Board 8 > classic WoW?

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anyone here gonna be playing this?

I'm probably going to try it for a while. I'm not gonna be all ambitious and say let's start a guild and do ALL THE THINGS together, but I probably will do that with my irl friends, and it would be cool to mess around with people from B8 in the times when I need to play an alt to avoid outstripping my other friends in terms of level and such.

I enjoyed WoW as a teenager, but I feel like the nostalgia would wear off quickly. Part of what made WoW what it was was the sense of adventure and not knowing every corner.
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People are already spamming blizzard with bug reports of quality of life features that weren't present in vanilla WoW.

People are going to get exactly what they asked for and they are going to hate if.

OK so that's two nays

Leafeon13N posted...

People are already spamming blizzard with bug reports of quality of life features that weren't present in vanilla WoW.

People are going to get exactly what they asked for and they are going to hate if.

Yeah, I predict this is going to be a massive failure.

One can argue that modern WoW is too easy, sure. But classic had a ton of obsolete annoying shit that no modern gamer is going to want to put up with. The nostalgia will wear off very fast.
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I feel like I'm part of the perfect target audience for official vanilla servers because I started the game right after TBC came out (and played for 6-7 years after). So I know *most* of the stuff people talk about when they reminisce about vanilla but I always wanted to try it myself.

I think I have a pretty good grasp of the pros and cons of what I'm getting into, and it still appeals to me. I'm not expecting it to be life changing or anything. Just refreshing like a long overdue shower or something lol

For me it's not so much nostalgia (though that's part of it) but more just finally being able to have experienced it instead of feeling like I missed it.

Ehh most people reminisce about wrath and a few about tbc. Vanilla people mostly just talk about how shit it was.

The most excited people are the pvpers tbh. Pvp is the thing different from expac to expac but not necessarily better.

As someone who raids mythic retail, I have 0 interest in vanilla.
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GildedFool posted...

As someone who raids mythic retail, I have 0 interest in vanilla.

Current prog?

Leafeon13N posted...

Ehh most people reminisce about wrath and a few about tbc. Vanilla people mostly just talk about how shit it was.

The most excited people are the pvpers tbh. Pvp is the thing different from expac to expac but not necessarily better.

Nonetheless.

I did more pvp anyway, though I did plenty of raiding too.

I'd say my time was like

35% battlegrounds/arena

25% random world pvp/shenanigans

20% raiding

20% leveling different characters

Maybe what makes it appeal to me is less my past WoW experience and more just what I seek to get out of video games in general.

I spend more time doing stuff like pokemon nuzlocke runs and speedruns of games (hundreds/thousands of resets) than I do playing modern games as they're intended. I'm the type who doesn't use fast travel in elder scrolls, etc. So, yeah that is probably more why I know I'll find what I want in classic. I want to play it more as a curiosity than anything else. I'm not going in with the mindset of like "gee, you know what I'm missing in my life? Some fresh, awesome raid content. I wll play Vanilla WoW."

I want to play it more as a curiosity than anything else.

Right. And my point is, it has little value as anything other than a curiosity... and how long do you expect the curiosity to last?
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We'll see!

the majority of people will boot it up, play for a couple weeks, and realize they don't like it. and that's fine

a smaller number will play it pretty consistently and enjoy it. and that's good, too

imho, it's pretty smart for blizzard to lump 'classic' and 'retail' under the same subscription. it's more of a sideshow/sandbox server than anything
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If only there were some happy medium. WoW's classic style is... well, from a gameplay perspective, just awful. Useless roles, slanted heavily towards just a few classes and just a few of those specs within them. The game is indeed teetering on boredom these days because they excessively dumbed things down. But if there were just some way to sort of blend the old with the new, I'd be much more happy. I'd play that game.
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I remember playing about 20 days just to get to level 40ish in late vanilla early BC WoW. That's not something I can or want to go back to.

I played soooo much PvP though. But again, that was best in BC.

It's a cool idea and I'm curious how it goes but there's just so much context missing that made those games great 10 years ago.
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100% I'll be playing. Can't stand retail WoW, will likely enjoy classic.
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It's a cool idea and I'm curious how it goes but there's just so much context missing that made those games great 10 years ago.

Barrens chat was the best thing about vanilla WoW, and that cannot be replicated
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I'll probably subscribe for 1 month to satisfy the nostalgia and curiosity but I can't imagine I'll make it very far. I loved vanilla WoW but it's not going to fit into my life like it did when I was 12
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SomeKindOfJoke posted...

I'll probably subscribe for 1 month to satisfy the nostalgia and curiosity but I can't imagine I'll make it very far. I loved vanilla WoW but it's not going to fit into my life like it did when I was 12

I played on Nostalrius while it still existed. I would play the shit out of Classic if I had the time I did then. But my life has changed since then and theres no way I could devote enough time to it to make it worthwhile.
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Y'all should try FFXI instead. It was better then and is better now.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Y'all should try FFXI instead. It was better then and is better now.

This does sound fun, tbh. That was relevant well before I was aware of the concept of MMOs. Could be worth trying.

I'd be maybe interested if Feral Druid wasn't fucking terrible
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turbopuns3 posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Y'all should try FFXI instead. It was better then and is better now.

This does sound fun, tbh. That was relevant well before I was aware of the concept of MMOs. Could be worth trying.

They made it so much fucking better, too! Lots of QoL adjustments.

Play on Asura tho.
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Zigzagoon posted...

I'd be maybe interested if Feral Druid wasn't fucking terrible

Feral druid sucks on live too its awful.

Only time I ever played feral was early Cata and holy moly were they OP in pvp. Bleeds were crazy at that time.

Leafeon13N posted...

GildedFool posted...

As someone who raids mythic retail, I have 0 interest in vanilla.

Current prog?

6/9. Mekkatorque sucks because we don't have the DKs.
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No WoW, for life.

I don't know why people wanna play this game.

You work a job, then spend a huge chunk of time and money doing work-like things in a video game and you pay for it? You join a guild (aka company) and you show up regularly at the same time to do the same thing repeatedly so that others can benefit from your effort? And maybe doing that gets you a trinket you didn't have after a few weeks of retrying?
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ChichiriMuyo posted...

You work a job

For like $8/hr, so the company can make billions. That's much more wasteful than WoW.
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ChichiriMuyo posted...

No WoW, for life.

I don't know why people wanna play this game.

You work a job, then spend a huge chunk of time and money doing work-like things in a video game and you pay for it?

You work a job, then spend a huge chunk of time and money in a video game and pay for it. That's how capitalism works, if you want to play a game, you have to pay for it.

You join a guild (aka company) and you show up regularly at the same time to do the same thing repeatedly so that others can benefit from your effort?

You join a guild (aka group of friends) and you show up regularly at the same time to hang out and play a video game together. I'm not sure who the others are who are meant to be benefiting from it. Other players in the guild? In a raid environment, gear isn't seen as a personal reward, it's a reward for the whole group. It makes the whole group more powerful and better equipped to handle the next content.

If you can't make it you say, "Sorry guys, I'm not around this week." If you have a better way to arrange hanging out with a group of friends than... scheduling a time to hang out, the human race would love to know.

And maybe doing that gets you a trinket you didn't have after a few weeks of retrying?

I honestly can't refute this last line properly because it's actually just garbage. No-one is raiding because they want loot. That is not the reward. I enjoy spending time with my friends, I enjoy the gameplay. I'm not sure that "playing a video game" requires a reward.

What do I get after a few weeks of playing Persona? Maybe a credit scene?
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Yeah I mean I just hand wave the entire argument by saying I don't have to play WoW for 30 hours a week to enjoy it. That's a myth.

Not to mention I haven't played the game since before Legion was out so it's not like you're presenting me with new information.

turbopuns3 posted...

25% random world pvp/shenanigans

This is where most of my favorite memories of the game come from, for what it's worth.

Games becoming work after a certain point is not exclusive to WoW. If a person is tired of playing something to the point where it feels like work, the burden falls on that person to cease the thing that feels like work, not Blizzard. It's not like WoW requires work-like hours to enjoy it, same as any other game.
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WoW is work when you dont want to play but a necessary evil for the times you do.

Killing a progression boss for the first time can be a very fulfilling experience.

I will probably try it out. I was heavily into WoW during vanilla and BC, and less so during Lich King because it had kinda started to suck by then and there was a dearth of raiding content.

I was a master at leveling, though, and legitimately enjoyed the progression of working the xp bar. Probably because I came from EverQuest, and your time in WoW was actually meaningful. Plus you could play solo and not have to grind in the corner of a dungeon somewhere. So maybe I'll hate it now, 15 years later.

When's classic's release date, anyway?
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Corner of a good cave of humanoids was still one of the best ways to level in vanilla.

Effective, maybe. Best? Nah. Questing is usually far more enjoyable, and if you know the quests and how to group them, you usually get more bang from the bonus xp at the end. A typical quest is worth, what? 20 kills? So even if you're the most efficient warlock in the world, you're still probably only coming out a little ahead with the grind-in-a-corner approach.
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azuarc posted...

Effective, maybe. Best? Nah. Questing is usually far more enjoyable, and if you know the quests and how to group them, you usually get more bang from the bonus xp at the end. A typical quest is worth, what? 20 kills? So even if you're the most efficient warlock in the world, you're still probably only coming out a little ahead with the grind-in-a-corner approach.

The problem is always the walk to the town is not often worth the exp lost. You still pick them up but turn ins are usually done after significant grinding.

Vanilla was a lot of fun but I think it'd be impossible to replicate what really made that game experience special. The discovery, the unknown, getting lost in the grind because you were interacting with people in an open world and constantly finding new quests and dungeons and items and zones.

Once you hit endgame it's hard to really want to enjoy the questing to get to endgame. Are people going to be interested in LBRS if they can really just find the quickest way to zip to UBRS and then to MC?

I get why people want vanilla but I think it won't be that exciting. I'm assuming modern WoW doesn't force people on 10 minute gryphon rides anymore.

The Nostalgia would be fun for like 20 levels but I think it'd be hard to justify playing more than that. My worry is that when it came time to do some poking around old dungeons, people wouldn't want to just have fun with that, they'd want to get through them efficiently because that's been the mindset for well over a decade.

...this makes me wanna fire up Guild Wars 2 >_>
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if you guys roll horde, I'd potentially be interested, just know you'll probably never be able to do anything with me because I will be so far behind
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who cares about efficiency, I heard there were some alliance at Nesingwary....... frost shocks at the ready, boys
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I always enjoyed doing obscure stuff just for the hell of it more than I did taking endgame seriously. Stuff like 5 manning ZG shortly after wrath launched with a ragtag group of a fresh 80, a 78, 72, 71, and 60.

There is no telling how many hours my buddy and I spent assaulting Honor Hold.

We actually made a friend one time from the opposite faction. I was 80 and this mid-60s alliance was wandering around right outside the horde town in hellfire, and I started mind controlling him and running him around inside the horde camp. It turned into a game of how long we could keep him alive. Eventually he logged onto an alt and whispered us and ended up joining our vent server (whoa that's a very old-fashioned sentence) so that we could coordinate our tomfoolery better.

azuarc posted...

When's classic's release date, anyway?

August 27.

But, character creation opens August 13. So if you wanna reserve your names, that's when you gotta do it.

Death to the evil Horde, for the glory of The Alliance.
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Wedge Antilles posted...

Death to the evil Horde, for the glory of The Alliance.

When Burning Crusade launched, I had two separate friend groups who both urged me to play simultaneously. I had one alliance character on a PvE server and one horde character on a PvP server, and I split my time pretty evenly between them.

I'm one of those weird ones whose heart is confused about where it lies, lol.

In the end, I spent way, way, way more time playing horde. But my first character was alliance and I had max level characters on both sides, so I will always be a sympathizer.

You know the little houses in WSG that have power ups in them?

Well there was a hill or root or something you could get up onto where you could mount up and jump and be able to land on top of those buildings if you had levitate/slowfall. And the roofs had multiple angled sections so that you could just easily permanently LoS anyone who tried to attack you from the ground.

We'd take the flag onto a roof and just sit there all game and then cap with 1 minute left because our whole team could focus on killing the enemy FC.

I mean it wasn't foolproof for a couple obvious reasons, but most pick-up BG teams couldn't organize well enough to beat it.

Man, good times.

neonreaper posted...

Vanilla was a lot of fun but I think it'd be impossible to replicate what really made that game experience special. The discovery, the unknown, getting lost in the grind because you were interacting with people in an open world and constantly finding new quests and dungeons and items and zones.

Once you hit endgame it's hard to really want to enjoy the questing to get to endgame. Are people going to be interested in LBRS if they can really just find the quickest way to zip to UBRS and then to MC?

I get why people want vanilla but I think it won't be that exciting. I'm assuming modern WoW doesn't force people on 10 minute gryphon rides anymore.

The Nostalgia would be fun for like 20 levels but I think it'd be hard to justify playing more than that. My worry is that when it came time to do some poking around old dungeons, people wouldn't want to just have fun with that, they'd want to get through them efficiently because that's been the mindset for well over a decade.

...this makes me wanna fire up Guild Wars 2 >_>

Hmm, maybe I'll actually try Horde this time. I never did get that authentic Barrens + WC experience. I mean, not that I'm thrilled about having to play as something monstrous since there won't be any BEs, but I can always be a cow. Moo.
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Oh yeah I only played Horde. I keep forgetting there was a whole half of the game that I was missing.
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