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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:07:18 PM
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Lack of merch on every corner =/= lack of cultural impact. Avatar's push for 3d, cinema screen/projector innovation, groundbreaking cgi, motion capture, etc. directly affected out culture in many ways. There are plenty of blockbuster movies with no cultural impact whatsoever, but Avatar is not one of them.
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Seto-Kaiba
05/18/19 10:12:45 PM
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I don't even know the names of any of the characters in Avatar.
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05/18/19 10:12:55 PM
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Agreed.
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darkphoenix181
05/18/19 10:14:57 PM
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Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:16:30 PM
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Seto-Kaiba posted...
I don't even know the names of any of the characters in Avatar.


You can say that to any cultural impact movies from the 70s 80s or 90s

Like how is not knowing characters names in movies = movie didnt do anything for mankind?
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darkphoenix181
05/18/19 10:17:39 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
Seto-Kaiba posted...
I don't even know the names of any of the characters in Avatar.


You can say that to any cultural impact movies from the 70s 80s or 90s

Like how is not knowing characters names in movies = movie didnt do anything for mankind?


I can name too many characters from Star Wars, even ones in like a single scene.

Terminator can name main ppl.

Etc.
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:18:48 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Dont know any names, but I do know how awesome the cgi and 3D was

You show a blue looking species character and people will say hey thats from the avatar movie
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:21:06 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
Seto-Kaiba posted...
I don't even know the names of any of the characters in Avatar.


You can say that to any cultural impact movies from the 70s 80s or 90s

Like how is not knowing characters names in movies = movie didnt do anything for mankind?


I can name too many characters from Star Wars, even ones in like a single scene.

Terminator can name main ppl.

Etc.


Remembering names of characters in movies =/= movie has cultural impact

Remember scenes, the look of characters, location shots, dialogue etc. = movie has made an impact on culture

And avatar has done that like it or not
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LordFarquad1312
05/18/19 10:21:43 PM
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Literally the only thing specific to Avatar I remember is either the big red bird or whoever tames said bird is called Toruk Makto.

Oh, and that the mech design was incredibly stupid.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
05/18/19 10:22:30 PM
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The only thing Avatar really did was show that you can still make a movie designed for the big screen be a success.
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FaceThePain
05/18/19 10:23:34 PM
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I remember watching Avatar and thinking "this is going to be this generations Star Wars".

Then nothing ever came of it. It's sad that it took Disney buying the franchise to actually start making some movement on the series. Could have been something amazing.
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Zikten
05/18/19 10:24:32 PM
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Supposedly the sequels will show other Navi tribes like ones that live in or by the sea. And desert Navi
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nemu
05/18/19 10:24:41 PM
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The only thing special about it is the push for 3D. Pretty much any half-competent movie pushed by a famed director could have achieved it. It's nothing like Star Wars where the lore is what has captured fans for decades. Without the 3D, it's just a decent popcorn flick. I doubt 70% of the people who saw it when it came out could name the characters or actors.
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darkphoenix181
05/18/19 10:28:06 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Remember scenes, the look of characters, location shots, dialogue etc. = movie has made an impact on culture

And avatar has done that like it or not


What is most memorable scene?

What dialogue you remember?

Name a location.
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:28:11 PM
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FaceThePain posted...
I remember watching Avatar and thinking "this is going to be this generations Star Wars".

Then nothing ever came of it. It's sad that it took Disney buying the franchise to actually start making some movement on the series. Could have been something amazing.


I wouldnt say so actually

Cameron owns the IP of avatar and isnt forced to to release sequels every 2 years like marvel does
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Damn_Underscore
05/18/19 10:28:13 PM
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Damn TC, if you were going to make this topic you should have at least watched the movie so you could take about the characters, story, etc.
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:31:10 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...

Remember scenes, the look of characters, location shots, dialogue etc. = movie has made an impact on culture

And avatar has done that like it or not


What is most memorable scene?

What dialogue you remember?

Name a location.


What movie is this from?

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2018/11/02/02-avatar-2.w1200.h1200.2x.jpg

Show that to anyone and they will know the answer, $2.8 billion worth of people would know it
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darkphoenix181
05/18/19 10:31:58 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...

Remember scenes, the look of characters, location shots, dialogue etc. = movie has made an impact on culture

And avatar has done that like it or not


What is most memorable scene?

What dialogue you remember?

Name a location.


What movie is this from?

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2018/11/02/02-avatar-2.w1200.h1200.2x.jpg

Show that to anyone and they will know the answer, $2.8 billion worth of people would know it


So you couldn't answer any of these questions.

You just remember it had blue people.
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darkphoenix181
05/18/19 10:38:16 PM
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Tc, let me show you the difference between a high impact film and avatar.

This is all from memory:

Your a big guy, for you.

What would happen if you took of the mask? It would be xtremely painful.

This is not a car.

The hero we deserve, not that we need.

Hang them for the world to see.

Takr back your city! Take it back! I give it back to you! The people.
Trump stole that in a speech.

You merely adopted the darkness, I was born in it
Molded by it.

Where are they!

Know where I got these scars?

Wanna see a magic trick?

Hit me!
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:43:21 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Tc, let me show you the difference between a high impact film and avatar.

This is all from memory:

Your a big guy, for you.

What would happen if you took of the mask? It would be xtremely painful.

This is not a car.

The hero we deserve, not that we need.

Hang them for the world to see.

Takr back your city! Take it back! I give it back to you! The people.
Trump stole that in a speech.

You merely adopted the darkness, I was born in it
Molded by it.

Where are they!

Know where I got these scars?

Wanna see a magic trick?

Hit me!


And?

I know like 2 of those listed?

Show this list to any average movie goer in the real world and they would have no clue?

Cultural impact is more than names of the characters or lines in a movie

Its the entire package, avatar on the other hand was different with it being that 3D movie with blue people and realistic cgi!
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masterpug53
05/18/19 10:45:44 PM
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Damn TC, your expert deflection has really brought me around to your way of thinking.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
05/18/19 10:45:59 PM
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I'd argue it had technological impact, not cultural.
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Skye Reynolds
05/18/19 10:46:58 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy
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LordFarquad1312
05/18/19 10:48:10 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy

That applies to half the cast of the movie lol
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darkphoenix181
05/18/19 10:48:26 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy


And older military guy
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:49:35 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Damn TC, your expert deflection has really brought me around to your way of thinking.


its a great trait to have
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DezDroppedFreak
05/18/19 10:51:19 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Dont know any names, but I do know how awesome the cgi and 3D was

You show a blue looking species character and people will say hey thats from the avatar movie


Yeah and you can show someone a piece of shit and they will say Hey thats a piece of shit
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:52:43 PM
#28:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Dont know any names, but I do know how awesome the cgi and 3D was

You show a blue looking species character and people will say hey thats from the avatar movie


Yeah and you can show someone a piece of shit and they will say Hey thats a piece of shit


What movie is that from?
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De Evolution
05/18/19 10:53:29 PM
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Seto-Kaiba posted...
I don't even know the names of any of the characters in Avatar.

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DezDroppedFreak
05/18/19 10:54:46 PM
#30:


SaccharineSmile posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Dont know any names, but I do know how awesome the cgi and 3D was

You show a blue looking species character and people will say hey thats from the avatar movie


Yeah and you can show someone a piece of shit and they will say Hey thats a piece of shit


What movie is that from?


Its from your ass
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:55:48 PM
#31:


darkphoenix181 posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy


And older military guy


So did you end up finding out what movie this was from? @darkphoenix181

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2018/11/02/02-avatar-2.w1200.h1200.2x.jpg

Its a tough one, very obscure movie, many people might not even know this characters name, in fact this image form this movie is so obscure its not even a blimp in the pop-culture foundation of society
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YookaLaylee
05/18/19 10:56:35 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy


And older military guy

I think there was a guy with glasses
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 10:59:08 PM
#33:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Dont know any names, but I do know how awesome the cgi and 3D was

You show a blue looking species character and people will say hey thats from the avatar movie


Yeah and you can show someone a piece of shit and they will say Hey thats a piece of shit


What movie is that from?


Its from your ass


So its not from a movie? Speak up and be clear with your answers
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DezDroppedFreak
05/18/19 10:59:11 PM
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Just because a thing can be recognized doesnt mean SHIT

And youre right

No one knows what the FUCK that things name is or the CONEXT behind any of IT
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 11:05:00 PM
#35:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
Just because a thing can be recognized doesnt mean SHIT

And youre right

No one knows what the FUCK that things name is or the CONEXT behind any of IT


A thing that can be recognized means its well known? So this thing must also be good for it to mean anything?

And sure who knows what that name is or the context behind it BUT you do know what movie its from, therefore its recognizable

Not many well known movies are able to do this
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archedsoul
05/18/19 11:09:53 PM
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The argument isn't that it needs to leave an impact.

It's that, for one of the largest movies ever, it's strange no one ever talks about it.

And the technology and shit was mostly Lucas's ILM, which has always been at the forefront of movie magic and has a monopoly. 3D also didn't take off like it was supposed to and kind of fell off 2-3 years after Avatar.

SaccharineSmile posted...
I wouldnt say so actually

Cameron owns the IP of avatar and isnt forced to to release sequels every 2 years like marvel does

But that's exactly what's happened. Disney announced Avatar 2-5 for 2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027
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WafflehouseJK
05/18/19 11:13:20 PM
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Tag for later when I have time to craft my response to this topic
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YookaLaylee
05/18/19 11:17:13 PM
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archedsoul posted...
The argument isn't that it needs to leave an impact.

It's that, for one of the largest movies ever, it's strange no one ever talks about it.

And the technology and shit was mostly Lucas's ILM, which has always been at the forefront of movie magic and has a monopoly. 3D also didn't take off like it was supposed to and kind of fell off 2-3 years after Avatar.

SaccharineSmile posted...
I wouldnt say so actually

Cameron owns the IP of avatar and isnt forced to to release sequels every 2 years like marvel does

But that's exactly what's happened. Disney announced Avatar 2-5 for 2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027

That was already the plan before Disney bought Fox. They announced that they were filming 2 and 3 back to back like 2 years ago
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archedsoul
05/18/19 11:21:24 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
That was already the plan before Disney bought Fox. They announced that they were filming 2 and 3 back to back like 2 years ago

No, the plan was 2 and 3 a year apart between 2020 and 2021 and then 4 and 5 in 2024 and 2025.
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 11:26:04 PM
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archedsoul posted...
The argument isn't that it needs to leave an impact.

It's that, for one of the largest movies ever, it's strange no one ever talks about it.

And the technology and shit was mostly Lucas's ILM, which has always been at the forefront of movie magic and has a monopoly. 3D also didn't take off like it was supposed to and kind of fell off 2-3 years after Avatar.

SaccharineSmile posted...
I wouldnt say so actually

Cameron owns the IP of avatar and isnt forced to to release sequels every 2 years like marvel does

But that's exactly what's happened. Disney announced Avatar 2-5 for 2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027


Id wager if avatar did release sequels straight after the first one, people will keep talking about it

Like what marvel and dc do, pump out movies and be the talk of society in a constant fashion

Also it was Weta more so than ilm

https://www.cnet.com/news/ilm-steps-in-to-help-finish-avatar-visual-effects/
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nemu
05/18/19 11:28:32 PM
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The real way to look at it is that most people will talk about how amazing the 3D was for the time, basically the experience of the full revival of 3D. Few people will talk about the movie itself. I doubt Avatar 2 will reach even half the box office unless it's also revolutionary in some aspect.
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archedsoul
05/18/19 11:43:27 PM
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SaccharineSmile posted...
Id wager if avatar did release sequels straight after the first one, people will keep talking about it

Like what marvel and dc do, pump out movies and be the talk of society in a constant fashion

Also it was Weta more so than ilm

https://www.cnet.com/news/ilm-steps-in-to-help-finish-avatar-visual-effects/

That's the point. Cameron didn't take advantage of that, so it fell off the radar fast. Resurrecting it 12 years later is not gonna do much.

Also, ok, so the second best in the industry, Peter Jackson's Weta, did the work. So Lucas and Jackson were more crucial to the only thing that stood out, the technological aspects, than anything Cameron did. More like just evolving with the times and staying ahead like they always have.
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MC_BatCommander
05/18/19 11:45:07 PM
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Avatar was lame
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dave_is_slick
05/18/19 11:47:54 PM
#44:


SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy


And older military guy


So did you end up finding out what movie this was from? @darkphoenix181

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2018/11/02/02-avatar-2.w1200.h1200.2x.jpg

Its a tough one, very obscure movie, many people might not even know this characters name, in fact this image form this movie is so obscure its not even a blimp in the pop-culture foundation of society

Wait you think you got him? That's precious!
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 11:51:53 PM
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archedsoul posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
Id wager if avatar did release sequels straight after the first one, people will keep talking about it

Like what marvel and dc do, pump out movies and be the talk of society in a constant fashion

Also it was Weta more so than ilm

https://www.cnet.com/news/ilm-steps-in-to-help-finish-avatar-visual-effects/

That's the point. Cameron didn't take advantage of that, so it fell off the radar fast. Resurrecting it 12 years later is not gonna do much.

Also, ok, so the second best in the industry, Peter Jackson's Weta, did the work. So Lucas and Jackson were more crucial to the only thing that stood out, the technological aspects, than anything Cameron did. More like just evolving with the times and staying ahead like they always have.


Its an odd situation for avatar, its a modern movie, but it will be over 10 years for the sequel to come out

I mean Jurassic Park had a long break between movies (and nothing in between bar maybe videogames), came back successfully (money wise) is probably the only comparison

Who knows, but with avatar bringing out 3D less glasses to theatres, history may repeat again
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SaccharineSmile
05/18/19 11:57:51 PM
#46:


dave_is_slick posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy


And older military guy


So did you end up finding out what movie this was from? @darkphoenix181

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2018/11/02/02-avatar-2.w1200.h1200.2x.jpg

Its a tough one, very obscure movie, many people might not even know this characters name, in fact this image form this movie is so obscure its not even a blimp in the pop-culture foundation of society

Wait you think you got him? That's precious!


Got him regarding what connotations?

Well do you know the name of this movie based on this picture above?

Simple question, answer away. Not that hard of a concept
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dave_is_slick
05/18/19 11:59:02 PM
#47:


SaccharineSmile posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
SaccharineSmile posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Name 1 character from the movie tc.

Don't cheat.

@SaccharineSmile


Ugh... military guy


And older military guy


So did you end up finding out what movie this was from? @darkphoenix181

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2018/11/02/02-avatar-2.w1200.h1200.2x.jpg

Its a tough one, very obscure movie, many people might not even know this characters name, in fact this image form this movie is so obscure its not even a blimp in the pop-culture foundation of society

Wait you think you got him? That's precious!


Got him regarding what connotations?

Well do you know the name of this movie based on this picture above?

Simple question, answer away. Not that hard of a concept

Oh my god you do! Aww, look at the little guy!
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archedsoul
05/19/19 1:43:45 AM
#48:


SaccharineSmile posted...
Its an odd situation for avatar, its a modern movie, but it will be over 10 years for the sequel to come out

I mean Jurassic Park had a long break between movies (and nothing in between bar maybe videogames), came back successfully (money wise) is probably the only comparison

Who knows, but with avatar bringing out 3D less glasses to theatres, history may repeat again

Eh, JP is a totally different story. The first one was a huge hit and did leave tons of impact. I mean, just recently, Ted 2 has a whole scene about finding weed and the JP theme playing in the background.

That theme alone is iconic. JW was the 4th movie and penned as a revitalization of the franchise much like TFA and TLJ. And even the PT can be likened to that. It made insane money during its time. But the entire thing itself was pretty garbage.

Avatar couldn't even make it to number 2. Perhaps some gimmick might aid it, but I'm doubting it.
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Delirious_Beard
05/19/19 1:46:33 AM
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rare W for tc
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warnerbroman
05/19/19 1:49:24 AM
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