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SockoressKnight
06/18/19 9:19:28 AM
#51:


No to Kelly Campbell. KCF cheated. Product of the system. Etc, etc....
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ShatteredElysium
06/18/19 10:15:53 AM
#52:


I'm sure people are aware by now that I am always open to trading but now that the season has ticked over I'm reminding people that these players are potentially available.

G Jonathan Fletcher (90 OVR - 25yo)
QB Michael Turner (84 OVR - 27yo)
FS Corey Campbell (88 OVR - 31yo) or the younger FS Tashaun Gipson (84 OVR - 27yo)
MLB Bryan Vinson (86 OVR - 29yo)

I could also probably be persuaded to part with one of my WRs (Meachem 91 OVR and O'Neal 85 OVR). I'm mainly looking for draft picks or a high end DE

Using last seasons ratings (because not everyone has been updated but above OVRs and Ages are accurate for those players at least) this is where those OVRs rank compared against the league

90 OVR Guard = Joint 21st (through to 30th)
84 OVR QB - 30th
88 OVR FS = Joint 13th (through to 15th)
84 OVR FS = Joint 26th (through to 28th)
86 OVR MLB = Joint 16th (through to 17th)
91 OVR WR = Joint 3rd (through to 8th)
85 OVR WR = Joint 25th (through to 49th)

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ShatteredElysium
06/18/19 11:17:43 AM
#53:


Just updating my spreadsheets and I know 3 teams have been updated (Wildcats, Panthers, Steelers). Seems like some Wildcats had stellar years ratings jump wise

Tyson Alualu dropped from 80 to 79 in his rookie season but bounced back to 83 this season
Robert Quinn stayed idle at 83 in his rookie season but jumped to 85 this season
Avery Williamson continues to be probably the steal of the draft jumping to 84 (projected 4th-5th and started as a 76)

Wildcats now have 2x 84 rated OLBs who are only 24/25 yo and OLB is one of the weaker positions in the league where 84 is ~30th rated in the league but ~64th rated (I.e. back end OLB2) is a lowly 77.

Steelers and Panthers ratings jumps for draftees in the last 2 seasons far duller and nothing really notable. I guess Breeland is partially notable for going 77 > 78 if only because he was a 74 after preseason (which I'm sure happens more frequently than we know but I have no intention of making KCF giving us notable preseason jumps/drops)
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MegamanX
06/18/19 1:40:21 PM
#54:


*Falcons press conference starts*

Press: Who are you voting for the hof?

Me: Campbell - Yes
Tauscher - Yes
Bell - No

Press: Why not Bell

Me: We don't vote cowboys thats gross #bias

Press: Sir did you just hashtag?
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ScareChan
06/18/19 9:11:21 PM
#55:


Yes to all for HoF
2/3 Niners how can I not
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Ranlom
06/19/19 7:17:38 AM
#56:


Campbell - Yes
Tauscher - No
Bell - No
Reyes - Yes
DeAngelo Williams - Yes
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SockoressKnight
06/19/19 9:20:18 AM
#57:


Just realized that in his record breaking season, Bell had over 100 more carries than the actual record for most carries in a season...
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ShatteredElysium
06/19/19 9:51:49 AM
#58:


I have to assume they had a ridiculously run heavy strategy that season as I'm typically a run heavy team and even when my RB1 stays healthy for the full season he ends up with about 400-430 carries which is still crazy high considering that's just carries and not touches.

This version of Madden does favor the run though. The league leading passers are usually ~3000-3500 yards and ~25-30 TDs whereas the league leading rusher is usually 1800+ yards and it's not unusual to have 5+ RB's at like 1500+ yards for the season.
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theawesomestevr
06/19/19 10:28:40 AM
#59:


I'm going to vote no for almost everyone for like the next 5 seasons just so I have a better idea of what the criteria will be for getting in (I'm assuming that they'll still be on the ballot in the future if they don't make it in their first year). Also, voting no for Kelly Campbell since Dolphins players are well known for their ties to PED usage, and I cannot in good conscience endorse such behavior.
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KCF0107
06/19/19 10:41:52 AM
#60:


It was inferred but not said outright, but it will probably be a one-time chance for all players. Otherwise I will have to remember and record career stats and everything, and that just seems unnecessary.

Because this is a static era (no rule changes, no coaching philosophy changes, etc...), timing is irrelevant. If a retired player had or did not have a Hall of Fame caliber career, that will be the same now or ten seasons later. The only difference is that the players now have 11 years of experience while future players could have as much as 20.
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theawesomestevr
06/19/19 10:45:07 AM
#61:


Yeah, their inability to have a full career makes it tough for me to judge, so I'll change my votes to abstains then.

Edit: To elaborate, I can only really compare their stats right now against NFL equivalents, whereas this game is its own thing, so it's hard for me to judge when there isn't a real point of comparison. Like Campbell probably deserves to be in, but I don't know enough about the others, and I can't, again, in good conscience vote for most Dolphins players for such a prestigious honor.
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ShatteredElysium
06/19/19 11:19:28 AM
#62:


Kelly Campbell

All time leader in yards and TD's. Whilst his yardage is going to be surpassed, his TD total is going to remain at the top (or top 2) for a long time. It is also worth noting that Campbell put up these numbers playing a lot of his career as WR2. How many WR2's are putting up 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs a season? As a one off sure but consistently? Those are ridiculous numbers. A lot of peoples WR1s don't even put up those numbers. I know that I have precisely zero 1000+ Yards 10+ TD seasons by a Wide Receiver in the last 6 seasons and I have always had a 90+ WR on the team (granted being thrown to be a multitude of bad QBs)

Vote - Yes

Mark Tauscher

This one I am more torn on as his totals are likely to be surpassed however retiring O-line men are at a disadvantage stat wise. I'm assuming that O-linemen retiring now started off in the game at ~25-26 with empty stats but they lost their first 2-4 seasons of stats. Whereas going forward we are going to start getting Oline players who were drafted as 21-23 year olds and so get 13-17 years of stats behind them instead of the 11 years of stats that Tauscher gets. I think in isolation we can see his Blocks/Sacks ratio is outstanding. He may not lead that blocks category and is only going to fall down the list but his ratio is going to remain at the top end. His stats on a per season basis fall under the same criteria. And his number of post season awards only add to that

Vote - Yes or save his numbers and revisit in 1-2 seasons when that Top 10 list changes

Tatum Bell

I think I've already spoken enough on Bell but he has an MVP award, a record season that is unlikely to be surpassed and if we relook at his stats 5 years down the line he is probably still going to fall in the Top 3 to 5 stat wise.

Vote - Yes unless you guys wants to be sticklers with the criteria

Tutan Reyes

His block total is clearly going to be surpassed but the same thing that applies to Tauscher also applies to Reyes. If you look at that list on a Sack/Block Ratio you can see he clearly has the best ratio and unless the people behind him have a monstrous few seasons that's likely to stay the same. Maybe some people just off the list have better ratios and will make his numbers look worse in a few seasons when they breech the top 10?

Vote - Yes or save his stats and revist in 1-2 seasons when that list changes

I think that is anyone is going to finish their career in the Top 3-5 of a position and their stat line is going to hold up in the Top 3-5 for the foreseeable future (4-5 years?) then they should get into the HOF
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SockoressKnight
06/19/19 11:52:44 AM
#63:


I have no problem letting Bell in based on his stats, but I am against making an exception for Bell because of his stats. Either everyone with pre-League stats is eligible, or none of them are.
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ShatteredElysium
06/19/19 12:01:58 PM
#64:


I think it's something that stops being an issue very quickly. The number of players still in the game who had stats at game start has to be minimal now. Best case scenario a player with stats would be 22 assuming they were drafted at 21 and had played 1 season but in most cases they would be older. That essentially rules out virtually all skill positions.

Some of the remaining players don't come in game with stats because of their position played.

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theawesomestevr
06/19/19 2:08:15 PM
#65:


ShatteredElysium posted...
It is also worth noting that Campbell put up these numbers playing a lot of his career as WR2. How many WR2's are putting up 1000+ yards and 10+ TDs a season

I don't think that's actually worth noting. There are very few formations with one WR.

Also, I had Chad Johnson at WR2 for the large majority of one season with Lymon as WR1 and Johnson still put up numbers you'd expect from a WR1 (I actually made the switch after a poor start to the season and Johnson put up much better numbers the rest of the way as WR2; probably a coincidence, but thought I'd mention it).
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SockoressKnight
06/19/19 2:30:18 PM
#66:


Flanker position > Split End position confirmed
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MysteriousStan
06/20/19 9:23:20 AM
#67:


I see stevr's point but it's not enough for me to abstain and such as I think Campbell should be a lock. Tauscher and Reyes have excellent ratios which is what gets the nod for me. Outside of Bell's MVP year his totals seem more average to me I guess but I'm willing to make him the standard for future HBs coming up in the future which is basically how I'm viewing all the nominees this year anyway.

Campbell - Yes
Tauscher - Yes
Reyes - Yes
Bell - Yes
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SockoressKnight
06/20/19 9:32:48 AM
#68:


O-Line stats are biased towards linemen on teams that run the ball.
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KCF0107
06/21/19 4:23:25 AM
#69:


That's only partially true. OL on run-oriented teams (which I will define as any user team whose run-pass off. strategy was 51-49 or greater and any AI team with more carries than pass attempts), tend to have higher block figures than those from pass-oriented teams.

Sacks allowed figures are completely different. 7 of the 10 teams that gave up the most sacks in the league were run-oriented and it was split down the middle when it came to the teams that gave up the fewest sacks. This is similar to how its always been, so I believe it is safe to say that offensive philosophy has no (or weak at best) correlation to the amount of sacks a team gives up.

That being said, I do not believe it is fair to hold that against players, especially in a league where they basically have no control over anything. We pull basically all the strings unless you piss off a player so much that they will not play for you via trade demands.

Also, and I am trying to protect proprietary information from user teams, but the assumption that Tauscher's career was spent in a run-oriented offense is completely false.
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KCF0107
06/21/19 4:37:26 AM
#70:


Also, HB is one of a few positions where many incumbent players had clear and accurate stats from seasons prior to B8NFLL. Several QBs, WRs, and TEs also check out.

All defensive positions, Ks, and Ps have various issues, so incumbent players for all those positions will sadly not be on future Hall of Fame Ballots (which is a shame because SS Michael Lewis has a case for best B8NFLL player ever).

Right now, active players with stats prior to B8NFLL who could be considered are:
QB Ben Roethlisberger
HB Steven Jackson
WR Andre Johnson
WR Nate Burleson
WR Larry Fitzgerald
WR Roy Williams
WR Keary Colbert
WR Michael Clayton

And out of all of these, the only one that I feel certain about is Johnson, so honestly there will be very few who would ultimately find themselves up for Hall of Fame consideration.
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KCF0107
06/21/19 5:17:47 AM
#71:


In addition to doing the Wildcats, Panthers, and Steelers roster updates earlier this week, I have now through the Cincinnati Bengals. I just have to do 24 more teams, do the entirety of the Team Financial and Free Agent sheets.
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SockoressKnight
06/21/19 6:40:19 AM
#72:


The team stats may even out, but you can't give up sacks on run plays...

Tauscher's entire career? Probably not. He did win Offensive Lineman of the Year in the same season that Tatum Bell had a thousand carries.
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Ranlom
06/21/19 9:19:30 AM
#73:


Not sure if it makes a difference, but I'm giving Tauscher and Bell a yes as well.

Also putting WR Dez Bryant (82 OVR - 26 y/o, top 15 prospect in the Season 8 draft) on the trade block.
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SockoressKnight
06/21/19 9:36:13 AM
#74:


inb4 every nominated player ever is elected into the Hall
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KCF0107
06/21/19 11:25:08 AM
#75:


I mean, I do choose players who I think have at least decent odds of getting in. Do you want me to toss in some players who have virtually no chance?
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KCF0107
06/21/19 12:03:35 PM
#76:


SockoressKnight posted...
The team stats may even out, but you can't give up sacks on run plays

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
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SockoressKnight
06/21/19 12:07:35 PM
#77:


No...it's fine...>_>

Kelly Campbell - yes
Mark Tauscher - abstain
Tatum Bell - yes

Tutan Reyes - abstain
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SockoressKnight
06/21/19 12:12:26 PM
#78:


KCF0107 posted...
SockoressKnight posted...
The team stats may even out, but you can't give up sacks on run plays

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.


The number of sacks allowed is misleading. A more accurate stat would be the percentage of pass plays that result in a sack.....but asking for that would be unreasonable, so I won't
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KCF0107
06/21/19 12:16:40 PM
#79:


I mean, if that is your frame of mind around statistics, then basically any total *insert your stat here* would be suspect, and we shouldn't bother with the league leader sheet, awards, game summaries, or stat PMs as they would all contain incomplete and thus misleading information.
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ScareChan
06/21/19 1:16:01 PM
#80:


Man

Bernard dropping to me when he did was a blessing with Bell gone

he did very well and now he is A1 on depth chart

had the best draft last year hands down *Nods*
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SockoressKnight
06/21/19 1:34:38 PM
#81:


"There are three lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics"

Sports numbers are fun. They are the primary source of debate, which is one of the largest appeals of sports. They paint a picture of the game when you are otherwise unable to watch it (like in this project). But they aren't the be all end all.

I hope I'm not coming across as ungrateful. I appreciate your efforts and hope you will continue posting stats.

If anything, it has become clear to me that I understand not my duty as a voter, nor the goal of this voting body. My nonsensical ramblings have only served to muddy that which I have hoped to make clear. As such, I withdraw my previous votes, as well as myself from this selection process. If you need me, I shall be in the corner sulking.
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Emeraldegg
06/21/19 2:59:28 PM
#82:


Let's not let this become a huge divider, peeps. This is just another fun little nook for us to explore within the project but it's not something worth people getting upset about. Everyone should take out of it as much or little as they want, and remember that not getting in the HoF doesn't mean that player's career for their team was worth less because of it.
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KCF0107
06/21/19 3:55:29 PM
#83:


I thinking that you are reading too much into things. Neither Socko or I are upset lol.
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Eddv
06/21/19 4:10:11 PM
#84:


Let's not do this like Tatum Bell was Edgerrin James going into the 2005 season.

I think he's fine to let in.
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TheKnightOfNee
06/21/19 8:13:53 PM
#85:


Campbell - Yes
Tauscher - Yes
Bell - Yes
Reyes - Yes

Had to think a bit more about the last two, but I think overall, I'm fine with all four being there. It's not like letting in 4 players a year is a ton, anyway.
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ShatteredElysium
06/22/19 8:26:10 AM
#86:


Updating my expected holes sheet and before I reset it, I kinda want to see how my notes panned out versus what I actually ended up doing. Notes were done before ratings/retirements so a little earlier than I'm doing them this year.

HBx 2 - HB2 will likely get reps and should potentially be looking for a future JT replacement. HB3 can just be roster filler. Address high in draft or FA.

What happened - Drafted Carlos Hyde in the 3rd (77 > 78) because the board was bad for HBs. Drafted HB3 in 4th and later traded him (with other stuff) for Jahvid Best (84). Jamario did get injured as I feared but then so did Hyde immediately after. Ended up grabbing Kestahn Moore (85 > 86) in FA and playing him until Best took over in the playoffs due to injury.

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WR x1 - High need and need to try get a replacement WR1 down the line. Trade or high pick

What happened - Traded for Kenny O'Neal (85) to play WR2. Grabbed Jeff Janis (75 > 76) in the 4th. Played 7th round sophomore Kevin Owen at WR3 after he jumped 68 > 73 last season since he's also the returner but he stayed static rating wise.

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CBx1 - Will be CB3. Use mid-high pick.

What happened - Drafted Breeland (77 > 78) with a 2nd round pick. Played CB3 all season.

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OT + C or G - Backup player at OT as Pearson likely has 2-3 seasons left. Either midround stopgap or a future starter depending on Castonzo development. Levitre can replace retiring Meester but still need a starting caliber G

What happened - Drafted Schraeder (79) with a 2nd because of how flooded the board was with falling OTs. Grabbed G Fletcher (89 > 90) in RFA. Acquired C Sitton (83) in a trade. Levitre (87 > 90) did start C and was excellent. Castonzo developed into starter quality and has been shifted to guard permanently (where probably 80% of his career snaps have happened)

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DE + TE + DT - All have same notes of backup, not expected to play

What happaned - Brock unexpectedly played another year so no DE was needed. Klugg (79) was acquired at DT via a like for like trade for an OLB. Johnson (68 > 71) was drafted at TE in the 7th.

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OLB - Likely trade away Galette. Could try draft a starter but that would usurp Tulloch who is productive despite rating.

What happened - Drafted Haley (74 > 76) in the 3rd who was a backup before starting at end of the season and in the playoffs due to injury. Tulloch as expected was highly productive and has now gone 76 > 84 in 2 seasons of backup and 2 seasons of starting despite being 32.

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KCF0107
06/22/19 6:52:30 PM
#87:


Hall of Fame results

In the case of WR Kelly Campbell...
10 Yes
0 No

HALL OF FAMER!

In the case of OT Mark Tauscher...
8 Yes
1 No
HALL OF FAMER!

In the case of HB Tatum Bell...
8 Yes
2 No
HALL OF FAMER!

In the case of G Tutan Reyes
5 Yes
0 No

HALL OF FAMER!

I will make sure to add them to the Hall of Champions/Fame wiki page later on, though I am not entirely sure how I am going to format it.

Also, the free agent sheet is updated (decided to do the shorter one lol), so I just have to do remaining roster and all team financial.
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ScareChan
06/23/19 12:40:40 AM
#88:


its the year of the niners

2 hall of famers

and a super bowl on the way
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SockoressKnight
06/23/19 7:50:30 AM
#89:


Lol Connor Hughes

Jason Robbins for HoF
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KCF0107
06/23/19 10:17:15 PM
#90:


Down to 8 teams left in roster sheets starting with Oakland Raiders
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ShatteredElysium
06/23/19 11:33:00 PM
#91:


Without looking at my spreadsheet I can already tell some of those Dolphins gains were monstrous. Which is to be expected but man having such a great season sure does wonders for your players ratings.
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ShatteredElysium
06/24/19 11:00:29 AM
#92:


KCF updated all the teams last night so let's go through some of the biggest climbers over the last 2 seasons (I do have a small amount of data for 3-5 seasons ago but I'm unlikely to compile that). I think I'm going to cap it off at +3 risers or better at 80+ and +4 or better below 80 to prevent the list being too long

Season 11 Draft
MLB Alvin Wiliams 65 > 75 (Vikings 7th #7)
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OLB Tee Ilko 75 > 84 (Raiders 4th #16) - Pretty certain KCF highlighted this pick as one he loved
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DT Kawann Short 81 > 88 (Dolphins 1st #20)
TE Travis Kelce 79 > 86 (Vikings 3rd #7)
MLB Joey Kaufman 71 > 78 (Lightning 5th #18)
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OT Morgan Moses 83 > 89 (Dolphins 1st #10)
C David Andrews 79 > 85 (Bucs 4th #9)
DT Dominique Easley 76 > 82 (Cowboys 2nd #32)
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WR Sammy Watkins 80 > 85 (Cowboys 1st #32)
SS Jaquiski Tartt 79 > 84 (Dolphins 3rd #10)
TE Trey Burton 78 > 83 (Bears 3rd #13)
SS David Suggs 76 > 81 (Cowboys 3rd #32)
WR Dennis Robinson 73 > 78 (Raiders 6th #20)
WR Chauncey Sharpner 72 > 77 (Cowboys 6th #32)
TE Josh Hill 71 > 76 (Pioneers 7th #4)
DE Aaron Burton 69 > 74 (Patriots 7th #1)
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FS Byron Jones 83 > 87 (Seahawks 1st #22)
SS Clayton Geathers 79 > 83 (Pumpkins 3rd #5)
OT Ty Sambrailo 75 > 79 (Jags 4th #29)
WR Cordarrelle Paterson 75 > 79 (Colts 4th #19)
OLB Luther Lewis 74 > 78 (Bears 3rd #17)
OLB Edgar Jones 74 > 78 (Raiders 5th #20)
G Mark Glowinski 74 > 78 (Bengals 6th #3)
C Brent Anderson 70 > 74 (Lions 7th #24)
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OT Taylor Lewan 83 > 86 (Hawks 1st #12)
P Pat O'Donnell 82 > 85 (Dolphins 4th #1)
SS Derek Linde 79 > 83 (Broncos 3rd #30)
OLB Shaq Thompson 80 > 83 (Redskins 1st #16)
WR Davante Adams 80 > 83 (Jets 2nd #28)
OT Luke Joeckel 79 > 82 (Raiders 2nd #16)

I think this highlights the common denominator that KCF tries to drill home. To see big developments in players you typically need a combination of success and playtime. You might see some large jumps out of lower rated players who just get playtime but for players to have decent jumps into the 80s they likely need to be part of a successful unit/team or have a stellar season (Trey Burton sticks out as Stan says the Bears passing game was awful but Burton was the team leader)

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SockoressKnight
06/24/19 11:03:07 AM
#93:


Intersting......no Titans.........*sigh*
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SockoressKnight
06/24/19 11:15:54 AM
#94:


May I get the stats for the AFC and NFC Pro-Bowl kickers?
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KCF0107
06/24/19 11:42:42 AM
#95:


Nate Kaeding hit 38-42 FGAs, 31-31 XPAs, and like 5-5 from 50+ or something

Graham Gano hit 32-37 FGAs, 42-42 XPAs, and like 3-3 from 50+
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SockoressKnight
06/24/19 11:44:09 AM
#96:


Thank you. Mr. Gould has some explaining to do
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ShatteredElysium
06/24/19 12:03:29 PM
#97:


Ok let's see. +6 or better from their drafted rating seems a fair cutoff and then maybe anyone who reached 89 can get a mention too.

I do not have drafted position or team drafted by for this draft. I only have their projected round which I'll stick next to them but that doesn't necessarily mean they were picked there.

Season 10 Draft

---+A fucking lot---
DE Lyle Kearns ??? > 90 (Undrafted. The DEs drafted in the 6th to 7th were 63-71)
---+12---
G Gabe Jackson 80 > 86 > 92 (1st)
P Jacob Schum 74 > 81 > 86 (5th)
---+11---
K Graham Gano 80 > 88 > 91 (2nd-3rd)
G Clint Boling 76 > 84 > 87 (3rd-4th)
C Weston Richburg 76 > 81 > 87 (4th)
---+10---
TE Eric Ebron 79 > 84 > 89 (3rd)
TE Tim Wright 76 > 83 > 86 (4th)
---+9---
WR AJ Green 84 > 91 > 93 (Top 15)
---+8---
DE Cameron Wake 83 > 87 > 91 (1st)
CB Stephon Gillmore 79 > 85 > 87 (1st)
OLB Avery Williamson 76 > 79 > 84 (4th-5th)
MLB Christian Jones 75 > 80 > 83 (3rd-4th)
CB Curtis Brown 73 > 79 > 81 (4th)
---+7---
MLB Chris Borland 79 > 82 > 86 (1st-2nd)
MLB Zach Orr 75 > 80 > 82 (3rd-4th)
FS Shelton Kelly 70 > 77 > 77 (7th)
---+6----
DE Everson Griffin 85 > 88 > 91 (Top 15)
MLB Lavonte David 81> 82 > 87 (1st)
G Brandon Brooks 76 > 78 > 82 (2nd-3rd)
C Corey Linsley 75 > 80 > 81 (4th-5th)
---+5---
C Maurkice Pouncey 85 > 87 > 90 (2nd)
DE Bjoern Werner 86 > 89 > 91 (Top 15)
G Trai Turner 84 > 87 > 89 (Top 15)
---+4---
QB Teddy Bridgwater 85 > 89 > 89 (Top 15)
P Johnny Hekker 85 > 89 > 89 (4th)
---+3---
WR Julio Jones 87 > 89 > 90 (Top 15)
HB Mark Ingram 86 > 86 > 89 (Top 15) - Rookie season injured I believe
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ShatteredElysium
06/24/19 12:09:25 PM
#98:


KCF, is Lyle Kearns definitely a S10 entry into the league or do you have to guess due to him being undrafted? I have full list of rookies from S10 and S11 and Lyle Kearns is not on either list.

Undrafted DEs in S11
Gary Thompson (Proj. 7th)
Jon Owens (Proj. 7th)

Undrafted DEs in S10
Kendall Hodges (Proj. 7th)
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ShatteredElysium
06/24/19 12:56:55 PM
#99:


And here's a few players who weren't on the above list who I think are mildly notable

Year 1 +4 or higher growth (but stunted year 2)
SS Deone Buchannon 80 > 84 > 84
OLB Ray Jeffries 74 > 79 > 79
SS Kenny Vaccaro 76 > 80 > 81
SS Terrell Woods 74 > 78 > 79
WR Kevin Owen 68 > 73 > 73
C Wesley Johnson 71 > 75 > Not resigned (Harsh!)

Year 2 +4 or higher growth (but stunted year 1)
QB Landy Jones 78 > 79 > 83
MLB Ray Ballard 74 > 74 > 79
WR Chris Hogan 75 > 76 > 80
DT Chris Watters 72 > 72 > 76

Drop 1st year, large jump 2nd year
DE Tyson Alualu 80 > 79 > 83 (1st rounder)
OT Wally Wheaton 75 > 74 > 80 (Technically he got a +6 just had a drop in there)
OLB Ty Wiffall 74 > 73 > 78
DE Byron Carter 74 > 71 > 76

Jump 1st year, drop 2nd year
HB Marcus Lattimore 75 > 79 > 78

All these people had double drops
CB David Gratz 76 > 75 > 74 (2nd)
CB David Amerson 77 > 75 > 72 (2nd-3rd)
DE Da'Quan Bowers 75 > 72 > 71 (3rd)
OLB Cato Williams 76 > 74 > 73 (3rd)
OLB Fred Harris 75 > 74 > 73 (4th)
SS Maurice Alexander 77 > 75 > 74 (4th-5th)
OLB Sean Myers 75 > 74 > 73 (5th)
SS Ryan Williams 75 > 73 > 71 (5th)
OLB Michael Hoover 75 > 72 > 71 (5th-6th)

Notable for other reasons (Trades involved / picked high)
QB Johnny Manziel 81 > 81 > 80
QB Case Keenum 80 > 80 > 79
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ShatteredElysium
06/24/19 7:23:35 PM
#100:


Because I'm in a statsy mood and found S8 (1st round only) and S9 (1st + 2nd) drafts

S8 1st rounders who are 90+

WR Antonio Brown 90
QB Russell Wilson 91
DT Ndamukong Suh 92
FS Reshad Jones 92
OT Trent Williams 95
MLB Aaron Curry 90
OT Anthony Costanzo 90 (G now)
MLB Danny Trevathan 92

S8 1st rounders who are sub 80

DE Jason Pierre Paul 77
WR Golden Tate 79
DT Domata Peko 76
CB Cortez Allen 74

S8 1st rounders who aren't on a roster (may be sub 80 too!)

WR Victor Cruz
QB Matthew Stafford
QB RG3

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S9 1st + 2nd rounders who are 90+

QB Ryan Tannehill 94
HB Doug Martin 90
HB Demarco Murray 90
OT Anthony Davis 90
OT Matt Kalil 98
---2nd rounders start here---
C Marshal Yanda 92
FB Kyle Juszczyk 90
OT Lane Johnson 96

S9 1st + 2nd rounders who are sub 80

CB Morris Claiborne 77
MLB Perry Riley 76
DE Ryan Kerrigan 77
---2nds start here---
DE Brooks Reid 77
CB Brandon Boykin 74
DE Jared Crick 77
CB Buster Skrine 79
G Larry Warford 79
CB Jamar Taylor 74
OT Gabe Carimi 79
OT Mike Adams 79
CB Marcus Grigsby 75
CB D.J. Hayden 75
CB Chris Stevenson 73
WR Emmanuel Sanders 79

S9 2nd rounders who aren't on a roster (every 1st still is for now)

QB Nick Foles
QB Brandon Weedon
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