Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 8: Topic 5

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I was already over it and just enjoying the memes by that point.
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https://www.truthdig.com/articles/game-of-thrones-an-american-parable/

Pretty good article in relation to Dany and the scorned Yas Queen fans.

Finally caught on. So here are my thoughts.

Episode 1 was very good. Character building as we like it.

Episode 2 was very good too. More character building, some team ups via conversations, we see Arya's tits too. What more you want?

Episode 3...Okay it is beautifully shot. Plus if you show that to someone that doesn't know he would think it is some kind of movie. Very nice. BUT they payoff sucks. So the big villain is killed by Arya of all people! And like 2 main characters die only? Come on. Yeah I know that Zombies and such in fiction aren't the main villain, they are an obstacle only but still. This sucks.

Episode 4 I liked it. People talking and such. Nice. Of course the sneaking attack on a Dragon sucks and the fact that Danaerys lost only half her army while we only thought she lost everyone. Guess they are good at hiding.

Episode 5...Need I go on? It is the lowest rated episode from the series for a reason. And we had so many deaths of main characters! Not in episode 3 but her! The brother match was awesome at least. But Danaerys kills everyone AFTER they have surrendered? And the teleporting horse?

Hope the final episode will be better...Okay who I am kidding. Of course it will suck.
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Nrrr posted...

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/game-of-thrones-an-american-parable/

Pretty good article in relation to Dany and the scorned Yas Queen fans.

This is pretty good. The Targaryen coin toss quote happened all the way back in season 1 and Dany's character has been consistently monstrous through the entire series (despite those actions being portrayed/perceived as heroic because of who she was acting on at first) so Dany's turn really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

And yet here we are, literally hundreds of thousands of people up in arms because of their own folly of endearing themselves to a really bad person. (For the record I love Dany as a character but I never had any illusions about what her brand of justice was going to look like when it came to Westeros)
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What? Before this she always killed the bad guys in charge and rescued the peasants, the slaves, the battered women, the second class citizens. Those guys in episode Mother couldn't have crowd-surfed her if they were all brunt to a crisp. Here she simply burned everyone and everything in her path. Which I'd say is a stark departure from season 1 (broken scared rape-wife with not even any dragons yet). She didn't start becoming questionable until much later, and that was still a particularly satisfying brand of pay evil unto evil.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

What? Before this she always killed the bad guys in charge and rescued the peasants, the slaves, the battered women, the second class citizens. Those guys in episode Mother couldn't have crowd-surfed her if they were all brunt to a crisp. Here she simply burned everyone and everything in her path. Which I'd say is a stark departure from season 1 (broken scared rape-wife with not even any dragons yet). She didn't start becoming questionable until much later, and that was still a particularly satisfying brand of pay evil unto evil.

and all those people she saved would love her for it.

If she just went up and dragon'd Cersei here, these people wouldn't give a shit.

They'd loathe her as much as they loathe Cersei.
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Yeah there were so many complaints about how Dany really sucked but was being 'made to look good' by the writers. Laughably simple, childish Roman Reigns comparisons were made. This is everything those people wanted.

If anything a lot of the old complaints about how her character was presented should now be rendered irrelevant and, tbh, apologised for. It was leading to this. They spoke too soon.
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I want the finale to have a scene back in Essos showing how Meereen's gone back to shit after Dany left. That everything she accomplished in Essos was undone, because Dany cared more about the Iron Throne than the lives of the people she was already ruling over.

Though I guess if nothing else, she did more or less completely remove the Dothraki from Essos and that can only be seen as a good thing.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah there were so many complaints about how Dany really sucked but was being 'made to look good' by the writers. Laughably simple, childish Roman Reigns comparisons were made. This is everything those people wanted.

If anything a lot of the old complaints about how her character was presented should now be rendered irrelevant and, tbh, apologised for. It was leading to this. They spoke too soon.

Lol no offense, but is this post serious?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah there were so many complaints about how Dany really sucked but was being 'made to look good' by the writers. Laughably simple, childish Roman Reigns comparisons were made. This is everything those people wanted.

If anything a lot of the old complaints about how her character was presented should now be rendered irrelevant and, tbh, apologised for. It was leading to this. They spoke too soon.

Lol no offense, but is this post serious?

Have you ever known a gamefaqs mod to have a sense of humor?

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah there were so many complaints about how Dany really sucked but was being 'made to look good' by the writers. Laughably simple, childish Roman Reigns comparisons were made. This is everything those people wanted.

If anything a lot of the old complaints about how her character was presented should now be rendered irrelevant and, tbh, apologised for. It was leading to this. They spoke too soon.

Lol no offense, but is this post serious?

The apology part wasn't.

People jumping the gun on criticism rather than letting things play out is standard fare, to the point that expecting some sort of contrition would be ridiculous.
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This show is BALLS
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red13n posted...

PerfectChaosZ posted...

What? Before this she always killed the bad guys in charge and rescued the peasants, the slaves, the battered women, the second class citizens. Those guys in episode Mother couldn't have crowd-surfed her if they were all brunt to a crisp. Here she simply burned everyone and everything in her path. Which I'd say is a stark departure from season 1 (broken scared rape-wife with not even any dragons yet). She didn't start becoming questionable until much later, and that was still a particularly satisfying brand of pay evil unto evil.

and all those people she saved would love her for it.

If she just went up and dragon'd Cersei here, these people wouldn't give a shit.

They'd loathe her as much as they loathe Cersei.

Right but I was replying to someone who said she was the same since the beginning. I expected and wanted the mad queen and she has definitely been ruthless and shades of this before, but it's ridiculous to say burning peasants wasn't a departure for her.

I was hoping all the Dorhraki were all dead.

There were certainly a lot of signs hinting that she could make a mad queen turn some day. I'm excited to see when they actually have her transition into one.
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I'm a fan of this
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Nrrr posted...

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/game-of-thrones-an-american-parable/

Pretty good article in relation to Dany and the scorned Yas Queen fans.

Good article.

Though I still get stupidly annoyed when people say "King of the North" instead of King IN the North.
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I love the mad queen turn and have been hoping for it in the books, but the transition just felt rushed.... like everything else this season.
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I feel like they should have had a whole season with Dany as the main villain after her complete heel turn. Folks plotting, tip-toeing around her, kill Varys then.

XIII is def right that some people are criticizing the episode for the best parts of it just because they don't get Dany's character. But there are so many other writing and directorial issues that it's hard to blame them too much for misunderstanding things.
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I'm fine with Dany going mad queen, I'm just not sure if I liked the presentation they did here with it. But I'm also not sure how exactly I would have preferred it so I can't gripe on it too too much, especially with other things I do actually have problems with in the season.
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I feel like Mad Queen needed more setup. That seems like something you need to set up over the course of multiple seasons. I know there's the occasional hint of it throughout the series, but you really needed that clearer slow degeneration.
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Anagram posted...

I feel like Mad Queen needed more setup. That seems like something you need to set up over the course of multiple seasons. I know there's the occasional hint of it throughout the series, but you really needed that clearer slow degeneration.

I don't think it needs to be seasons.... and there are a lot of reasons presented, but they are never really explored. Combined with the fact that other characters actions are clearly not in character and are merely to push the plot along and it takes this from feeling like a subtle thing it to just another shoehorned plot device.
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I wonder why American shows never use "flashbacks" like Anime do
I mean, a 20 seconds scene showing Daenerys remembering all the shit she went through this season (Jorah, Rheagal, "King in the North", Missandei) would have fixed so many "IT WAS TOO FASTTTTTTTTT" complaints
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Jane the Virgin does!
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People don't get it. She lost her 2 Dragons, the closest friend of hers, 1 of her advisors was plotting against her to kill her, Westeros people don't like her and other things too.
Is it that hard to believe that she went angry?
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She made an observant comment, that the people of Westeros will not love her so they need to fear her.
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Safer_777 posted...

People don't get it. She lost her 2 Dragons, the closest friend of hers, 1 of her advisors was plotting against her to kill her, Westeros people don't like her and other things too.
Is it that hard to believe that she went angry?

Angry, sure.

Genocidal maniac? Not so much.

Dany has always been ruthless. She's never been "indiscriminate murder". It's why the "mad queen" angle is a hard sell. She doesn't show signs of madness.

There's an in-universe explanation of her being turned mad, given Bran had a 'vision' of Dany and the mad king going "burn them all".

If it's revealed that Bran unknowingly time-travel messed with her the way he did Hodor, then it would be more acceptable of a turnout.

Hell, I'd love for this last episode to show Dany had no control over the decision to burn them all, realizes she ruined everything, and just leaves Westeros (or kills self idc). Then we're left with people picking up the pieces.
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Did Dany even have a reaction to her second dragon dying besides shock? She even tries to reason with Cersei after it dies. I don't remember any scene where she cries or something.
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Anagram posted...

Did Dany even have a reaction to her second dragon dying besides shock? She even tries to reason with Cersei after it dies. I don't remember any scene where she cries or something.

She kept herself shut in her room on Dragonstone for days, refusing to eat or see anyone. It was just kinda time skipped over.
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I figured that reaction was more for Missandei
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mnkboy907 posted...

Anagram posted...

Did Dany even have a reaction to her second dragon dying besides shock? She even tries to reason with Cersei after it dies. I don't remember any scene where she cries or something.

She kept herself shut in her room on Dragonstone for days, refusing to eat or see anyone. It was just kinda time skipped over.

It saved her from being poisoned by Varys, and yeah, was just dropped.
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I dont think they're going to go back on it in any way. She explained it as ruling through fear, she's scared Jon might usurp her, sure. It feels like a hasty conclusion because it is, but the conclusion makes sense. Just not how we got here.

They could have either had her do something more controversial than burning the Tarlys before this (I still think this is a lame turning point that), or have limited her rampage to burning Cersei and the hostages in the Red Keep. The total indiscriminate rampage through the main town is the part that feels out of place.

I do think one of the biggest failures of the show is the unclear character motivations when you don't have the internal monologues of the books. Stannis burning Shireen was another moment where I felt they took huge leaps to get to.
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Nanis23 posted...

I wonder why American shows never use "flashbacks" like Anime do
I mean, a 20 seconds scene showing Daenerys remembering all the shit she went through this season (Jorah, Rheagal, "King in the North", Missandei) would have fixed so many "IT WAS TOO FASTTTTTTTTT" complaints

They literally did that in the episode's recap and it was cheesy as hell but apparently also not blatant enough for some thick skulls
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Imagine watching the episode recaps.
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I'm with foolmo on this one

The episode recap made it super obvious and if you didnt watch/pay attention to it that's your fault
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foolm0r0n posted...

They literally did that in the episode's recap and it was cheesy as hell but apparently also not blatant enough for some thick skulls

Was it part of the recap?

I think at least on hbogo it was attached to the start of the episode, you basically had to watch it.

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. I'm def gonna skip the one for this episode.
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I feel like it could have felt better if she burned the town on the way to the Red Keep, or continued burning the whole of King Landing after the Red Keep in a madness. But it didnt make sense for her to wait so long to attack the Red Keep, or to attack the peasants first or exclusively. At least she should have attacked the surrendering Lannister army first.

she never 'went mad', let alone suddenly. her character has been shown to very clearly be ruthless and love war crimes, make rash decisions (literally the entire show is her advisors convincing her not to do insane dumb things), and desire recovering her birthright (the iron throne) above all else. would she have preferred the westeros citizens love her and greet has as a liberator and cersei's head on a platter? sure! but they didn't. she sees herself as the rightful ruler, and if you don't love and want her to be the ruler she is going to take it anyway. its just the easy way. the stuff she did in essos was not out of the good in her heart (hence leaving), and a lot of the time she left places actually worse off than before she was there. she did it until she got an army to come to take the iron throne, thats it. the thing they could have used more time on was the feeling of alienation from the westerosi allies she has and jon snow as she loses her dragons and closest advisor, but she never 'went mad', she just stopped trying to win the throne through being beloved.

The books do a much better job of relaying the shitshow she is creating in Essos.

Not to mention the literal shitshow that is book Meereen.
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To compare here, it isn't JUST the ruthless nature of the mad king that earned him that nickname. He was legitimately an out of his mind, paranoid, agoraphobic weirdo who stopped eating and cutting his hair and fingernails and could only get an erection from burning someone alive. It went beyond your typical asshole nature of those who think of themselves as ordained rulers.

Targaryen woman bad.

harming innocents is explicitly against dany's policy and her heart though. stopping the rape of the lhazareen had absolutely benefit to dany - in fact it risked drogo's wrath - but she still did it.
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Now that Danys arc is complete it nearly mirrors Stannis. Why is Stannis still so gushed over when its cool to hate Dany.

Anyone else feeling Tyrion and Sansa as King and Queen after Dany and Jon get killed? Proposed prediction and maybe spoiler if I'm right below...

As in...Jon kills Grey Worm, Dany kills Jon, Arya kills Dany.

Tyrion maybe next Targaryen by blood (and dragon rider?!) or just king by being wed with Sansa?

That's my major guess.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

harming innocents is explicitly against dany's policy and her heart though. stopping the rape of the lhazareen had absolutely benefit to dany - in fact it risked drogo's wrath - but she still did it.

and look at what that got her.
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PerfectChaosZ posted...

Why is Stannis still so gushed over when its cool to hate Dany.

Because he is the one true king.

but mostly because it's book stannis people champion
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red13n posted...

SeabassDebeste posted...

harming innocents is explicitly against dany's policy and her heart though. stopping the rape of the lhazareen had absolutely benefit to dany - in fact it risked drogo's wrath - but she still did it.

and look at what that got her.

yeah most of the times she's made an attempt to help people or spare innocents it's backfired
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foolm0r0n posted...

Grey Worm on the throne with Bran as his hand

What did I say

(Grey Worm decided to let them choose so he is technically the leader of all of this)
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