennisdude818 posted...

I seem to remember Brawl's AI being terrible at everything, but having godly reflexes because it just mapped to your controller. Is the AI this time around actually good in a more realistic way?

It's some bullshit is what it is fam.
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tennisdude818 posted...

I seem to remember Brawl's AI being terrible at everything, but having godly reflexes because it just mapped to your controller. Is the AI this time around actually good in a more realistic way?

Yup. Get sent flying, they don't wait for you to get back, They'll pursue you if it's safe to do so.
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even in the earlier games level 9 AI was prone to doing stupid shit, this time around they're really on the ball
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dave_is_slick posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

I seem to remember Brawl's AI being terrible at everything, but having godly reflexes because it just mapped to your controller. Is the AI this time around actually good in a more realistic way?

Yup. Get sent flying, they don't wait for you to get back, They'll pursue you if it's safe to do so.

I get juggled like nothing else, it's so annoying
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HylianFox posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

I seem to remember Brawl's AI being terrible at everything, but having godly reflexes because it just mapped to your controller. Is the AI this time around actually good in a more realistic way?

Yup. Get sent flying, they don't wait for you to get back, They'll pursue you if it's safe to do so.

I get juggled like nothing else, it's so annoying

I get juggled like crazy in World of Light when it's 3 v 1. I appreciate the challenge, but having team damage would be reasonable.
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DarkRoast posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

There's one with an Incineroar that immediately uses a Victini and OHKOs you

Fuck that one

It's the team ones that get me the most, like an optional stamina battle where you have to fight 4 sets of 2 Mega Mans with 100% each.

Dragonblade01 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

There's one with an Incineroar that immediately uses a Victini and OHKOs you

Fuck that one

It's the team ones that get me the most, like an optional stamina battle where you have to fight 4 sets of 2 Mega Mans with 100% each.

Youre supposed to use spirits to counter their BS. I think I used a heal after KO and a heal at critical health for that one.
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Chicken posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

There's one with an Incineroar that immediately uses a Victini and OHKOs you

Fuck that one

It's the team ones that get me the most, like an optional stamina battle where you have to fight 4 sets of 2 Mega Mans with 100% each.

Youre supposed to use spirits to counter their BS. I think I used a heal after KO and a heal at critical health for that one.

Yeah, I realize the power rating is supposed to tell me that I'm underleveled as well, so to speak. It's just so goddamn frustrating, lol

Dragonblade01 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

There's one with an Incineroar that immediately uses a Victini and OHKOs you

Fuck that one

It's the team ones that get me the most, like an optional stamina battle where you have to fight 4 sets of 2 Mega Mans with 100% each.

That's the Wily one. Fuck that one.
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I lost the unlocking matches for Robin and Incineroar. >.>
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Ai definately improved but I'm also sensing a lot of button reading from these ai's as well. Something I found fucking annoying when playing Soul Calibur 2 when the AI knew perfectly when to guard impact.
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DarkRoast posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

DarkRoast posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I haven't had much problem with unlocking characters, but some of these World of Light fights

There's one with an Incineroar that immediately uses a Victini and OHKOs you

Fuck that one

It's the team ones that get me the most, like an optional stamina battle where you have to fight 4 sets of 2 Mega Mans with 100% each.

That's the Wily one. Fuck that one.

Captain Falcon, Metal Killer, spam Falcon Uppercut. It'll be very close but that's how I did it.
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Prestoff posted...

Ai definately improved but I'm also sensing a lot of button reading from these ai's as well. Something I found fucking annoying when playing Soul Calibur 2 when the AI knew perfectly when to guard impact.

they're really freaking good at anticipating your moves, that's for sure

maybe I'm just too predictable?
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Maybe it's because I've known his moveset since 64, but Kirby is my go-to for my highest odds of beating challengers
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how to cheese World of Light:

use DK, put two punching power-ups and Fiora on him.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

how to cheese World of Light:

use DK, put two punching power-ups and Fiora on him.

Where's Fiora?
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I've been okay with the Challenger fights so far but Ike absolutely dominated me both times I tried to fight him.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

how to cheese World of Light:

use DK, put two punching power-ups and Fiora on him.

Where's Fiora?

it's on the path that you'd take if you beat Villager back in that area where you can choose between 3 opponents.
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Well I finally unlocked all the challenges. Kirby was my only hope.
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fucking King Dedede DESTROYED me twice last night.

fuck you sakurai
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I was banging my head against the wall on an Olimar fight, only to realize the power was at 9100, when mine was at 3000ish.... That is why he kept kicking my ass, so left that node for later.
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I don't remember the AI spiking me off ledge in prior games. Or making extremely good use of small openings I make.
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Used K. Rool to cheese most of the character unlocks. Used his neutral B to suck in and cannon foes off the stage.
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It's still hilariously bad about things like getting up from the ledge, but it's gotten much smarter about things like getting baited into jumping to its death.
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It still reads inputs though which is fucking annoying. Otherwise they're much "smarter" and more aggressive in terms of chasing you offstage and whatnot. Got literally thunderstomped by AI ganondorf in the unlock fight and I couldn't even be mad, I was just amazed
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Finally got everyone but god damn did Palutena put up a fight
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Yeah I've lost a fair amount of unlock fights
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