Current Events > does it disturb you that America is now the "bad guy" country?

(+) Yeah! (+)

We've been the bad country for quite a while.
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Meh, the population is good, government is questionable. So not really shocking
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Jeez. Now they're saying the Cold War was unjust?

Oh, I forgot. Socialism is a good thing and the communists were the good guys all along. Stalin just wanted to give everyone an equal share of the wealth and a complimentary bouquet of flowers.

Irony posted...

There are at least 40 countries worse than the US and yes multiple are in Europe.

Uh you realize that would still make us one of the worst countries? And means there are some pretty shitty third-world countries better than us. Kind of a failure post.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

averagejoel posted...

America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence

Even if that is true, why should the US care about that? Most other countries are largely irrelevant aside from trade, and they will continue to maintain their relationships according to what they can get from the US and how much its going to cost. Of course the US has to also be extremely mindful of potential threats such as China and Russia, so Americans should strive towards improving their relationship with them.

that's a completely different question

but the US has been and/or continues to be a major antagonizing force (easily the major antagonizing force) for a large portion of South and Central America, as well as the Middle East and various parts of Asia. calling those countries "irrelevant" is extremely short-sighted and US-centric.
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RiderofHogs posted...

EverDownward posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?

I got a suspension for posting about some of the stuff that goes on in China.

I got modded for mentioning that in certain parts of China they eat a certain animal commonly kept as pets here in America :<
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

EverDownward posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?

I got a suspension for posting about some of the stuff that goes on in China.

I got modded for mentioning that in certain parts of China they eat a certain animal commonly kept as pets here in America :<

Weird. I eat Goldfish all the time
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Really? I don't care for them anymore. I used to love them as a kid, but around middle school I just stopped eating them :<
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@averagejoel

Did you ever find a source for those claims you made?
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Immigrants should look elsewhere, then, if this country is the fascist shithole so many claim it to be. Canada, maybe?

Varandil posted...

Zikten posted...

averagejoel posted...

America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence

So we were on the evil side in ww2?

Given that WW2 was evil vs evil, yes.

A world dominated by German National Socialism would have been far, far worse.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Ivany2008 posted...

First the Egyptians, then the Mongols, then the Romans, and now the Americans.

I think your timeline is a bit wonky there

Is it? I thought the Egyptians would have been a couple thousand years ago, then the Mongols somewhere after that. Maybe its reverse, I don't know.

Sativa_Rose posted...

@averagejoel

Did you ever find a source for those claims you made?

you mean the ones that you already dismissed as communist propaganda?
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andromedadude3 posted...

Immigrants should look elsewhere, then, if this country is the fascist shithole so many claim it to be. Canada, maybe?

Varandil posted...

Zikten posted...

averagejoel posted...

America has been the "bad guy" country for pretty much the entirety of its existence

So we were on the evil side in ww2?

Given that WW2 was evil vs evil, yes.

A world dominated by German National Socialism would have been far, far worse.

actually, I said earlier in the topic that WW2 was one of the periods where the US was arguably not the bad guy
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anyway, @Sativa_Rose, a good place to start would be by googling the Jeju Uprising
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Seriously, it feels like were Germans of 1940
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With Russia, North Korea, and China around I think someone is jumping the gun big time.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

This is 100% communist propaganda.

that is false.

it's not even uncommon knowledge

Got a source?

Curtis Lemay himself.
"Right at the start of the war, unofficially I slipped a message in under the carpet in the Pentagon that we ought to turn SAC loose with incendiaries on some North Korean towns. The answer came back, under the carpet again, that there would be too many civilian casualties; we couldn't do anything like that. So we went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too. We even burned down Pusan-an accident, but we burned it down anyway. The Marines started a battle down there with no enemy in sight. Over a period of three years or so, we killed off-what-twenty percent of the population of Korea as direct casualties of war, or from starvation and exposure? Over a period of three years, this seemed to be acceptable to everybody, but to kill a few people at the start right away, no, we cant seem to stomach that."
Strategic Air Warfare: An Interview with Generals (1988)
He's actually wrong. Most historians place the number at closer to 13-14%
The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea, more than during the whole Pacific campaign of World War II.
USAF assessments at the end of the war assessed the destruction of North Korea's 22 major cities at the following numbers.
Anju15%
Chinnampo 80%
Chongju 60%
Haeju 75%
Hamhung 80%
Hungnam 85%
Hwangju 97%
Kanggye60%
Kunu-ri 100%
Kyomipo 80%
Musan 5%
Najin 5%
Pyongyang 75%
Sariwon 95%
Sinanj 100%
Sinuij 50%
Songjin 50%
Sunan 90%
Unggi 5%
Wonsan 80%
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twitterfriends posted...

Seriously, it feels like were Germans of 1940

I'm not sure if you're insinuating we're like Weimar, Germany, or National Socialist Germany.
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Well, its weird in a way. America is the place everyone seems to wanna be, yet its like the entire world also fuckin hates it.

People here bitch about racism and prejudice and social injustices when that kinda shit is WAY more prevalent in other parts of the world. America isnt perfect, but its a hell of a better than some places you could go.

Take a trip to the Middle East and be openly homosexual. See what they think of your human rights there. Or just be a woman over there. Seriously. People forget just how shitty it can be in some of these countries where you have no human rights. No free speech.

So yeah. Fuck people hating on America, honestly.

Kensaimage posted...

Well, its weird in a way. America is the place everyone seems to wanna be, yet its like the entire world also fuckin hates it.

People here bitch about racism and prejudice and social injustices when that kinda shit is WAY more prevalent in other parts of the world. America isnt perfect, but its a hell of a better than some places you could go.

Take a trip to the Middle East and be openly homosexual. See what they think of your human rights there. Or just be a woman over there. Seriously. People forget just how shitty it can be in some of these countries where you have no human rights. No free speech.

So yeah. Fuck people hating on America, honestly.

"Not as bad as the Middle East" is not the endorsement you think it is.
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only america and some of its lap dogs think they are the good guys.

every other country knows they are the bad guys. number 1 enemy and obstacle of world peace.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

EverDownward posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

Lol, suspended for calling China out on their bullshit

What?

I got a suspension for posting about some of the stuff that goes on in China.

I got modded for mentioning that in certain parts of China they eat a certain animal commonly kept as pets here in America :<

Yeah, I have been hit on that too. Certain fact are apparently not allowed here.
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JamesVanDerBeek posted...

Yes, murder is better than a anti-abortion bill.

remember when america murdered a bunch of civilians at a middle eastern hospital then investigated themselves and blamed the missle?
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ModLogic posted...

JamesVanDerBeek posted...

Yes, murder is better than a anti-abortion bill.

remember when america murdered a bunch of civilians at a middle eastern hospital then investigated themselves and blamed the missle?

If gun are to blame than obviously so are missles.
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averagejoel posted...

anyway, @Sativa_Rose, a good place to start would be by googling the Jeju Uprising

This is in the wiki article at the top

Fearing the elections would further reinforce division, guerrilla fighters of the communist South Korean Labor Party (SKLP) reacted with protests by attacking local police and rightist paramilitary groups stationed on Jeju Island.[4]:166167[5]

Though atrocities were committed by both sides, historians have noted that the methods used by the South Korean government to suppress protesters and rebels were especially cruel.[4]:171[5][6]:1314 On one occasion, American soldiers discovered the bodies of 97 people including children, killed by government forces. On another, American soldiers reported government police forces carrying out an execution of 76 villagers, including women and children

So the communist guerillas attacked and the South Korean government cracked down way too brutally. Then US soldiers discovered what happened and reported it to their superiors. Also it says elsewhere in the article that there were only 6 Americans on the island according to one of the American officers there.

So this doesn't really convince me at all that the US involvement in the Korean War was evil.
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The US has been the Donald Trump of countries long before Donald Trump actually got to run the thing.

America has always been the villain. Everybody wants to root for a good villain.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

the civilians of korea

are pretty damn thankful that we saved them from being invaded by the North in the Korean War, or at least the ones in South Korea are. Seriously, North Korea nearly took over all of South Korea in the Korean War. Look up the Pusan Perimeter. North Korea had taken over everything but the very southeastern corner of Korea.

Try learning a thing or two before spouting off these talking points.

Note: The UK played a major part in that war as well.
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CloneTheHero posted...

PokemonYoutube posted...

Irony posted...

There are at least 40 countries worse than the US and yes multiple are in Europe.

Name them.

spain, england, germany, netherlands, portugal, belgium, russia

were involved in invasions that occupied africa, latin america, and parts of asia. many of the aforementioned countries brought slavery back to europe and their colonies (portugal began the slave trade and the rest followed suit)

But not the rest of the UK? @CloneTheHero
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Herugrim posted...

We've always been the bad guys and will continue to be as long as we have the second amendment. People from more liberal countries can never seem to get past that.

Personally I'd rather not live somewhere like the UK where you can get arrested for dirty jokes and silverware.

You cant get arrested for dirty jokes or silverware but you keep on living the ignorant American strereotype. @Herugrim
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America's still the best country so I ain't worried about it.

"Now"?
We've been poking our noses into and starting shit with other people since the 1950s.
Although I did of course support annihilating Al-Qeada and Bin Laden for obvious reasons. And we should have taken out Pakistan too since the bastards we're helping to hide him. He was a mile from their version of West Point for god sake.
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only certain demographics think America are the "good guys," and they're a minority as far as the world goes. even a large amount of Americans don't consider the American government "good."
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

only certain demographics think America are the "good guys,"

and usually those people are brainwashed by the us government way more than "evul camunests" they like to mention
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WesternMedia posted...

I was going to make a post about how theyre more the douchebag country but theyre still good compared to the real evil countries like North Korea and Saudi Arabia but then I remembered the US supports SA. And then I remembered Saudi Arabia is in the UN and plenty of other countries also ally with them. So there arent any good guy countries. Feels bad.

This is more correct. America is not the bad guy, they are only arguably A bad guy.
And even then, plenty of good has come out of America as well.

Pretty much every country has some participation in atrocities or complacency with them.
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au_gold posted...

America has always been the villain. Everybody wants to root for a good villain.

Yeah, but we're not a cool villain like Razor Ramon. We're like...Ted DiBiase, who was also likeable, granted. But he wasn't cool, like Razor.
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america isn't a fucking bad guy, good grief

We've always looked out for our own interests, just like every other country on the planet. If some nations or ethnic groups get screwed over in the process, well tough shit that's the great game between great powers for ya. International politics is not nice even in our supposedly more "civilized" age, it's step on or be stepped on.
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They hate us cause they ain't us

ScazarMeltex posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

This is 100% communist propaganda.

that is false.

it's not even uncommon knowledge

Got a source?

Curtis Lemay himself.
"Right at the start of the war, unofficially I slipped a message in under the carpet in the Pentagon that we ought to turn SAC loose with incendiaries on some North Korean towns. The answer came back, under the carpet again, that there would be too many civilian casualties; we couldn't do anything like that. So we went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too. We even burned down Pusan-an accident, but we burned it down anyway. The Marines started a battle down there with no enemy in sight. Over a period of three years or so, we killed off-what-twenty percent of the population of Korea as direct casualties of war, or from starvation and exposure? Over a period of three years, this seemed to be acceptable to everybody, but to kill a few people at the start right away, no, we cant seem to stomach that."
Strategic Air Warfare: An Interview with Generals (1988)
He's actually wrong. Most historians place the number at closer to 13-14%
The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea, more than during the whole Pacific campaign of World War II.
USAF assessments at the end of the war assessed the destruction of North Korea's 22 major cities at the following numbers.
Anju15%
Chinnampo 80%
Chongju 60%
Haeju 75%
Hamhung 80%
Hungnam 85%
Hwangju 97%
Kanggye60%
Kunu-ri 100%
Kyomipo 80%
Musan 5%
Najin 5%
Pyongyang 75%
Sariwon 95%
Sinanj 100%
Sinuij 50%
Songjin 50%
Sunan 90%
Unggi 5%
Wonsan 80%

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.
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spikethedevil posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

the civilians of korea

are pretty damn thankful that we saved them from being invaded by the North in the Korean War, or at least the ones in South Korea are. Seriously, North Korea nearly took over all of South Korea in the Korean War. Look up the Pusan Perimeter. North Korea had taken over everything but the very southeastern corner of Korea.

Try learning a thing or two before spouting off these talking points.

Note: The UK played a major part in that war as well.

Yes, it was an intervention under the United Nations. Odd how many people overlook that aspect.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.

South Korea was the aggressor. Syngman Rhee, the leader of SK at the time, was the US' main dude over there. he was also the major war monger
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averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.

South Korea was the aggressor. Syngman Rhee, the leader of SK at the time, was the US' main dude over there. he was also the major war monger

You're not going to convince anyone of this drivel. I doubt you've even convinced yourself.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.

South Korea was the aggressor. Syngman Rhee, the leader of SK at the time, was the US' main dude over there. he was also the major war monger

You're not going to convince anyone of this drivel. I doubt you've even convinced yourself.

what do you mean, "convince"? it's not ambiguous
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The idea that the ROK was the aggressor is utter nonsense and you know it.
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averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.

South Korea was the aggressor. Syngman Rhee, the leader of SK at the time, was the US' main dude over there. he was also the major war monger

North Korea was the aggressor, despite whatever fantasies Noam Chomsky has going on in his head.
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I think the people who live in bad countries like North Korea would laugh at anyone who would consider the US a bad country.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.

South Korea was the aggressor. Syngman Rhee, the leader of SK at the time, was the US' main dude over there. he was also the major war monger

You're not going to convince anyone of this drivel. I doubt you've even convinced yourself.

I'm not going to touch the "South Korea was the real aggressor" thing, but it is worth noting that Syngman Rhee was very much not a great dude and that his government killed a fuckton of people
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PleaseClap posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

averagejoel posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

It's pretty hard to win a war after it turns into a brutal stalemate, and unfortunately brutal stalemates are the worst kind of war when it comes to civilian casualties. Much could have been avoided had the Chinese not entered on the North Korean side of the war, or if North Korea hadn't tried to invade South Korea in the first place.

South Korea was the aggressor. Syngman Rhee, the leader of SK at the time, was the US' main dude over there. he was also the major war monger

You're not going to convince anyone of this drivel. I doubt you've even convinced yourself.

I'm not going to touch the "South Korea was the real aggressor" thing, but it is worth noting that Syngman Rhee was very much not a great dude and that his government killed a fuckton of people

and that basically all the people actually talking about a war were south korean
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Sativa

literally tried to make excuse for the bengali famine

i wouldn't waste your time with him

I believe he has also made excuses

for blackwater
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