Current Events > Men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies

Topic List	Page List: 1 ... 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 2:52:40 AM #254:	LostForest posted... I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and I'm not pro-life. But I'd like to think the people who are so up in arms about telling women what to do with their bodies should stop and think for a moment about how that type of sentiment is what drives so many anti-vaxxers to call for people to stop telling parents what to do with their children's bodies. Like, I know the caveat here is abortion doesn't harm anyone, but to play devil's advocate, pro-lifers believe it harms an unborn child. I personally don't think it does since again, I'm pro-life, but just something for both sides to think about since there's some parallels here regarding legislated morality. You shouldn't coddle someone just because they're unwilling to learn the truth. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922085222] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and I'm not pro-life. But I'd like to think the people who are so up in arms about telling women what to do with their bodies should stop and think for a moment about how that type of sentiment is what drives so many anti-vaxxers to call for people to stop telling parents what to do with their children's bodies. Like, I know the caveat here is abortion doesn't harm anyone, but to play devil's advocate, pro-lifers believe it harms an unborn child. I personally don't think it does since again, I'm pro-life, but just something for both sides to think about since there's some parallels here regarding legislated morality.</quote> You shouldn't coddle someone just because they're unwilling to learn the truth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/19/19 3:10:52 AM #255:	"Women shouldn't be making laws about mens children" There, fight amongst yourselves --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:922085546] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>"Women shouldn't be making laws about mens children" There, fight amongst yourselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 05/19/19 3:15:58 AM #256:	eats popcorn --- Strider is something of a god of equine necro-brutality--Master ZED <cite>Strider102 posted [p:922085636] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>eats popcorn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Matchabuu_ 05/19/19 3:24:45 AM #257:	Gobstoppers12 posted... hollow_shrine posted... decades of research Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder" Actually the term for literal baby murder is infanticide --- \o/ uwu SW-0239-3946-8686 <cite>_Matchabuu_ posted [p:922085779] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>decades of research</quote> Decades of research can't change facts. Facts like "abortion is the clinical term for literal baby murder"</quote> Actually the term for literal baby murder is infanticide</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 6:51:24 AM #258:	Men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies So I guess we should undo roe v wade. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922088347] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies So I guess we should undo roe v wade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 05/19/19 7:00:54 AM #259:	_Rinku_ posted... Sackgurl posted... the AL law was written by a woman And she's a traitor to her sex. Maybe(just maybe) this isn't as simple as a men vs women thing --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922088462] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sackgurl posted...</cite> <quote>the AL law was written by a woman</quote> And she's a traitor to her sex.</quote> Maybe(just maybe) this isn't as simple as a men vs women thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/19/19 7:36:02 AM #260:	Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Sackgurl posted... the AL law was written by a woman And she's a traitor to her sex. Maybe(just maybe) this isn't as simple as a men vs women thing ridiculous! everyone knows all pro-lifers are religious extremists who only want to punish women! everyone knows that nobody cares about their children! --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:922089014] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sackgurl posted...</cite> <quote>the AL law was written by a woman</quote> And she's a traitor to her sex.</quote> Maybe(just maybe) this isn't as simple as a men vs women thing</quote> ridiculous! everyone knows all pro-lifers are religious extremists who only want to punish women! everyone knows that nobody cares about their children!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eridania67814 05/19/19 10:45:27 AM #261:	LostForest posted... I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and I'm not pro-life. But I'd like to think the people who are so up in arms about telling women what to do with their bodies should stop and think for a moment about how that type of sentiment is what drives so many anti-vaxxers to call for people to stop telling parents what to do with their children's bodies. Like, I know the caveat here is abortion doesn't harm anyone, but to play devil's advocate, pro-lifers believe it harms an unborn child. I personally don't think it does since again, I'm pro-life, but just something for both sides to think about since there's some parallels here regarding legislated morality. This is a good point. If anyone is arguing for abortions, it's because the fucking government shouldn't be telling me what I can and can't do with my body, and if a body is in my body, that's my personal space to do with as I will. So your children are your personal belongings, unless taken from you, and the government shouldn't be able to tell you how to raise them. I think someone made a condom with barbs in it so that if you somehow remember to wear it every time you don't want sex and take it out every time you do, only a rapist would cut up his dick on it and be easier to fine and confirm he did it. Now I'm sure with the US legal system, some motherfucker would try and rape a girl, get his dick cut up, go to the hospital and get bandaged up, and then try to sue the victim for damages just like burglars do when they break in to houses and get hurt but don't die. I'm saying if we have laws like "stand your ground" and those that allow you to kill someone trespassing, then how is it a person inside your person isn't subject to those things? Are we now saying a woman's body doesn't belong to her, that it's property of the State? --- -- - <cite>eridania67814 posted [p:922092637] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not an anti-vaxxer, and I'm not pro-life. But I'd like to think the people who are so up in arms about telling women what to do with their bodies should stop and think for a moment about how that type of sentiment is what drives so many anti-vaxxers to call for people to stop telling parents what to do with their children's bodies. Like, I know the caveat here is abortion doesn't harm anyone, but to play devil's advocate, pro-lifers believe it harms an unborn child. I personally don't think it does since again, I'm pro-life, but just something for both sides to think about since there's some parallels here regarding legislated morality.</quote> This is a good point. If anyone is arguing for abortions, it's because the fucking government shouldn't be telling me what I can and can't do with my body, and if a body is in my body, that's my personal space to do with as I will. So your children are your personal belongings, unless taken from you, and the government shouldn't be able to tell you how to raise them. I think someone made a condom with barbs in it so that if you somehow remember to wear it every time you don't want sex and take it out every time you do, only a rapist would cut up his dick on it and be easier to fine and confirm he did it. Now I'm sure with the US legal system, some motherfucker would try and rape a girl, get his dick cut up, go to the hospital and get bandaged up, and then try to sue the victim for damages just like burglars do when they break in to houses and get hurt but don't die. I'm saying if we have laws like "stand your ground" and those that allow you to kill someone trespassing, then how is it a person inside your person isn't subject to those things? Are we now saying a woman's body doesn't belong to her, that it's property of the State?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 10:53:52 AM #262:	Rika_Furude posted... Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Sackgurl posted... the AL law was written by a woman And she's a traitor to her sex. Maybe(just maybe) this isn't as simple as a men vs women thing ridiculous! everyone knows all pro-lifers are religious extremists who only want to punish women! everyone knows that nobody cares about their children! If she cared about children, she would be pushing for better education funding or programs to pay for prenatal care for the mother. This is about control. She is a traitor, as is any woman who wants to take the right to choose from women. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922092887] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sackgurl posted...</cite> <quote>the AL law was written by a woman</quote> And she's a traitor to her sex.</quote> Maybe(just maybe) this isn't as simple as a men vs women thing</quote> ridiculous! everyone knows all pro-lifers are religious extremists who only want to punish women! everyone knows that nobody cares about their children!</quote> If she cared about children, she would be pushing for better education funding or programs to pay for prenatal care for the mother. This is about control. She is a traitor, as is any woman who wants to take the right to choose from women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/19/19 4:31:26 PM #263:	_Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... _Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... _Rinku_ posted... Fuparulez posted... If men have no right to the contents of the woman's womb, women should have no right to the contents of the man's wallet. The woman doesn't; the child he created does. Now turn that argument around about a woman's womb. You are being intentionally obtuse about this. We have a wonderful medical procedure called an abortion that can solve this for a woman. There is nothing biologically a man can do to change his fate in this situation. You just want to deny this to women because you can't accept that there are physical differences at work here. You said the child has the right to the contents of it's father's wallet. Why is it different when it comes to having a right to it's mother's womb? Because she can kill the baby? All of your arguments seem to come from the idea "Life's not fair, unless it's not being fair to my side, then we need to make it fair". Because the man cannot stop the child from being born. It is physically impossible. He has a duty to support the child he created once it's born. That's where the unfairness comes in, but crying about it is a waste of time. If you want to continue being angry that women have an option that you don't simply because of biology, I don't know what to tell you. Learn to cope with it or continue to boil your own blood over it. Also learn that you can't force a woman to be an incubator against her will. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support Also, it's entirely physically possible for a man to end a woman's pregnancy. It's a crime, though. If you want to make the argument that it's a man's duty to support the child he created once it's born, then you have to accept that it's a woman's "duty" to support the child until it's born. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922103471] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>If men have no right to the contents of the woman's womb, women should have no right to the contents of the man's wallet.</quote> The woman doesn't; the child he created does.</quote> Now turn that argument around about a woman's womb.</quote> You are being intentionally obtuse about this. We have a wonderful medical procedure called an abortion that can solve this for a woman. There is nothing biologically a man can do to change his fate in this situation. You just want to deny this to women because you can't accept that there are physical differences at work here.</quote> You said the child has the right to the contents of it's father's wallet. Why is it different when it comes to having a right to it's mother's womb? Because she can kill the baby? All of your arguments seem to come from the idea "Life's not fair, unless it's not being fair to my side, then we need to make it fair".</quote> Because the man cannot stop the child from being born. It is physically impossible. He has a duty to support the child he created once it's born. That's where the unfairness comes in, but crying about it is a waste of time. If you want to continue being angry that women have an option that you don't simply because of biology, I don't know what to tell you. Learn to cope with it or continue to boil your own blood over it. Also learn that you can't force a woman to be an incubator against her will.</quote> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support Also, it's entirely physically possible for a man to end a woman's pregnancy. It's a crime, though. If you want to make the argument that it's a man's duty to support the child he created once it's born, then you have to accept that it's a woman's "duty" to support the child until it's born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 6:30:30 PM #264:	Ryo_the_Inferno posted... _Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... _Rinku_ posted... Ryo_the_Inferno posted... _Rinku_ posted... Fuparulez posted... If men have no right to the contents of the woman's womb, women should have no right to the contents of the man's wallet. The woman doesn't; the child he created does. Now turn that argument around about a woman's womb. You are being intentionally obtuse about this. We have a wonderful medical procedure called an abortion that can solve this for a woman. There is nothing biologically a man can do to change his fate in this situation. You just want to deny this to women because you can't accept that there are physical differences at work here. You said the child has the right to the contents of it's father's wallet. Why is it different when it comes to having a right to it's mother's womb? Because she can kill the baby? All of your arguments seem to come from the idea "Life's not fair, unless it's not being fair to my side, then we need to make it fair". Because the man cannot stop the child from being born. It is physically impossible. He has a duty to support the child he created once it's born. That's where the unfairness comes in, but crying about it is a waste of time. If you want to continue being angry that women have an option that you don't simply because of biology, I don't know what to tell you. Learn to cope with it or continue to boil your own blood over it. Also learn that you can't force a woman to be an incubator against her will. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support Also, it's entirely physically possible for a man to end a woman's pregnancy. It's a crime, though. If you want to make the argument that it's a man's duty to support the child he created once it's born, then you have to accept that it's a woman's "duty" to support the child until it's born. Not the issue here. Call your representatives about it. You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922107796] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fuparulez posted...</cite> <quote>If men have no right to the contents of the woman's womb, women should have no right to the contents of the man's wallet.</quote> The woman doesn't; the child he created does.</quote> Now turn that argument around about a woman's womb.</quote> You are being intentionally obtuse about this. We have a wonderful medical procedure called an abortion that can solve this for a woman. There is nothing biologically a man can do to change his fate in this situation. You just want to deny this to women because you can't accept that there are physical differences at work here.</quote> You said the child has the right to the contents of it's father's wallet. Why is it different when it comes to having a right to it's mother's womb? Because she can kill the baby? All of your arguments seem to come from the idea "Life's not fair, unless it's not being fair to my side, then we need to make it fair".</quote> Because the man cannot stop the child from being born. It is physically impossible. He has a duty to support the child he created once it's born. That's where the unfairness comes in, but crying about it is a waste of time. If you want to continue being angry that women have an option that you don't simply because of biology, I don't know what to tell you. Learn to cope with it or continue to boil your own blood over it. Also learn that you can't force a woman to be an incubator against her will.</quote> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support Also, it's entirely physically possible for a man to end a woman's pregnancy. It's a crime, though. If you want to make the argument that it's a man's duty to support the child he created once it's born, then you have to accept that it's a woman's "duty" to support the child until it's born.</quote> Not the issue here. Call your representatives about it. You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 6:41:21 PM #265:	_Rinku_ posted... You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922108253] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 6:44:53 PM #266:	karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported. You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922108385] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported.</quote> You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 6:50:42 PM #267:	_Rinku_ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported. You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die. 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922108618] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported.</quote> You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die.</quote> 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 7:16:55 PM #268:	karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported. You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die. 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger. Source your numbers if you want to be taken seriously. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922109598] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported.</quote> You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die.</quote> 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger.</quote> Source your numbers if you want to be taken seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WesternMedia 05/19/19 7:52:08 PM #270:	If fetuses are alive how come they cant get life insurance? Checkmate lifers. --- Cherish me <cite>WesternMedia posted [p:922111087] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>If fetuses are alive how come they cant get life insurance? Checkmate lifers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 7:59:58 PM #271:	_Rinku_ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported. You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die. 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger. Source your numbers if you want to be taken seriously. That's easy. We'll just take your stats that you decided not to post first and subtract it. We'll wait. But for fun, In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 19791986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births. It's actually less than 1% Your turn. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922111406] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported.</quote> You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die.</quote> 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger.</quote> Source your numbers if you want to be taken seriously.</quote> That's easy. We'll just take your stats that you decided not to post first and subtract it. We'll wait. But for fun, <quote>In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 19791986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births.</quote> It's actually less than 1% Your turn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 8:20:43 PM #272:	karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason. How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported. You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die. 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger. Source your numbers if you want to be taken seriously. That's easy. We'll just take your stats that you decided not to post first and subtract it. We'll wait. But for fun, In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 19791986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births. It's actually less than 1% Your turn. Ah, you're pretending that women won't die in back alley and home abortions. 68,000 die of that per year worldwide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/ And, again, women should have the right to decide if they want to take that risk. Try again. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922112352] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You are not making yourself look good or credible by talking about forcefully ending a woman's pregnancy. Stop being bitter about biology. You are being vindictive and selfish for no good reason.</quote> How is wanting to save a life, being selfish? Its a double standard, and shouldn't be supported.</quote> You're not saving a life by banning abortion; you are actively taking them. Women will die.</quote> 99% of women won't, 100% of the future children will, so there's that. Basic math says women are not the one's in danger.</quote> Source your numbers if you want to be taken seriously.</quote> That's easy. We'll just take your stats that you decided not to post first and subtract it. We'll wait. But for fun, <quote>In the United States, the maternal death rate averaged 9.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births during the years 19791986, but then rose rapidly to 14 per 100,000 in 2000 and 17.8 per 100,000 in 2009. In 2013 the rate was 18.5 deaths per 100,000 live births.</quote> It's actually less than 1% Your turn.</quote> Ah, you're pretending that women won't die in back alley and home abortions. 68,000 die of that per year worldwide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/ And, again, women should have the right to decide if they want to take that risk. Try again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 8:29:07 PM #273:	_Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922112677] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 05/19/19 8:33:15 PM #274:	Can we give criminals less harsh punishments if their actions result in the death of an unborn child regardless if the woman intends to keep their child or abort it? --- Strider is something of a god of equine necro-brutality--Master ZED <cite>Strider102 posted [p:922112853] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Can we give criminals less harsh punishments if their actions result in the death of an unborn child regardless if the woman intends to keep their child or abort it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 05/19/19 8:35:48 PM #275:	Christ this forum needs a better way to ignore. Had Rinku on ignore two days ago and just from being quoted I can see hes still shit posting the same vile stupidity. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:922112942] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Christ this forum needs a better way to ignore. Had Rinku on ignore two days ago and just from being quoted I can see hes still shit posting the same vile stupidity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 8:44:43 PM #276:	karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. It's not "killing" a "life." Nice that you think women should die for exercising the right to control their body. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922113342] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> It's not "killing" a "life." Nice that you think women should die for exercising the right to control their body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 05/19/19 8:45:20 PM #277:	karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. Strider102 posted... Can we give criminals less harsh punishments if their actions result in the death of an unborn child regardless if the woman intends to keep their child or abort it? This is already the case in places that arent already anti-abortion. The sentencing for feticide is usually akin to property damage. <cite>PBusted posted [p:922113367] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. <cite>Strider102 posted...</cite> <quote>Can we give criminals less harsh punishments if their actions result in the death of an unborn child regardless if the woman intends to keep their child or abort it?</quote> This is already the case in places that arent already anti-abortion. The sentencing for feticide is usually akin to property damage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 05/19/19 8:53:25 PM #278:	Id love for RvW to get overturned just to watch the meltdowns that would ensue from not being allowed to murder the unborn. Abortions should be a last option in situations where the mother could be gravely harmed by the pregnancy. Also, if the government would put as much effort into helping prospective parents adopt children, abortion wouldnt be seen as a way to avoid responsibility. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:922113740] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Id love for RvW to get overturned just to watch the meltdowns that would ensue from not being allowed to murder the unborn. Abortions should be a last option in situations where the mother could be gravely harmed by the pregnancy. Also, if the government would put as much effort into helping prospective parents adopt children, abortion wouldnt be seen as a way to avoid responsibility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 8:55:41 PM #279:	Strider102 posted... Can we give criminals less harsh punishments if their actions result in the death of an unborn child regardless if the woman intends to keep their child or abort it? That really depends on where you live. Some places treat it as double-homicide, others treat it like PBusted said. Personally, I'm mixed on how I feel about it. Legislation introduced to make it a double-homicide is often also used to erode abortion rights. On the other, I completely understand it feeling like a double-homicide to the people who wanted that pregnancy. It also robs the mother of her choice in the matter. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922113867] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Strider102 posted...</cite> <quote>Can we give criminals less harsh punishments if their actions result in the death of an unborn child regardless if the woman intends to keep their child or abort it?</quote> That really depends on where you live. Some places treat it as double-homicide, others treat it like PBusted said. Personally, I'm mixed on how I feel about it. Legislation introduced to make it a double-homicide is often also used to erode abortion rights. On the other, I completely understand it feeling like a double-homicide to the people who wanted that pregnancy. It also robs the mother of her choice in the matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 8:57:47 PM #280:	PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922113958] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 8:58:40 PM #281:	karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. Nah, it was the truth. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922114002] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> Nah, it was the truth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 05/19/19 9:07:11 PM #282:	Strictly speaking, double homicide cases don't actually hurt the argument for abortion as long as you understand the distinctions involved. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:922114382] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Strictly speaking, double homicide cases don't actually hurt the argument for abortion as long as you understand the distinctions involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 9:10:37 PM #283:	Dragonblade01 posted... Strictly speaking, double homicide cases don't actually hurt the argument for abortion as long as you understand the distinctions involved. I wish the "outlaw abortion" crowd understood it better. Feels like you can't give them an inch on this, or they'll take a mile. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922114519] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Strictly speaking, double homicide cases don't actually hurt the argument for abortion as long as you understand the distinctions involved.</quote> I wish the "outlaw abortion" crowd understood it better. Feels like you can't give them an inch on this, or they'll take a mile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 05/19/19 9:19:40 PM #284:	karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about. <cite>PBusted posted [p:922114841] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/19/19 10:32:31 PM #285:	PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about. I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922117921] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about.</quote> I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Austin_Era_II 05/19/19 10:33:37 PM #286:	Equal rights. Women need to relax. Get elected and make your own laws. Learn the rules of law making. Jeez. --- The Original PSN: deznutzbust69 <cite>Austin_Era_II posted [p:922117995] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>Equal rights. Women need to relax. Get elected and make your own laws. Learn the rules of law making. Jeez.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 05/19/19 10:59:38 PM #287:	I am very much pro choice. Honestly though, I'm way more bothered by the arguments coming from pro choice people than pro life people. The thing I have to give to pro life people is that their arguments tend to be more consistent and less contradictory even though I disagree with their stance. I keep seeing weird straw man arguments from pro choice people where they assume the other persons vaguely related political positions. Typically pro life people think life begins at conception and typically that is a religiously fueled idea (though you can definitely argue that while being atheist). They feel outlawing abortions decreases abortions. Pro choice stances inherently seem a lot more convoluted. Though that depends. For instance, I am pro choice, but generally pretty anti abortion. My stance comes down to believing abortion is mostly wrong, but I don't believe it should be attempted to be reduced or banned through legislation that criminalizes the act. I think the option should be available, but I believe it is a poor option. There is more nuance to my opinion than that, but that is the gist. Arguing that men shouldn't be able to make laws that only effect women is dumb. The reason being that abortion clearly effects more than women (though it still is mostly a women's issue) and females are sometimes pro life and thus can be the constituents of these male legislators. Being a pro life woman isn't being a traitor to your sex though I'd still argue it is a stupid position to hold for other reasons. Honestly, people should just be responsible in choosing sexual partners and in their use of contraceptives. That alone solves the vast majority of problems stemming from this though I get that people making mistakes is a part of life. I mostly wish that pro life people would give up this battle on the legislative front and enact various types of social programs that make carrying a baby to term an easier solution. Stuff like shelters for pregnant women, better adoption and foster child programs, daycare, job placement for expecting mothers, etc. A lot of churches do offer various programs like this, but I wish they would be the only real focus in preventing and/or reducing abortion rates. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:922119248] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>I am very much pro choice. Honestly though, I'm way more bothered by the arguments coming from pro choice people than pro life people. The thing I have to give to pro life people is that their arguments tend to be more consistent and less contradictory even though I disagree with their stance. I keep seeing weird straw man arguments from pro choice people where they assume the other persons vaguely related political positions. Typically pro life people think life begins at conception and typically that is a religiously fueled idea (though you can definitely argue that while being atheist). They feel outlawing abortions decreases abortions. Pro choice stances inherently seem a lot more convoluted. Though that depends. For instance, I am pro choice, but generally pretty anti abortion. My stance comes down to believing abortion is mostly wrong, but I don't believe it should be attempted to be reduced or banned through legislation that criminalizes the act. I think the option should be available, but I believe it is a poor option. There is more nuance to my opinion than that, but that is the gist. Arguing that men shouldn't be able to make laws that only effect women is dumb. The reason being that abortion clearly effects more than women (though it still is mostly a women's issue) and females are sometimes pro life and thus can be the constituents of these male legislators. Being a pro life woman isn't being a traitor to your sex though I'd still argue it is a stupid position to hold for other reasons. Honestly, people should just be responsible in choosing sexual partners and in their use of contraceptives. That alone solves the vast majority of problems stemming from this though I get that people making mistakes is a part of life. I mostly wish that pro life people would give up this battle on the legislative front and enact various types of social programs that make carrying a baby to term an easier solution. Stuff like shelters for pregnant women, better adoption and foster child programs, daycare, job placement for expecting mothers, etc. A lot of churches do offer various programs like this, but I wish they would be the only real focus in preventing and/or reducing abortion rates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 05/19/19 11:00:52 PM #288:	karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about. I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons. They are all evidence of justified homicide, which abortion is one of, against your stupid line of logic that killing should always be a crime. Taking a non-sentient being out of a body of an unconsenting girl is perfectly justifiable in order to uphold bodily autonomy. And weve already established you dont care about the well being of the potential child after its born anyway so saving them from living a squalid unloved life before they actually become a conscious person is actually doing them a favor too. The president, the leader of the party youre with is aiming to pardon servicemen whove killed people illegally so he proves you wrong too. Youve always been known as the party of hypocrisy though so no one is surprised. <cite>PBusted posted [p:922119306] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about.</quote> I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons.</quote> They are all evidence of justified homicide, which abortion is one of, against your stupid line of logic that killing should always be a crime. Taking a non-sentient being out of a body of an unconsenting girl is perfectly justifiable in order to uphold bodily autonomy. And weve already established you dont care about the well being of the potential child after its born anyway so saving them from living a squalid unloved life before they actually become a conscious person is actually doing them a favor too. The president, the leader of the party youre with is aiming to pardon servicemen whove killed people illegally so he proves you wrong too. Youve always been known as the party of hypocrisy though so no one is surprised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 05/19/19 11:54:06 PM #289:	TommyG663513 posted... Personally, I find the opposite; Pro-Choice is pretty consistent: women should have the right to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. Pro-Life seems to waver in whether or not rape and incest exceptions should be allowed (and why or why not to allow them) as well as whether or not IVF is "good." "The egg in the lab doesnt apply. Its not in a woman. Shes not pregnant." Quote from Clyde Chambliss, one of the Alabama state Senators who authored its recent abortion ban bill. That sentence in particular screams out to me that, for these people, this literally isn't about protecting a potential life; it's about punishing women. I know that doesn't necessarily mean that every pro-life person holds that exact view. I do find it strange that I never hear large-scale outrage over the large quantities of frozen embryos (not eggs; fertilized embryos) that are discarded as medical waste, or "selectively reduced" after being implanted. I promise I'm not trying to move goalposts here, but straight up, why doesn't the mainstream care about that? I maintain that Terri Collins is a traitor to her sex, as is anyone who wants to strip freedoms from their sex. Maybe it's because I actually live in Alabama and have had to hear her talk on the local stations, but I can't stand her. There's also the fact that she voted to allow adoption agencies to discriminate against potential parents based on their religion. That's not something who cares about children would do, imo. She also voted to allow drivers to smoke in their cars with children present. Even if you are responsible with your contraceptives, they can still fail. You bring up a great point with the idea of creating more social safety nets. Along that line, I wish comprehensive sex education would be taught in all schools. I went to a high school in Alabama and was only told the usual abstinence spiel. I even asked about condoms, in the eleventh grade, and the teacher glared at me and scoffed that "We wouldn't be talking about that in [her] class." I hope this doesn't come off as antagonistic. Though I don't agree with you on several points, I appreciate the thoughtful way you've conveyed them. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922121792] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> Personally, I find the opposite; Pro-Choice is pretty consistent: women should have the right to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. Pro-Life seems to waver in whether or not rape and incest exceptions should be allowed (and why or why not to allow them) as well as whether or not IVF is "good." "The egg in the lab doesnt apply. Its not in a woman. Shes not pregnant." Quote from Clyde Chambliss, one of the Alabama state Senators who authored its recent abortion ban bill. That sentence in particular screams out to me that, for these people, this literally isn't about protecting a potential life; it's about punishing women. I know that doesn't necessarily mean that every pro-life person holds that exact view. I do find it strange that I never hear large-scale outrage over the large quantities of frozen embryos (not eggs; fertilized embryos) that are discarded as medical waste, or "selectively reduced" after being implanted. I promise I'm not trying to move goalposts here, but straight up, why doesn't the mainstream care about that? I maintain that Terri Collins is a traitor to her sex, as is anyone who wants to strip freedoms from their sex. Maybe it's because I actually live in Alabama and have had to hear her talk on the local stations, but I can't stand her. There's also the fact that she voted to allow adoption agencies to discriminate against potential parents based on their religion. That's not something who cares about children would do, imo. She also voted to allow drivers to smoke in their cars with children present. Even if you are responsible with your contraceptives, they can still fail. You bring up a great point with the idea of creating more social safety nets. Along that line, I wish comprehensive sex education would be taught in all schools. I went to a high school in Alabama and was only told the usual abstinence spiel. I even asked about condoms, in the eleventh grade, and the teacher glared at me and scoffed that "We wouldn't be talking about that in [her] class." I hope this doesn't come off as antagonistic. Though I don't agree with you on several points, I appreciate the thoughtful way you've conveyed them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryo_the_Inferno 05/20/19 9:04:48 PM #290:	WesternMedia posted... If fetuses are alive how come they cant get life insurance? Checkmate lifers. Because they don't have money. We need to repeal fetus labor laws, obviously. --- 3DS FC: 3222-6077-2683 <cite>Ryo_the_Inferno posted [p:922159242] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>WesternMedia posted...</cite> <quote>If fetuses are alive how come they cant get life insurance? Checkmate lifers.</quote> Because they don't have money. We need to repeal fetus labor laws, obviously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 05/20/19 10:59:31 PM #291:	PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Try again. Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about. I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons. They are all evidence of justified homicide (only scientifically, since homicide is a legal term which defines person, and fetuses dont have personhood), which abortion is one of, against your stupid line of logic that killing should always be a crime. Taking a non-sentient being out of a body of an unconsenting girl is perfectly justifiable in order to uphold bodily autonomy. And weve already established you dont care about the well being of the potential child after its born anyway so saving them from living a squalid unloved life before they actually become a conscious person is actually doing them a favor too. The president, the leader of the party youre with is aiming to pardon servicemen whove killed people illegally so he proves you wrong too. Youve always been known as the party of hypocrisy though so no one is surprised. Why do shit posters on this forum always resort to this unsubstantiated claim as to people that are not callous to human life? Its like such a spotlight to their dishonest and unintelligent debate skills. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:922164130] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote> Try again.</quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about.</quote> I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons.</quote> They are all evidence of justified homicide (only scientifically, since homicide is a legal term which defines person, and fetuses dont have personhood), which abortion is one of, against your stupid line of logic that killing should always be a crime. Taking a non-sentient being out of a body of an unconsenting girl is perfectly justifiable in order to uphold bodily autonomy. And weve already established you dont care about the well being of the potential child after its born anyway so saving them from living a squalid unloved life before they actually become a conscious person is actually doing them a favor too. The president, the leader of the party youre with is aiming to pardon servicemen whove killed people illegally so he proves you wrong too. Youve always been known as the party of hypocrisy though so no one is surprised.</quote>Why do shit posters on this forum always resort to this unsubstantiated claim as to people that are not callous to human life? Its like such a spotlight to their dishonest and unintelligent debate skills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/20/19 11:31:52 PM #292:	thanosibe posted... Why do shit posters on this forum always resort to this unsubstantiated claim as to people that are not callous to human life? Its like such a spotlight to their dishonest and unintelligent debate skills. Yea, it was so ridiculous, I didn't even care to reply. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922165299] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>Why do shit posters on this forum always resort to this unsubstantiated claim as to people that are not callous to human life? Its like such a spotlight to their dishonest and unintelligent debate skills.</quote> Yea, it was so ridiculous, I didn't even care to reply.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 05/20/19 11:45:10 PM #293:	thanosibe posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... PBusted posted... karlpilkington4 posted... Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot. Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony. Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about. I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons. They are all evidence of justified homicide (only scientifically, since homicide is a legal term which defines person, and fetuses dont have personhood), which abortion is one of, against your stupid line of logic that killing should always be a crime. Taking a non-sentient being out of a body of an unconsenting girl is perfectly justifiable in order to uphold bodily autonomy. And weve already established you dont care about the well being of the potential child after its born anyway so saving them from living a squalid unloved life before they actually become a conscious person is actually doing them a favor too. The president, the leader of the party youre with is aiming to pardon servicemen whove killed people illegally so he proves you wrong too. Youve always been known as the party of hypocrisy though so no one is surprised. Why do shit posters on this forum always resort to this unsubstantiated claim as to people that are not callous to human life? Its like such a spotlight to their dishonest and unintelligent debate skills. Hes said other people shouldnt pay for the womans actions. But how else would an irresponsible woman in poverty be able to provide for children without taking from the government and by extension taxpayers? Unless you want children living like this https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-florida-mom-arrested-child-neglect-charges-20190513-k5adue4nhzaozarwijuq45v62e-story.html which is inevitable if abortion is outlawed with the hundreds of thousands of children now in the hands of people that cant provide for them. And youre the last person to talk about shitposters when youre known for your meltdowns. <cite>PBusted posted [p:922165861] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote> Killing a life should be a crime. It should never be a right. If women want to find some "back alley" and kill a life, they should face the consequences of their actions. Your point is literally moot.</quote> Wrong. In self-defense, defense of another, or euthanasia and pulling the plug on brain dead patients (which fetuses are less than). The president is aiming to pardon war criminals. Everything you post is ignorant garbage. </quote> We're talking about abortion, not self defense. Your last sentence is the text book definition of irony.</quote> Moving the goalposts. You posted a blanket you have no right to end a life statement which is a moronic post typical of you. I also gave you several other examples besides self defense. Well just pile on the definition of irony on the gigantic list of things youre ignorant about.</quote> I didnt move jack. You simply wanted to get a quick win in an argument, and failed because you thought being intentionally obtuse was an actual strategy. All of your examples were awful, specifically the one about self defense. A person on life support who is dying is literally the opposite of a healthy fetus about to be born. And idk what the fuck youre going on about with the president and pardons.</quote> They are all evidence of justified homicide (only scientifically, since homicide is a legal term which defines person, and fetuses dont have personhood), which abortion is one of, against your stupid line of logic that killing should always be a crime. Taking a non-sentient being out of a body of an unconsenting girl is perfectly justifiable in order to uphold bodily autonomy. And weve already established you dont care about the well being of the potential child after its born anyway so saving them from living a squalid unloved life before they actually become a conscious person is actually doing them a favor too. The president, the leader of the party youre with is aiming to pardon servicemen whove killed people illegally so he proves you wrong too. Youve always been known as the party of hypocrisy though so no one is surprised.</quote>Why do shit posters on this forum always resort to this unsubstantiated claim as to people that are not callous to human life? Its like such a spotlight to their dishonest and unintelligent debate skills.</quote> Hes said other people shouldnt pay for the womans actions. But how else would an irresponsible woman in poverty be able to provide for children without taking from the government and by extension taxpayers? Unless you want children living like this https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-florida-mom-arrested-child-neglect-charges-20190513-k5adue4nhzaozarwijuq45v62e-story.html which is inevitable if abortion is outlawed with the hundreds of thousands of children now in the hands of people that cant provide for them. And youre the last person to talk about shitposters when youre known for your meltdowns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaccharineSmile 05/21/19 8:07:24 PM #294:	https://variety.com/2019/film/news/kristen-wiig-new-movie-pulls-out-of-georgia-1203222635/ Good to see people are already taking a stand --- Sent from my IPhone X <cite>SaccharineSmile posted [p:922201268] in Men should... [t:77721579]...</cite> <quote>https://variety.com/2019/film/news/kristen-wiig-new-movie-pulls-out-of-georgia-1203222635/ Good to see people are already taking a stand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1 ... 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Current Events > Men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Men shouldn't be making laws about women's bodies