Board 8 > Umineko playthrough topic 3

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handsomeboy2012
06/15/19 11:00:44 AM
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Favourite episode - Results (2 votes)
Episode 1
0% (0 votes)
0
Episode 2
0% (0 votes)
0
Episode 3
50% (1 vote)
1
Episode 4
50% (1 vote)
1
One of the episodes 5-8
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0
Finishing off episode 4's Tea Party and ????

Also added a poll because why not
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handsomeboy2012
06/15/19 11:03:34 AM
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Zyxyz0
06/16/19 12:52:29 AM
#3:


went to login to the hosting I use for archive to upload page 10 of last topic and

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page 10 will be uploaded when the site gets its act together I guess, I already have it saved so no worries about purge at least
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:13:17 AM
#4:


No problem, thanks for the help
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 10:44:49 AM
#5:


The tea party opens with Battler left alone on Rokkenjima with everyone else dead. Like I said before, the 'part 2' of an episode no long has anything to do with tea parties
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 10:59:17 AM
#6:


This is a huge infodump. I find it hard to think of a solution when the game was very explicit about the entire sequence of events and the way they died. Jessica's profile first says she might have been killed with a gun, then the next paragraph says it was caused by George...
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 11:15:17 AM
#7:


Kinzo never summoned the stakes, but that make an appearance on Kyrie's corpse (and the others other escaped the dungeon I think). It took several tries to kill Kyrie, either they were doing it on purpose to deliver the message 'Believe in magic' to Battler, or something made them miss.

Another issue - what's with the 3rd twilight, where they would praise the witches' name? It was already flimsy in ep1. I forgot about ep2 and 3, but it definitely did NOT happen in ep4. Unless Battler finds a letter right now.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 11:20:20 AM
#8:


If Battler follows the corpses, he would be able find the tunnel and reach the hidden mansion. Is he going to survive this episode, like Eva did?
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 11:42:08 AM
#9:


The stakes are not in their usual positions. It's like they forgot about the epitaph (not even in the tips menu). The 4th game is highly unusual in many areas.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 11:47:47 AM
#10:


Kinzo's body is in the boiler room every fucking time and identified by his toes, this can't be a coincidence right
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:11:12 PM
#11:


I'm getting the impression that Bernkatsel told Ange to go on a journey/become a witch fully knowing it will result in her sacrifice (why did she die, because she revealed her identity??) to motivate Battler. If that's her plan, it would make her a very dangerous individual
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:20:02 PM
#12:


Battler is going to explain it all; not only episode 4, but all the games. I've never been so excited since I started Umineko guys, seems like leaving this to the end is the right decision after all.

Let's fucking go
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Team Rocket Elite
06/16/19 12:23:14 PM
#13:


Get hype!
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Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest!
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:27:30 PM
#14:


I thought these mysteries will unravel during the answer arcs.
If Battler does it now... and succeeds in killing Beatrice with blue words... what would be left to tell?
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:42:41 PM
#15:


We going to treat those scenes of murder - magical fights, flying arrows, etc - as if they didn't happen. That has been Battler's strategy all along.

All in all it's a fresh and cool take on the mystery genre. Instead of solving it when you can't see what happened, I have to solve it despite seeing it first-hand from start to finish. I still prefer the first approach though, maybe I'm too used to that.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:47:44 PM
#16:


Nothing I haven't heard of before yet...

'George did not go down the stairs of the 3rd game'. This is new. I can give it a go...
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:49:34 PM
#17:


The windows were all locked. Uh.... he broke a window and jumped out? Or there is another way to leave the guesthouse.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:52:34 PM
#18:


But the windows were locked after he left. He must have an accomplice then, Jessica, Battler and Maria were there and could have locked them.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:54:48 PM
#19:


Ok Battler might have said that sort of thing back in episode 3. Who cares, I'm right this time
(Since when did blue words have the power to kill witches? Why did Beatrice even propose that in the first place, does she not know??)
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 12:59:15 PM
#20:


Way back there was a part in Beatrice's character bio that she can be killed in a very specific way that is difficult to figure out... if the method is 'Blue truth', she has shot herself in the head by revealing it.

This is all very fishy. Feels like... a conspiracy by Bernkatsel and/or Lambdadelta to get rid of Beatrice.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:03:22 PM
#21:


Something I'm concerned about is whether I will really see the Human side of murders, like the hidden person X, Rosa/Eva committing the murders, the such. Battler can give a general, high-level theory now, but I would like the finer details too.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:16:39 PM
#22:


Thinking about the 4th game, it's abnormally straightforward.
-Almost no attempt was made to frame the killings in mysterious circumstances. Beatrice always creates a locked room or something similar, but most of the corpses were left where they were. The biggest mystery was the garden shed.
-The pitfalls and prison are can be explained by Kyrie's earlier theory.
-Battler is given a full day to organize and investigate. What did they agree on before? 10 minutes?

It's like Beatrice threw the game from the beginning.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:18:31 PM
#23:


'All of them acknowledged the presence of Kinzo' ok that doesn't mean that person really is Kinzo
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:26:36 PM
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Note that I'm trying to counter Beatrice's red before Battler uses his blue. Fun stuff.

'No person would mistake Kinzo by sight'. This is a tricky one.
Hmm. What about this. They knew that it wasn't Kinzo but went with it anyway.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:30:19 PM
#25:


Lol I totally misinterpreted the question. Beatrice was saying that Kinzo isn't dead in the 4th game, Battler countered by saying that Kinzo can be alive there and dead in the rest of the games.

So yeah, Kinzo shot them all in the dining room. That's it.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:32:41 PM
#26:


'Kinzo's life or dead status is the same across all 4 games'. Cmon now. I'll use my previous argument that they knew it wasn't Kinzo, didn't mistake who it was, and acknowledged the presence of Kinzo anyway. That 'Kinzo' was person X who killed them all.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:39:34 PM
#27:


Battler is going to use the 3rd game. There Kinzo burned to death in his study and was found in the boiler room later. I'll pass, couldn't remember the details.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:42:28 PM
#28:


Kinzo is a name that get passed on... what? In any case, the others acknowledged that 'Kinzo' fully knowing the person is different. My argument does match Battler... right?
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:49:05 PM
#29:


Kinzo's ghost turned in a black dragon and was killed 2 seconds later. Talk about a pointless transformation.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:52:24 PM
#30:


It's over. That's what it looks like, at least, I wouldn't be surprised if Beatrice is faking it again.
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 1:58:58 PM
#31:


She thinks she lost the game because she lost the willpower. Are you not going to tell me why you lost the will?
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 2:09:39 PM
#32:


God, if you are going to kill her, do it already, who cares if she has given up or not?
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 2:14:31 PM
#33:


Both are unwilling to accept anything short of a complete victory, that's something they can agree on
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handsomeboy2012
06/16/19 2:19:31 PM
#34:


Turns out there are no more than 17 people on the island, with Kinzo dead all along!
This is far from over. I'll continue tomorrow. Loving this tea party.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 9:12:45 AM
#35:


How would 17 people work? I have seen Kinzo clearly alive many times in the story, and here I have to just accept he is dead all along...

Episode 1: someone played dead in the shed
Episode 2: Rosa did it
Episode 3: Eva did it
Episode 4: No idea

The big question was that 'Kinzo' who came at dinner in episode 4, and that fake Kinzo can't be an extra person. The only thing I can think of now is a grandkid in disguise.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 9:18:31 AM
#36:


'Eva and Hideoyoshi's deaths in Episode 1'

The culprit hid in the room and left without being noticed when the others opened the door to check the bodies. It is also possible that the chain is put in place from the outside? I can't remember this one well.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 9:20:28 AM
#37:


So he hid under the bed. That was a simple one.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 9:34:53 AM
#38:


Basically we are now dismissing everything seen in these 4 episodes as an illusion. Kinzo on screen? Nah, he's dead. Kanon being stabbed? No, it was an accident. Eva being in bed while someone is killed outside? Nope, she did it.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 9:39:59 AM
#39:


There're going through case by case. Sorry but I'll have to stop writing my guesses here because I don't want to pause too much.
That argument on simultaneous murders like Russian roulette make me lol
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 9:54:07 AM
#40:


Mini-bombs in food that explode after eaten. It's crazy but we all know it could work.
If Beatrice can't counter it, does it make it the truth? I genuinely want to see a re-telling of these episodes that happened according to Battler.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 10:07:45 AM
#41:


'The first person to discovered the corpse of the multiple locked rooms had the key all along and pretended to discover it in a pocket' how the hell did I not think of that before.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 10:34:59 AM
#42:


The fight is over for good this time, I think. It would be an atrocity if it went 'it's a lie!!!' again.
Umineko on the other hand is far from over. I can't imagine what is coming next.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 10:43:54 AM
#43:


I still do not believe Beatrice is defeated, hurt or the like until Battler finishes the job and her death is confirmed. He will be the biggest idiot in the universe if he takes pity now and something bad happens because of that.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 10:52:56 AM
#44:


What the fuck?
Beatrice is going to kill Battler on the island... but then Battler is the only one there, and Battler is not Beatrice.
The final question is 'Who am I'
They then hug and roll credits.

......
......
......????
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Dels
06/17/19 10:54:34 AM
#45:


????? indeed
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 11:17:33 AM
#46:


I am treated to a CG of Lambdadelta and Bernkatsel lying in bed on top of each other.
Willing to bet there are tons of lesbian+loli fanart out there about these two. The Japanese eat up stuff like this. Umineko is unique in a lot of ways but it's very much influenced by anime.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 11:35:22 AM
#47:


Bernkatsel is a manipulative type, this has been hinted, good to finally get a confirmation.
They are very, very invested in the game for some reason.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 11:42:37 AM
#48:


What do you mean, Battler was wrong and Beatrice didn't counter it. Please don't be some act again.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 11:53:07 AM
#49:


They say Beatrice has no chance of winning, and she is acting in episode 4
Raising flags again I see. The opposite is probably going to happen instead.
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handsomeboy2012
06/17/19 12:07:17 PM
#50:


Yeah Bernkatsel is evil, all of them are with no exceptions, this does not surprise me anymore.
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