Board 8 > Board 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 12: The Offseason

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Previous Topics (alive as of this moment)
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77581363
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77674239
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Coaching Changes

I say this every year, but I have found no evidence that suggests that your coaching staff has any impact on your team in a pure sim like this. Any changes in the coaching strategy as a result of a new coaching staff can be negated through user intervention. That being said, I like to reveal coaching changes since I believe most of us are curious about them.

Retirements
Pumpkins OC Tom Moore
Lions DC Larry Coyer

Head Coach
Bengals hire Lightning HC Mike Holmgren
Bills hire former Packers HC Mike Sherman
Browns hire Bengals HC Lovie Smith
Colts promote DC Ron Meeks
Hawks hire Colts HC Jeff Fisher
Jaguars hire Hawks HC Mark Brunell
Lightning hire Jags HC Andy Reid
Redskins hire Hall of Fame OL Will Shields

Offensive Coordinator
Bears hire Jags OC Ricky Williams
Bengals hire former B8NFLL Jags FB Mike Alstott
Browns hire former B8NFLL Giants FB Chris Fuamatu-Ma
Buccaneers hire Browns OC Brad Johnson
Chiefs hire Lions OC Terry Shea
Hawks hire Titans OC Gary Kubiak
Jaguars hire former Vikings OC Steve Loney
Jets hire Bengals OC Tom Rossley
Lions hire Rams OC Chris Foerster
Packers hire former B8NFLL Giants HB Edgerrin James
Pumpkins hire Bucs OC Trent Green
Rams hire former Bengals HC Mike Mularkey
Redskins hire Packers OC Eric Moulds
Titans hire Redskins OC Mike Anderson

Defensive Coordinator
Bears hire Redskins HC Jack Del Rio
Bills hire Browns HC Pepper Johnson
Colts hire Wildcats DC Derrick Brooks
Cowboys hire Pioneers DC Vic Fangio
Falcons hire Seahawks DC Ernie Holmes
Giants hire former Packers DC Greg Blache
Lions hire Bears DC Ray Rhodes
Panthers former Wildcats DC Ted Cottrell
Patriots hire Falcons DC Ed Donatell
Pioneers hire former B8NFLL Steelers OLB Lavar Arrington
Seahawks hire Bills DC Chad Brown
Wildcats hire Bills HC Marvin Lewis
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You STILL push that propaganda? Coaches make or break teams. Single biggest off-season decision. Stop misleading the player-base
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Always good to see former players entering the league as coaches.

Coach Edge interesting
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Former players are the only new entrants into the pool of candidates. If this game didn't have a 30 season limit, you would see that former players would eventually make up 100% of the coaching staffs.
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Player Retirements by Team

I probably won't do this for future seasons, but this was the first season where players from our first draft back in S2 (as well a few from S3) saw active players retire, so I decided to point out each and every one.

Bears
SS Mike Doss (905 tackles, 27 sacks, 24 INTs, 26 FFs, 7 FRs)
LG Langston Walker

Bengals
QB Carson Palmer (32305 passing yards, 210 TDs, 161 INTs, 2-time Pro Bowler)
QB D.J. Shockley (was selected in our first NFL Draft in S2, Steelers 2nd round)
WR Bryant Johnson
DT Mario Fatafehi
CB Fabian Washington

Bills
LT Jeff Backus

Broncos
LG Alan Faneca
C Hank Fraley
QB Michael Vick (29410 passing yards, 10507 rushing yards, 228 total TDs, 168 INTs)
CB Phillip Buchanon (48 INTs, 10 FFs, 15 FRs)
CB Bryant McFadden
TE Kevin Everett
HB J.J. Arrington

Browns
DE Charles Grant (635 tackles, 98 career sacks, 1 INT, 22 FFs, 8 FRs)

Buccaneers
TE Kris Wilson
HB Mewelde Moore
WR Brandon Lloyd
LG Anthony Herrera
CB Randall Gay
DT Anthony Adams
MLB Lance Mitchell
LE Cory Redding
QB Matt Cassell (final member of the Bills/Bucs Brady trade from S3 that remained on their respective team)

Chiefs
FS Ken Hamlin (779 tackles, 21 sacks, 27 INTs, 12 FFs, 12 FRs)

Colts
RT Matt Light
LG Steve Hutchinson
FS Bryan Scott (774 tackles, 20 sacks, 27 INTs, 15 FFs, 15 FRs)
WR Mike Hass (#4 overall pick in S2 draft by Titans, 64% of career rec yards as a Colt, only games missed in career came in final season)
WR Jovon Bouknight (2nd round pick in S2 draft by Redskins, didn't accrue any statistics until final season)
C Al Johnson
HB Frank Gore (close to his real life statistics, only missed career rushing yards by 11425)
LG Enoch Demar

Cowboys
TE Andrew Clarke (4th round pick by Titans in S2 draft)

Dolphins
C Todd McClure
WR Kelly Campbell (844 rec for 11336 yards, 105 TDs, 8-time Pro Bowler, 2-time WR of the Year)
QB Ken Dorsey (Dolphins have had a QB retire in every offseason)
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Falcons
RT Chris Samuels (3-time Pro Bowler)
RG Keydrick Vincent
MLB Gary Brackett (1028 tackles, 17 sacks, 37 INTs, 16 FFs, 15 FRs)
FS Erik Coleman (406 tackles, 10 sacks, 34 INTs, 11 FFs, 10 FRs)
SS Donte Nicholson
QB Rex Grossman
ROLB Thomas Williams (selected in 4th round by Falcons in S2 NFL Draft)

49ers
RT Mark Tauscher (740 blocks vs 58 sacks allowed, 7-time Pro Bowler, 2-time OL of the Year)
HB Tatum Bell (15267 total yards, 105 total TDs, NFL record 2559 rushing yards in S8)
FB Cory Anderson (2nd round pick by Chiefs in S3 draft, 15 of 47 career rushing attempts came in final season)

Giants
LG Ben Hamilton
RE Reggie Hayward (551 tackles, 75 sacks, 20 FFs, 12 FRs)
CB Reuben Houston (1st round pick in S2 draft by then Texans)

Hawks
SS Roy Williams (1313 tackles, 40 sacks, 29 INTs, 18 FFs, 19 FRs, 4-time Pro Bowler)
LT Jonas Jennings
RG Kynan Forney
SS Donnie McCleskey (5th round pick in S2 draft by 49ers)
DT Shaun Rogers (710 tackles, 71 sacks, 1 INT, 12 FFs, 10 FRs
LOLB Landon Johnson (836 tackles, 27 sacks, 13 INTs, 20 FFs, 15 FRs
QB Bruce Gradkowski (2nd round pick in S2 draft by Patriots, first QB to make Pro Bowl with different teams)
RE Aaron Kampman (542 tackles, 67 sacks, 17 FFs, 10 FRs)
CB Antonio Perkins
LE Michael Haynes

Jaguars
SS Michael Lewis (1219 tackles, 34 sacks, 36 INTs, 19 FFs, 19 FRs, 6-time Pro Bowler, 3-time DB of the Year)
FS Bob Sanders (645 tackles, 15 sacks, 28 INTs, 11 FFs, 11 FRs, one of 10 players to have started all 176 B8NFLL games)
CB Antrel Rolle

Jets
RE Antonio Pierce
QB Byron Leftwich (27710 passing yards, 180 TDs, 164 INTs)
WR Steve Odom (2nd pick of Giants in S3 draft, first career rec was a 59 yard TD)
CB Matt Ware

Lightning
MLB Kawika Mitchell (879 tackles, 22 sacks, 6 INTs, 6 FFs, 22 FRs)
CB Daymeion Hughes (3rd round pick by Jets in S3 draft)
RE Justin Smith (558 tackles, 94 sacks, 2 INTs, 8 FFs, 12 FRs)

Lions
SS Lamon Means (2nd round pick by Browns in S2 draft)

Packers
WR Lee Evans (645 rec for 8564 yards, 66 TDs
RG Tom Ashworth
LOLB Spencer Havner (4th round pick by Bucs in S2, MVP in S9)
RE Dwight Freeney (445 tackles, 108 sacks, 29 FFs, 12 FRs)

Panthers
LT Marvel Smith
LOLB Karlos Dansby (727 tackles, 42 sacks, 22 INTs, 13 FFs, 16 INTs)
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Patriots
C Daniel Koppen

Pioneers
HB Willis McGahee (17511 total yards, 113 total TDs, 1100+ rushing yards in 8 B8NFLL season, 3-time Pro Bowler, MVP runner-up in S7 I believe)
MLB Bradie James
LT Seth Wand
CB Nathan Vasher

Pumpkins
RE Eric Henderson (1st round pick of Eagles/Pumpkins in S2 draft, 2 career starts, glitch in game says that he had the career receiving stats of Jerry Rice)
QB Luke McCown

Raiders
WR Anquan Boldin (813 rec for 9923 yards, 61 TDs, one of 10 players to have started all 176 B8NFLL games)
RG Tutan Reyes (7-time Pro Bowler, all in his 8 year career with Raiders)
MLB Larry Foote (1377 tackles, 67 sacks, 14 INTs, 12 FFs, 26 FRs)
HB P.J. Daniels (5th round pick of Seahawks in S2 draft)
DT Larry Tripplett
SS Gibril Wilson
DT Dwan Edwards
RE Roderick Green

Rams
TE Antonio Gates (803 rec for 7321 yards, 40 TDs, 6-time Pro Bowler, one of 10 players to have started all 176 B8NFLL games, teams won double digit games in seven of his 11 seasons and made the playoffs in nine of 11)
WR Bernard Berrian (4-time Pro Bowler, 9 return TDs)
LG Rich Seubert
CB Marlin Jackson
FS Will Allen
CB Scott Starks
LE Dewayne White

Ravens
RG Stephen Neal
C Casey Rabach

Redskins
LG Brian Waters
HB Kevin Jones (Managed to put up 11541 rushing yards despite only four seasons of 1000+)
ROLB Teddy Lehman
RG Martin Bibla
C Mike Pucillo
CB Eric Green
DT Cullen Jenkins
LE Chris Kelsay
RE Calvin Pace

Seahawks
WR Charles Rogers (one of the more underrated players in our league)
QB Charlie Frye
C Makoa Freitas

Steelers
LE Raheem Brock

Titans
HB Marshawn Lynch
QB Kyle Boller
CB Asante Samuel
LOLB Derrick Johnson (started every game from inaugural season through S9)

Vikings
LE Lewis Kelly
HB Ronnie Brown (10336 total yards, 48 TDs, ran for 800+ yards with three franchises)
K Phil Dawson (374 FGM)
LT Courtney Van Buren
RG Phil Bogle
TE Joe Klopfenstein
QB J.P. Losman
LG Taylor Whitley
DT Johnathan Sullivan

Wildcats
CB Darrent Williams (9 career return TDs, Wildcats become first franchise to have none of their inaugural season franchise draft selections remain on their team)

Notable Free Agents
CB Marcus Hudson (20 INTs, 10 FRs)
SS Sean Jones (23 INTs, 3 Def. TDs)
SS Nik Moser (10 sacks, 12 INTs, 12 FFs, 6 FRs)
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NFL Draft Order
1. Patriots
2. Falcons
3. Titans
4. Wildcats
5. Redskins
6. Giants
7. Chiefs
8. Bears
9. Browns
10. 49ers
11. Lightning
12. Pumpkins
13. Hawks
14. Packers
15. Lions
16. Bengals
17. Broncos
18. Jaguars
19. Bills
20. Jets
21. Buccaneers
22. Rams
23. Ravens
24. Pioneers
25. Panthers
26. Steelers
27. Colts
28. Vikings
29. Raiders
30. Seahawks
31. Cowboys
32. Dolphins

Bears own Dolphins 4th
Bills own 49ers 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 7th
Chiefs own Titans 4th
Dolphins own 49ers 1st + 3rd, Steelers 1st + 3rd, Bears 2nd
49ers own Bills 5th, Dolphins 5th
Steelers own Dolphins 6th
Titans own Chiefs 6th
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To Do:
- Inaugural B8NFLL Hall of Fame Ballot (it's going to be very small for this season for reasons I will explain)
- Inform the one user who has a player demanding a trade
- Post Offseason Schedule
- Explain Slash Line
- Send Wiz Redskins stats
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
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I hope the player demanding a trade is on my team, so I can tell him to fuck off
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I think the Jags own my 7th from the Jahvid Best trade.

Hamlin was the one guy i didn't want to retire. But i can't be mad when the rest of the division got decimated.

And hey! Chiefs are outside the top 5 draft picks, small steps!
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Ugh those retirements hurt.
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Is it me or are there more retirements than normal this time?
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I looked through quite a few of them and it seemed like there was a lot of players who would barely see the field on AI teams. I'm not sure when they acquired those players though (I.e. if they picked them up as roster fillers or if they drafted them and barely played them)

Sad to see Doss go but now it's Rambo time! Walker retiring frees up some money too so alrighty then.

Some good coordinator hires, got a pretty good lineup now!

8th overall pick hm? Not bad. Think I can work with that.
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Oh and as for poll. I went for Raiders just due to their retirements and that they are up against the Broncos but I'm sure ratings changes could sway that opinion if they got big bumps for their run

I had been tempted by Vikings after seeing a huge retirement list but it seems like none of their retirements were really a big deal

Tag
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Maniac64 posted...

Ugh those retirements hurt.

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Offseason in a Nutshell

Every user this season is a returner, so none of these should need much explanation to anyone. There are four major events during the offseason. They will be explained in full detail when the time comes, but here they are:

1. Restricted Free Agency
2. Unrestricted Free Agents
3. NFL Draft + Signing Rookies
4. Free Agency

Restricted Free Agency - This is easily the most complex of the four, yet it is the one that has the lowest activity. A small sub-section of players whose contracts run out are considered restricted free agents. These players can, but do not have to, be signed by their original teams to a 1 year contract at one of three fixed amounts. Those that do sign can then be offered contracts by any of the other 31 teams to multiyear deals. Any team who has a player sign a contract with another team will then have the opportunity to match said contract or let them sign with another team and receive NFL Draft pick compensation.

Unrestricted Free Agents - Any player with an expired contract who was not considered a restricted free agent is thus an unrestricted free agent. Teams then can elect to re-sign the remaining players or let them enter the free agent market. Unlike the previous event, the other 31 teams cannot do anything to you, so you are free to operate without outside pressure. There are a few more wrinkles, but it is pretty straightforward.

NFL Draft + Signing Rookies - This is an event where all 32 teams can select college football players to join their team. Each team normally has seven draft picks, one for each of the seven rounds of the draft. The order that a team selects is based on their record and playoff performance, if applicable, from the season before. Earlier in the topic, I mentioned this season's draft order, and all teams are free to trade draft picks. After the draft, a separate period of time is devoted to signing all the players that a team drafted.

Free Agency - All players not signed or re-signed in the previous three events enter the free agent pool, and this is the time that every team is able to bid on the services of those without a team (aka free agents).
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The Almighty Slash Line

All contracts will be presented to you via slash lines. It is imperative that you interpret and understand a slash line and its components, so here is an example to kick off my seasonal explanation:

3 / $7.50 mil / $1.80 mil

3 = length in seasons that the contract will last. All contracts will end up being between 1-7 seasons in length. There are some in-game and league-mandated limitations on length, but I will explain that rather soon.

$7.50 mil = Total salary that a player will earn over the life of the contract should the contract not be reworked while still under said contract or the player released.

Using this example, the player will receive $7.50 mil over three seasons, which gives him an average cap hit of $2.50 mil. His cap hit will not be $2.50 mil in each season though. This contract will see the player's cap hit rise each season, so his first year cap hit might be $2.12 mil, $2.47 mil for the second season, and $2.91 mil for the final season.

$1.80 mil = Portion of total salary that is guaranteed, aka signing bonus. For most, this is the hardest thing to grasp about the slash line and contracts in general. The NFL does not have fully guaranteed contracts, which means that what a player signs for might not actually be what they receive in the end. The team that signs a player to a contract will always be on the hook for the final figure in a slash line, with the only exception being if a player retires while under contract.

Using this example, the player might have a cap hit of $2.12, $2.47, and $2.91 mil in the first, second, and third seasons. However, his signing bonus is stretched out evenly across every season. The annual bonus in this contract would be $600k ($1.80 mil / 3 years). The annual bonus is a feature on the team financial sheet, so that info will always be available to you.

Now, if you trade or release a player under contract with guaranteed money, you will receive a reduction in your salary cap space, aka cap penalty, that is equal to their annual bonus x the years remaining on their contract. Using this example once again, let's say the player is released after the first season. That would leave him with $1.20 mil left in guaranteed money ($600k annual bonus x 2 years left on contract). The team that signed him to that contract would then be issued a cap penalty the following offseason to the tune of $1.20 mil.

If that player would be traded instead, the original team would receive the same cap penalty, but the new team would have a discounted contract. Because the original team is always on the hook for the guaranteed money, the $1.20 mil that is still owed that player is taken out of the contract for the new team. If the cap hits for years 2 and 3 were originally $2.47 and $2.91 mil and the annual bonus was $600k, then the new cap hits for the new team would be $1.87 and $2.31 mil. The new team could then release or trade the player at any time without financial repercussions since the contract no longer had any guaranteed money attached.

Finally, in case someone doesn't know, mil = dollars in millions while k = dollars in thousands.
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I would like to fire my entire coaching staff, please
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tag
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Inaugural B8NFLL Hall of Fame Ballot

For starters, this isn't a big deal, but it's something that I've had in the works for awhile. Basically, I wanted to commemorate players who had stellar B8NFLL careers. It isn't that simple though as the program that compiles stats for the game isn't 100% transparent, which hurts incumbent players as it can be impossible to tell from their career lines what came before or during their B8NFLL career.

That's why I decided to take a hardline stance of only considering players who debuted in the inaugural season or later and incumbent players whose career stat line showed no production entering the inaugural season. I kept a mental note of some that fit the latter. All OL are eligible as blocks and sacks allowed were not official stats or something, so they were considered to have no career stats to begin with. I planned to do this last offseason, but the pool of players were weak given my prerequisites. This offseason though saw two surefire players to be considered and also a third player that actually violates one of my "hardline" rules, but I am going to mention them for a specific reason.

The following post will contain all three nominees that I came up with. I assume all future seasons will provide as many or more. I will also provide a detailed dossier for the current batch. You can post your responses, PM them to me, discuss or whatever. You decide what your criteria for selection is. You can base it solely off of the context of B8NFLL, compare to real life stats, or some marriage of the two. Because I have absolutely no idea what the participation level in this will be, I will utilize the peer review method of using my discretion to discern the overall mood.
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1. WR Kelly Campbell

- Played all 11 seasons for Dolphins
- 844 receptions for 11336 yards (13.4 YPC), 105 TDs
- Season average of 76.7 rec for 1030.5 yards, 9.5 TDs
- 60+ rec and 800+ rec yards in every season
- 8-time Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S5, S7, S8, S9, S10, S11)
- 2-time WR of the Year (S9, S10)
- Named SB XI MVP

2. RT Mark Tauscher

- Played all 11 seasons for 49ers
- 740 blocks vs 58 sacks allowed (12.7 blocks per sack allowed)
- Allowed single digit sacks in every season
- Blocked for four different 1000+ yard rushers (and six at 800+)
- Season average of 67.2 blocks vs 5.2 sacks allowed
- 7-time Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S4, S7, S8, S9, S10)
- 2-time OL of the Year (S3, S8)

3. HB Tatum Bell

- Played S1-3 for Cowboys, S4-S5 for Wildcats, S6 for Vikings, S7-S11 for 49ers
- 14791 total yards during B8NFLL career (12195 rushing on 4.5 YPC and 2596 receiving on 9.0 YPC)
- 102 total TDs during B8NFLL career (83 rushing, 19 receiving)
- Rushed for 1000+ yards in 7 of 11 seasons
- Averaged 1623 total yards per season in the nine seasons he was the primary starter (all but S5 and S6)
- Named MVP in S8 after rushing for 2559 rushing yards and recording 23 TDs

I decided to make an exception and add Tatum Bell to the ballot due to his record-shattering S8 and recording 100+ TDs in his career. If you feel that his inclusion was a mistake due to what I pointed out in the previous post, feel free to say no to his candidacy.

It's probably best if your format is along these lines:
Campbell - Yes
Tauscher - Yes
Bell - No

[Optional but Encouraged Reasoning Here]

As long as you are clear in your decisions, I will accept other formats too. Deadline will be, I don't know, this upcoming Friday the 21st? This is a pretty informal thing at least this time, so I don't really have a set deadline. I'm just mainly looking for some additional discussion topics while take my time updating the spreadsheet.
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To Do:
- Send Wiz Redskins stats
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
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Also to do:
- Clean up my PMs since I have exceeded 500 again
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Anyone want to make a case for Bell? I'm undecided on him?

Man i lost a lot in retirement

Also I thought I still had my 2nd?
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You gave it up in a draft-day trade with the Bills.
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Yeah I gave up like almost every pick, but i thought the 2nd round I kept
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I guess it's my 4th I had still

Am I getting retro protection on the first round or nah

I'm cool either way, just bringing it up since it was mentioned after
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Because you picked 10th instead of something closer to 5th, I would rather keep it. If you REALLY want it though, we can talk. I was actually going to approach you about acquiring one of my late 1sts that didn't involve you giving me a future 1st in return.
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MysteriousStan posted...

Anyone want to make a case for Bell? I'm undecided on him?

Holds the rushing record that is unlikely to be surpassed and 1623 yards a season is monstrous as an average. Most years 1623 is Top 3 to 5 rushing and this dude averaged that. And I have to assume being a running back he got injured at some point so to average that with injuries in ridiculous

1623 total yards a season as the primary starter. He obviously wasn't the biggest receiving threat out of the backfield, but it wasn't 1623 rushing yards. I can provide more detailed stat breakdowns by season, but it's my mom's birthday, so it will probably be later in the evening.
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KCF0107 posted...

Because you picked 10th instead of something closer to 5th, I would rather keep it. If you REALLY want it though, we can talk. I was actually going to approach you about acquiring one of my late 1sts that didn't involve you giving me a future 1st in return.

Yeah that's fine. It's not a super high pick so that's fair

And I'm always open to hear about trades
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Those stats are impressive, but the only way to compare those guys to their contemporaries is going off of their accolades. You could make a case that 2 POY at their positions and that many Pro-Bowls means they are the best of the best (my criteria for HOF) but there are 8 Pro-Bowl OTs and 12 WRs each season. Who's to say they aren't just very good.

Does the game allow you compare career stats by position (going to guess "no", otherwise you'd have given those rankings, but I'm gonna ask anyway)? If so, is it too late to compare considering those guys are retired and removed from the player pool?

Regarding Bell, I'm going to say no exception. He gets a plaque or whatever for holding the record, maybe his shoes are bronzed and placed in Virtual Canton, but breaking a single-season record does not ensure entry to the Hall, so it shouldn't exempt him from the rules.
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I know this is a case of apples to oranges, but just for some context, if that yardage were up for election in real life, he'd be placed 15th in the all time rushing list in the real NFL, and only 1 player in the top 15 who is not still playing has not made the HoF yet. Regardless of what guidelines KCF has laid out for nomination just based on being able to keep track of stats, and regardless of whether or not he meets those guidelines, those feel like HoF numbers to me, just as far as the total body of work, not even influenced by his monster season.
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Just for comparison. Jamario Thomas has been my workhorse in the last 5 seasons. In those 5 seasons as a starter he has averaged ~1400 total yards a season and has started probably 75-80% of all games (which feels about average for a HB?). He has 34 TDs in those 5 seasons.

Bell has 102 TDs in 11 seasons and averaged 1623 total yards across 9 seasons. So both a decent chunk ahead of Jamario.

Jamario is a significantly above average HB imo. He is a 90+ rated RB who has been getting 80/20 splits on a running heavy team and has a rushing title of his own. He isn't the best HB in the league but he's probably 'elite' and has been Top 5 during that stretch

To Do:
- Send Wiz Redskins stats
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
- Clean up PMs
- Talk to Scare
- Give stat breakdown for Bell
- Give what info regarding Socko's request
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SockoressKnight posted...

Those stats are impressive, but the only way to compare those guys to their contemporaries is going off of their accolades. You could make a case that 2 POY at their positions and that many Pro-Bowls means they are the best of the best (my criteria for HOF) but there are 8 Pro-Bowl OTs and 12 WRs each season. Who's to say they aren't just very good.

Does the game allow you compare career stats by position (going to guess "no", otherwise you'd have given those rankings, but I'm gonna ask anyway)? If so, is it too late to compare considering those guys are retired and removed from the player pool?

1. Remember that Pro Bowl selections are by conference, so there 4 OTs and 6 WRs per conference each season named to the Pro Bowl.

2. There is no career stats by position menu, but I can look at career stats for specific overarching categories like receiving and blocking. The problem is that it also includes stats carried over from applicable players' careers prior to B8NFLL, so I will have to do some additional work for receivers and rushers. Blocking as I said had 0s across the board from the get-go, so that will be easier to do.

3. I can still look at the stats of retired players for the time being, and they are also included in the overall career stats among all active players. I forget when that changes, but I want to say before the draft, so that won't be an issue.
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Personally the only way Bell isn't worthy to me is if you're having a hardline stance on players who had stats prior to the game starting. If you are setting Bell as the benchmark you are essentially asking a player to average 1000+ rushing yard / 10+ TDs a season for 12 seasons to get consideration.

How many players in the league have as many yards as Bell? How many can potentially pass his yard/TD totals? I feel the answer to that has to be pretty low (3? 4?) as we don't get many year 1 starters at RB and RB is such a high attrition position that the players who can reach those numbers get curtailed by injuries.

I think KCF gave us a list of names who had a shot at Emmitt Smith's record maybe last season and the list was incredibly small and needed significant luck. Jacquizz Rodgers was the main candidate I think.

Tatum Bell's career:
S1 with Cowboys - 425 carries for 1912 yards, 50 receptions for 415 yards, 15 total TDs in 16 games, 16 starts
S2 with Cowboys - 340 carries for 1276 yards, 41 receptions for 395 yards, 15 total TDs, in 16 games, 16 starts
S3 with Cowboys - 263 carries for 1049 yards, 38 receptions for 361 yards, 7 total TDs in 14 games, 14 starts
S4 with Wildcats - 160 carries for 707 yards, 54 receptions for 417 yards, 8 total TDs in 16 games, 16 starts
S5 with Wildcats - no stats, 16 games, no starts
S6 with Vikings - 31 carries for 165 yards, 2 receptions for 16 yards, 1 total TD in 14 games, no starts
S7 with 49ers - 224 carries for 1220 yards, 26 receptions for 207 yards, 6 total TDs in 11 games, 11 starts
S8 with 49ers - 533 carries for 2559 yards, 24 receptions for 261 yards, 23 total TDs in 16 games, 16 starts
S9 with 49ers - 268 carries for 1228 yards, 19 receptions for 213 yards, 9 total TDs in 12 games, 12 starts
S10 with 49ers - 273 carries for 1170 yards, 15 receptions for 127 yards, 11 total TDs in 13 games, 13 starts
S11 with 49ers - 196 carries for 909 yards, 19 receptions for 184 yards, 7 total TDs in 10 games, 10 starts

In 122 starts, he put up an average of 119.7 total yards a game and 0.82 TDs per game.

He was a player whose stats prior to B8NFLL were clearly outlined and check out, which is a reason why I allowed him to be on the ballot and why his retirement stats and ballot stats aren't identical.
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Career B8NFLL Receiving Yards Leaders (among active and recently retired players):
1. Kelly Campbell - 11336
2. Mark Clayton - 11264
3. Nate Burleson - 10401
4. Andre Johnson - 10274
5. Larry Fitzgerald - 10225
6. Roy Williams - 9932
7. Keary Colbert - 9687
8. Michael Clayton - 8625
9. Roddy White - 8532
10. Anquan Boldin - 7923

Career B8NFLL Receiving TDs Leaders (among active and recently retired players):
1. Kelly Campbell - 105
2. Andre Johnson - 96
3. Mark Clayton - 78
4. Keary Colbert - 77
5. Nate Burleson - 75
6. Roy Williams - 74
7. Ted Ginn - 69
8. Larry Fitzgerald - 67
9. Michael Clayton - 64
10. Lee Evans - 57
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Career Blocking Leaders (among active and recently retired players and in order of total blocks)
1. Shane Olivea - 895 blocks, 71 sacks allowed
2. Kareem McKenzie - 766 blocks, 67 sacks allowed
3. Daniel Inman - 762 blocks, 45 sacks allowed
4. Mark Tauscher - 740 blocks, 58 sacks allowed
5. Kwame Harris - 645 blocks, 77 sacks allowed
6. George Foster - 599 blocks, 45 blocks allowed
7. Chris Samuels - 594 blocks, 81 sacks allowed
8. Jordan Gross - 571 blocks, 59 sacks allowed
9. Robert Gallery - 568 blocks, 60 sacks allowed
10. Justin Blalock - 566 blocks, 50 sacks allowed

It isn't feasible to separate by sacks allowed or blocks per sack allowed. Also note that these are all OTs as OTs tend have far prettier lines to look at than interior OL.

I might do a deep dive of interior OL right now because there might be a fourth worthy candidate.
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Career Blocking Leaders among interior OL (active/recently retired players and by total blocks again)
1. Tutan Reyes - 562 blocks, 85 sacks allowed
2. Shawn Andrews - 560 blocks, 121 sacks allowed
3. Roberto Garza - 549 blocks, 104 sacks allowed
4. Jeff Faine - 532 blocks, 104 sacks allowed
5. Jake Grove - 514 blocks, 85 sacks allowed
6. Melvin Fowler - 497 blocks, 85 sacks allowed
7. Kynan Forney - 486 blocks, 109 sacks allowed
8. Kyle Young - 478 blocks, 78 sacks allowed
9. Todd McClure - 474 blocks, 96 sacks allowed
10. Chris Snee - 473 blocks, 92 sacks allowed

Should I add 7-time Pro Bowler Tutan Reyes as a candidate? It really depends if you want to consider blocking as a whole the same or differentiate between outer and interior OL.
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To Do:
- Start Updating Spreadsheet
- Clean up PMs
- Possibly give a career stat update for HBs or something like I did for WRs and OL?
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