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SaccharineSmile
05/17/19 10:36:27 AM
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Against abortion? Have a vasectomy.
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HypnoCoosh
05/17/19 10:37:05 AM
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Cut myself on the edge
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Soggy_Pocket
05/17/19 10:41:08 AM
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Then laws for women would never be passed.
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Sackgurl
05/17/19 10:58:13 AM
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the AL law was written by a woman
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 10:59:58 AM
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Sackgurl posted...
the AL law was written by a woman

And she's a traitor to her sex.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 11:01:40 AM
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No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.
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TennTux
05/17/19 11:10:28 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Sackgurl posted...
the AL law was written by a woman

And she's a traitor to her sex.

Lol
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CableZL
05/17/19 11:12:46 AM
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No one should be writing legislation based on religious beliefs.
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karlpilkington4
05/17/19 11:12:54 AM
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burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


I agree, except when it comes to another life that the women created through her voluntary actions.
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KStateKing17
05/17/19 11:14:51 AM
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CableZL posted...
No one should be writing legislation based on religious beliefs.

I agree with this and I come from a Christian household.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:17:14 AM
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TennTux posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Sackgurl posted...
the AL law was written by a woman

And she's a traitor to her sex.

Lol

Yeah, loss of bodily autonomy is really hilarious.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 11:17:22 AM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.


I agree, except when it comes to another life that the women created through her voluntary actions.


Celery is technically alive so careful
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 11:18:15 AM
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imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore
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inloveanddeath0
05/17/19 11:19:19 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Sackgurl posted...
the AL law was written by a woman

And she's a traitor to her sex.

You serious?
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Duncanwii
05/17/19 11:20:31 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore

It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too.
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Paragon21XX
05/17/19 11:23:08 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore

It's no worse then expelling a tapeworm. Unless you want to say killing a tapeworm is murder too.

I don't think you quite understand how to make valid comparisons.
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hollow_shrine
05/17/19 11:27:47 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore

When ignorance like this is allowed to persist despite decades of research pointing out how ignorant it is, you should be upset.

Well not you, obviously. But me, I wrote my first paper on this back in seventh grade using those 'debate prep' handbooks they write on controversial issues. The pro-life argument was wrongheaded then and hasn't evolved since.

You can imagine my frustration having to talk about it nearly twenty years later, to people who wanna be smug in their wrongness.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:28:44 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Sackgurl posted...
the AL law was written by a woman

And she's a traitor to her sex.

You serious?

Yeah. She's vile.
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inloveanddeath0
05/17/19 11:29:11 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore

When ignorance like this is allowed to persist despite decades of research pointing out how ignorant it is, you should be upset.

Well not you, obviously. But me, I wrote my first paper on this back in seventh grade using those 'debate prep' handbooks they write on controversial issues. The pro-life argument was wrongheaded then and hasn't evolved since.

You can imagine my frustration having to talk about it nearly twenty years later, to people who wanna be smug in their wrongness.

You seem holier than thou type
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hollow_shrine
05/17/19 11:31:44 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore

When ignorance like this is allowed to persist despite decades of research pointing out how ignorant it is, you should be upset.

Well not you, obviously. But me, I wrote my first paper on this back in seventh grade using those 'debate prep' handbooks they write on controversial issues. The pro-life argument was wrongheaded then and hasn't evolved since.

You can imagine my frustration having to talk about it nearly twenty years later, to people who wanna be smug in their wrongness.

You seem holier than thou type

Really? What gave you that impression? Look, a bitch is tired of constantly needing to center the feelings of those who don't deserve it. I can't convince people who aren't open to be convinced. I can let them know how much I think I'm better than them. Then we can both be tired.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:32:14 AM
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inloveanddeath0 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
imagine being this upset because you're not allowed to murder your own unborn child anymore

When ignorance like this is allowed to persist despite decades of research pointing out how ignorant it is, you should be upset.

Well not you, obviously. But me, I wrote my first paper on this back in seventh grade using those 'debate prep' handbooks they write on controversial issues. The pro-life argument was wrongheaded then and hasn't evolved since.

You can imagine my frustration having to talk about it nearly twenty years later, to people who wanna be smug in their wrongness.

You seem holier than thou type

He's right though.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 11:34:39 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
decades of research

Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder"
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GasMonkey
05/17/19 11:36:04 AM
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no no no.

laws shouldnt be written by any religous people, they cant be trusted.
dont force your petty dogma on others

wich is funny because bible states some 30 something times how abortion is ok or says babys in the womb arent people.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:36:17 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
decades of research

Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder"

You are speaking emotionally. The fact is that a fetus is not a person. Pick up a human biology textbook and educate yourself. Or continue screaming about how your feelings matter more than reality.
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DevsBro
05/17/19 11:36:26 AM
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We're not. We're making laws about murder.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:37:28 AM
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DevsBro posted...
We're not. We're making laws about murder.

Weird, cause no murder happens in an abortion.
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hollow_shrine
05/17/19 11:37:28 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
decades of research

Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder"

See? Opinions like this, don't deserve respect. They deserve to be upheld as an object lesson for the rest of us.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 11:37:53 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
The fact is that a fetus is not a person

A baby, from the moment of conception, is a unique blend of DNA from his or her mother and father. That DNA contains all the information of a brand new, one of a kind person. The cells begin dividing, growing, with their own blueprint.

That's called "being alive"
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 11:37:54 AM
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A bunch of women are pro-life too though.
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 11:38:35 AM
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burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.

So you're an anti-vaxxer?
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:39:51 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
The fact is that a fetus is not a person

A baby, from the moment of conception, is a unique blend of DNA from his or her mother and father. That DNA contains all the information of a brand new, one of a kind person. The cells begin dividing, growing, with their own blueprint.

That's called "being alive"

So? What does being unique mean in the context of robbing a woman of her own body?

You're not alive until you're born. Even the Bible says that.
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GasMonkey
05/17/19 11:39:55 AM
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A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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Paragon21XX
05/17/19 11:40:19 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
decades of research

Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder"

You are speaking emotionally. The fact is that a fetus is not a person. Pick up a human biology textbook and educate yourself. Or continue screaming about how your feelings matter more than reality.

A human is a human regardless of what the law says about personhood. And biology textbooks are agnostic regarding the law: they only use terms like fetus to be unambiguous in conversations and medical journals, not to dehumanize the unborn.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 11:41:22 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
You're not alive until you're born.

This is some "there are five lights" shit you're trying to do. I don't care how you try to dress it up, my guy.

There are only four lights, and abortion is the killing of an unborn child.
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Duncanwii
05/17/19 11:42:11 AM
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Paragon21XX posted...
unborn

This word is the key. When they are born they get rights. Not before.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:42:32 AM
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BilalPowell posted...
A bunch of women are pro-life too though.

Yes, there are lots of Aunt Lydias in the world.

Paragon21XX posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
decades of research

Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder"

You are speaking emotionally. The fact is that a fetus is not a person. Pick up a human biology textbook and educate yourself. Or continue screaming about how your feelings matter more than reality.

A human is a human regardless of what the law says about personhood. And biology textbooks are agnostic regarding the law: they only use terms like fetus to be unambiguous in conversations and medical journals, not to dehumanize the unborn.

Nah. It's potential to be a human at best as a fetus.
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Nidhoggr
05/17/19 11:43:42 AM
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Imagine wanting to be progressive so badly that you convince yourself that killing babies is fine.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 11:43:48 AM
#38:


BilalPowell posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.

So you're an anti-vaxxer?


The government cant hold you down and vaccinate you against your will.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:44:04 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
You're not alive until you're born.

This is some "there are five lights" shit you're trying to do. I don't care how you try to dress it up, my guy.

There are only four lights, and abortion is the killing of an unborn child.

You are certainly riled up.

It's not killing, and it's not a child. It's a fetus. It has no rights, nor does it deserve any, until it is born.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 11:44:34 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Nah. It's potential to be a human at best as a fetus.

I remember being an edgy kid about abortion when I was in high school through my early twenties. I used some of the exact same terminology and justifications that you're using right now... thank God I'm not a monster anymore. I'm ashamed of the person I used to be.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 11:45:15 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
You're not alive until you're born.

This is some "there are five lights" shit you're trying to do. I don't care how you try to dress it up, my guy.

There are only four lights, and abortion is the killing of an unborn child.

You are certainly riled up.

It's not killing, and it's not a child. It's a fetus. It has no rights, nor does it deserve any, until it is born.


Furthermore, it's not even a fetus until around 12 months when the brain and cerebral cortex start developing. Until then is a sack of embryos.
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 11:45:28 AM
#42:


burritosatan posted...
BilalPowell posted...
burritosatan posted...
No one should have the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do with their own body. Man or woman.

So you're an anti-vaxxer?


The government cant hold you down and vaccinate you against your will.

So yes.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:45:32 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Nah. It's potential to be a human at best as a fetus.

I remember being an edgy kid about abortion when I was in high school through my early twenties. I used some of the exact same terminology and justifications that you're using right now... thank God I'm not a monster anymore. I'm ashamed of the person I used to be.

Yes, deflect with an insult because you can't handle facts.
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Duncanwii
05/17/19 11:45:58 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
You're not alive until you're born.

This is some "there are five lights" shit you're trying to do. I don't care how you try to dress it up, my guy.

There are only four lights, and abortion is the killing of an unborn child.

You are certainly riled up.

It's not killing, and it's not a child. It's a fetus. It has no rights, nor does it deserve any, until it is born.

Just put him on ignore like I have. He isnt going to listen to reason.
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Gobstoppers12
05/17/19 11:47:07 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Yes, deflect with an insult because you can't handle facts

Fact: abortion kills a child.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:48:28 AM
#46:


Duncanwii posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
You're not alive until you're born.

This is some "there are five lights" shit you're trying to do. I don't care how you try to dress it up, my guy.

There are only four lights, and abortion is the killing of an unborn child.

You are certainly riled up.

It's not killing, and it's not a child. It's a fetus. It has no rights, nor does it deserve any, until it is born.

Just put him on ignore like I have. He isnt going to listen to reason.

That would probably be the wise thing to do.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Yes, deflect with an insult because you can't handle facts

Fact: abortion kills a child.

And here he continues to do just that.
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burritosatan
05/17/19 11:48:32 AM
#47:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Yes, deflect with an insult because you can't handle facts

Fact: abortion kills a child.


Question - how do you feel about the killing of animals?
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 11:49:39 AM
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Date out of stomach is kind of an arbitrary point in time to decide a child can no longer be murdered. People can't live independently until we're 18. Maybe that should be the legal abortion limit.
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_Rinku_
05/17/19 11:51:23 AM
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BilalPowell posted...
Date out of stomach is kind of an arbitrary point in time to decide a child can no longer be murdered. People can't live independently until we're 18. Maybe that should be the legal abortion limit.

It's less arbitrary than "when there's a detectable heartbeat" as if that has some spiritual meaning and isn't literally just a group of cells doing their specialized task.
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BilalPowell
05/17/19 11:52:39 AM
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Tbh I'm ok with within 3 months of finding out you're pregnant.
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