Board 8 > Board 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 12: The Offseason

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I just need to update Titans and Redskins team financials, and the spreadsheet will be up-to-date. Expect RFA to start Wednesday, Thursday at the latest.
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Yay! Can't wait to find out who I'm giving all my picks to in RFA!
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Ok position comparisons sheet is updated. Link below.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZfeeVy5eST-llaQv3DIAL7xtoUhtKAxpNF4VxHewdGc/edit?usp=sharing

For people unfamiliar this sheet basically lists players in order of their OVR by position so you can get a rough idea of where a player stands compared to the rest of the league or for trade purposes. It does not list ages only rating (nor does it factor in production)

Also on the sheet is the 2014 (S10) and 2015 (S11) drafts and their OVR progressions. Plus the anticipated RFA's this season and their OVR. There may be some discrepancy as I don't check to see if a team offered their 2nd-4th rounders a non 3 yr rookie deal (nor do I check if they gave 5th rounders and beyond 3yr deals)

Also just for fun. Reviews of the positions (will likely take me a while to get around to them all so lets start on offense)

Quarterback

#1 - 99
#5 - 91
#16 - 87
#32 - 83

So an whilst there is a 99 QB there is a bit of a drop off as by the time we are to the 5th highest rated QB we are at 91. 87 is about 'average' for a starting QB and 83 is the bottom end for a starting QB. It seems that we get a couple of rookie starting QBs most seasons but like real life, only a few truly develop to a high level.

Quarterback seems to be a position where we have ~5 elite guys and then beyond that we have a mish mash of guys who are pretty average but might have an odd high end year before regressing to the norm.

Running Back

#1 - 93
#4 - 91
#26 - 88
#33 - 86
#47 - 84
#65 - 81

With the highest rated HB being 93, there is then a large cluster of HBs in that 88-91 range. So realistically a starter level caliber HB is probably an 88. With the high number of injuries that occur at HB, I've included that HB2 cluster where again realistically you probably want an 84+ HB2 in case of injury (or grab one in FA) unless you have a young HB on the roster who is likely to increase in rating from starting.

I actually think this is why Tatum Bell's numbers will be a nice benchmark. The high level of HB OVR's and their availability on the waiver wire means that rookie starting HBs will be rarer than most positions as they are usually prompted by injury. We do still get rookie starters but usually it involves a retirement or an aging expiring HB and a HB falling in the 1st.

Wide Receiver

#1 - 93
#24 - 88
#33 - 85
#65 - 82
#97 - 79

Wide Receiver was a position where I think there was some genuine concern there could be a large drop off once the high end WRs started retiring but I think in recent years that may have changed a little. It's still hard to develop an 88+ WR but we have actually seen it happen whereas ~3-4 seasons ago it seemed most of the WR1's were old and there was a sharp drop off to the younger players.

It seems that you probably want your WR1 to be at least an 88 with WR2's falling in that 82-85 range. WR3's then technically come in that 79-82 range but realistically there's a decent few below that as I know there's a number of teams with multiple sort of 80-83 WRs filling out their slots.

Personal opinion but it seems drafting WRs can be a bit of a crap shoot. A top 10 or so WR might start in the low-mid 80s and develop (or they might not). It seems after that you might get 80-82 WR in the 1st and then from the 2nd to 5th or 6th fall into a 75-80 range. And if they are getting playtime then that 4th or 5th rounder seems to stand as much a chance as the 2nd rounder of developing well.

I guess the same could be said for any position but I think my point is that unless you're getting a very high end WR then the difference between a 2nd round WR and a 5th-6th round WR doesn't seem to be a whole lot.

Full Back

#1 - 99
#17 - 99
#32 - 90

FB is a high OVR rated position for the league whilst also being probably the worst position for OVRs upon draft (2nd round FBs come in at like 72). It seems they develop quickly and is a position that people just set and forget. Although I do remember KCF saying FB is one of the positions the league as a whole really undervalues and a good FB can make a big difference over a bad one.

Great work as usual, Shattered. We need to put that with the other links when we make a new topic. It's always annoying to track down after a couple pages lol
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Bookmarks! Or if you go to Google sheets home it shows you all the sheets you have ever opened listed by most recent

Restricted Free Agency

This minor but oddly detailed offseason event is for a small subset of players who just completed their untampered rookie contract that was exactly three years in length. These players are not eligible to be originally offered multi-year contracts by the team that holds their rights but instead one-year contracts of fixed figures based on the tender level that you offer them.

Our Tender Levels for this season
No Tender = no potential draft pick compensation = $0
Low Tender = potential original round draft pick compensation = $940k
Mid Tender = potential 1st round draft pick compensation = $2.05 mil
High Tender = potential 1st + 3rd round draft pick compensation = $2.72 mil

Now, the mentioning of draft pick compensation there is only applicable if another team attempts to sign your player. It has no bearing on this first phase of RFA. It wouldn't make much sense if you had to give up draft picks to sign your own player now would it? Newcomers and people who don't have a good memory are certainly free to ask me what round a player was drafted in if that affects their tender level.

That being said, you might want to keep in mind about that draft pick compensation when you determine what tender to offer your player. If you think highly of your player, you might want to offer the highest tender to deter other teams from attempting to sign them. If you don't consider a player to be a part of your future plans, you might want to offer the low tender so that they barely count against your cap space and you could end up even getting draft pick compensation if someone else wants him.

A word of advice from me: The full monetary amount attached to the tenders is NOT GUARANTEED and is usually less than what they would make on the open market, so there is essentially 0 risk to offering all of your players a tender unless you personally hate them with a passion.

You can also engage trade talks with other teams so that you can prearrange a trade that if X player is not signed by another team, you will trade them to Y team for Z compensation that might be lower than what Y team would have had to give up to sign them during RFA. In this scenario, you might want to offer the highest tender level to deter the maximum amount of teams from disrupting the trade.
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RFA Rules

1. I will privately contact every user and inform them of their RFAs and the tender levels. If you dont have any RFAs, then you wont be notified.

2. Users will have three days to inform me which players they wish to sign and at what level.

3. I will publicly reveal all RFAs from user and A.I. teams that can be signed by other teams (AKA were offered a tender) plus their tender levels and the base kind of deal they are looking for.

4. I will give users four days to decide any action, if any, they wish to take. If they do wish to take further action, they will PM me.

Now by "any action you wish to take," I mean that everyone has an opportunity to attempt to sign RFAs from other teams. You might see some sticker shock but keep in mind that some positions are more expensive (WRs, DTs, QBs) than others (OLBs, Cs, TEs) relative to their overall rating. An 80 WR will usually be more expensive than a 90 C, and that's just how things are

5. If a team attempts to sign another teams RFA, then the user who owns the RFAs rights will have three days to decide whether or not to match the offer.

The deadline for the first phase (encompassing rule #s 1 + 2) will be Saturday, June 29th at 1 PM ET. As always, do not hesitate to ask me any questions.
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I have a guy on my team named Travis Touchdown? Is this real?
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He was a fake player in one of my imported draft classes. I forget what his actual last name was, but Stan requested that his last name be changed to that, so I allowed it.
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All RFA PMs have been sent. I am pretty sure all user teams had at least one, but if you didn't, that means you don't have an RFA. I guess you can sit back and continue to relax for a few more days.
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Okay, I currently have 9 draft picks, and I am expecting that number to balloon at the end of RFA. I can't exceed 10 and still engage in pick trades, so I suppose that I will have to do it within the next week or so.

I wouldn't say any of my draft picks are off limits, but I am looking mostly to trade the 26th and 32nd picks as well as OLB DeAndre Levy (82 overall, 26 years old). I am done (for now) trading 1sts for future 1sts, so I am looking for 2nd-5th round picks and possibly the right fit of a bench player or to move up to around the Top 10.

This going to come off as bragging (please do not interpret that way), but I really don't need 1st round picks. I always envision 1st round picks as being instant starters or players who will begin on the bench and start the following season. So many times I have had more 1st rounders than starter positions open, and I always feel bad about it. I took WR Kenny O'Neal, and he languished on my bench until he finally became a starter on another team at the age of 29. The aforementioned OLB DeAndre Levy has sat on my bench since I drafted him, and since I might have two more years out of my current starters, I feel like I am wasting his career. CB Kareem Jackson was taken in the Top 20 and literally hasn't recorded a statistic in his career as he has been the #4 behind a healthy CB corps.

If any team is in need of a talent infusion, wants multiple 1st round picks, lacks a 1st round pick period, or whatever, I am open for business.
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His original last name was Doucette so I considered it a vast improvement!
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I'm like I want 1sts and then I'm like wait I traded away all my picks and that was the 1st I traded away anyway

I need to trade players for picks this season I think. Need to look at rosters again when I get chance

Also just to follow up on last seasons conversation on wage demands. I don't know if RFA cap hits are linked to contract demands but it seems that RFA demands go up about 5% per year with a little bit of fluctuation. Most of the years 5% is dead on and then some years it's way off and not in a way that rounding would account for so god knows what causes it.

Low - 0.69 > 0.72 > 0.76 > 0.79 > 0.82 > 0.87 > 0.94
Mid - 1.51 > 1.57 > 1.65 > 1.72 > 1.79 > 1.89 > 2.05
High - 2.01 > 2.09 > 2.2 > 2.28 > 2.38 > 2.52 > 2.72

I'd imagine that is how the AI cap increases too. If it does the AI cap should be around 172-173m right now or maybe 180-181m if I didn't mash my calculator enough times. (I have no idea what it actually is). I'd guess at some point it caps out too.

That being said, I think the 162m KCF settled on is very fair. So my 2 cents would be to stick at that again next season and re-evaluate the year after or always have our cap be X% of the AI's cap.

Whether it is on a temporary or permanent basis, I will be in charge of the Colts
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Trade Time!

Chiefs receive:
Steelers 1st round pick (26th overall)
Dolphins 1st round pick (32nd overall)

Dolphins receive:
Chiefs 1st round pick (7th overall)
Chiefs 5th round pick (135th overall)

This is similar to trades that I have made in the past, but since Ranlom is dropping almost 20 spots, I receive a 5th as the second pick instead of a 3rd.

While I don't know Ranlom's exact reasoning for this trade, what I see is an opportunity for a presently cap-strapped team looking to take another step forward by adding better young talent through the draft.

Trade needs Ranlom's confirmation and is under 24 hour peer review.
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I'm getting the trade jitters, this is probably the longest I've gone without trading in recent seasons

Trade Time Again!

Bears receive:
OLB DeAndre Levy
49ers 1st round pick (10th overall)

Dolphins receive:
Bears 1st round pick (8th overall)
Bears 3rd round pick (72nd overall)

Bears receive a new starting OLB at the cost of their third and a trade down of two spots in the first. The Dolphins get something out of what may be the highest-rated backup OLB in the league who may have been stuck behind Smith and Williams for two more seasons.

Stan needs to confirm the trade, and it is under 24 hour peer review.
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So....the team that just won the Super Bowl has picks 7 and 8?

Wow...
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Putting these players on a public trade block
HB Lonta Hobbs 88
HB Arian Foster 86
WR Jayson Swain 82
TE Garrett Mills 78

Wanting: RT, DT, MLB, CB, FS
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I won't veto the first because it's not that lopsided, but I do think the 7th is worth better picks than that.

For the second trade, I think the dolphins could probably do better, levy is def worth more than a 3rd, but it's closer than the first trade imo.
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SockoressKnight posted...

So....the team that just won the Super Bowl has picks 7 and 8?

Wow...

This happens every season
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SockoressKnight posted...

So....the team that just won the Super Bowl has picks 7 and 8?

Wow...

It's pretty normal for KCF to have high picks as he trades away high level talent basically every year. Works out for everyone. KCF keeps his cap under control and prevents talent getting blocked/unhappy on the depth chart. The trading team gets starting caliber talent.

I'm sure KCF would love to keep all his elite players but the salary cap plus RFA means he's somewhat of a farm team. He gets multiple high picks, he develops them, he then has to shift previous high picks to keep players happy/cap under control and then only trades that make sense are for more draft picks. Rinse and repeat.

Emeraldegg posted...

I won't veto the first because it's not that lopsided, but I do think the 7th is worth better picks than that.

For the second trade, I think the dolphins could probably do better, levy is def worth more than a 3rd, but it's closer than the first trade imo.

Kinda but have to remember that the 7th pick is only valuable if you can develop him and Ranlom doesn't really have the team for that. He needs players rather than picks so what would make the most sense is him getting multiple picks and then parlaying them into players in a different trade imo. Usually it would have been better for him to take players straight from KCF but KCF is trying to offload picks not acquire more.

I think he gets a better package for multiple picks. Or maybe he can shift 1 pick and use the other.

KCF0107 posted...

Chiefs receive:
Steelers 1st round pick (26th overall)
Dolphins 1st round pick (32nd overall)

Dolphins receive:
Chiefs 1st round pick (7th overall)
Chiefs 5th round pick (135th overall)

The Chiefs confirm this transaction
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ShatteredElysium posted...


This pretty much sums it up. I'm hoping to turn these picks into G Johnathan Fletcher and one of a few RFAs I've got my eye on.
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Falcons cut DT Dan Klecko and like a monster, C Donovan Raiola, separating the Raiola brothers.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

SockoressKnight posted...

So....the team that just won the Super Bowl has picks 7 and 8?

Wow...

It's pretty normal for KCF to have high picks as he trades away high level talent basically every year. Works out for everyone. KCF keeps his cap under control and prevents talent getting blocked/unhappy on the depth chart. The trading team gets starting caliber talent.

I'm sure KCF would love to keep all his elite players but the salary cap plus RFA means he's somewhat of a farm team. He gets multiple high picks, he develops them, he then has to shift previous high picks to keep players happy/cap under control and then only trades that make sense are for more draft picks. Rinse and repeat.

But...you see...that's.....

IT'S FINE! EVERYTHING.....IS.....FINE!!!!
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It's not a big deal anyway, kcf has said that he'll consider moving to a new team if the dolphins continue being dominant for much longer.
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Yeah, you left before I was forced to completely change how I run my team. What's going on now has been going on for like five seasons, though I have been trying to shift things a little so I don't keep losing all of my young players so early in their careers.
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I don't know, while the Dolphins have been a successful franchise most seasons, I don't think that I can call them dominant. Dominance seems like it should be reserved for what the Cowboys did for the previous five seasons.
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Looking at the poll, poor Raiders. They were one quarter away from making the Super Bowl, and they get no respect.

I see three teams that I would vote for before them.
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KCF0107 posted...

I don't know, while the Dolphins have been a successful franchise most seasons, I don't think that I can call them dominant. Dominance seems like it should be reserved for what the Cowboys did for the previous five seasons.

I appreciate the humility, but let's call it like it is
Since the seasons I've been here, according to the wiki:
Dolphins: 69-27
Cowboys: 68-28

Dolphins: 3 SB appearances, 2 wins
Cowboys: 5 SB appearances, 2 wins

The dolphins and the cowboys have both been dominant. 2 more SB appearances don't mean much imo, especially with how fluky playoffs are in general. Regular season matters more to me.
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In 11 seasons, the Dolphins have been the AFC's top seed twice, which might be the same or less than the Chiefs, Broncos, Jags, and Ravens.

The Cowboys have been the NFC's top seed, what, four of the past five seasons and they won the SB the time they didn't?
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Is it possible to trade players slated for free agency?
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You cannot trade players with expired contracts.
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You can sign and trade them though but obviously that has to come later in the offseason timeline

SockoressKnight posted...

Is it possible to trade players slated for free agency?

No, but you can agree to a trade in principle, sign the player(s) to a 1 year deal and then trade them.

EDIT: Also, information for players in the draft isn't available yet, right?

That'll be after RFA and signing your free agents
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If someone could ping the B8NFLL channel that there is just over 24 hours left in the first phase, that would be great. I'm used to 80-90% of the league being finished within the first day, so seeing nine users with no RFA activity makes me a little worried.
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Yeah, I don't get the draft prospects until it is time to draft. Not the ideal situation, but it's what we have to work with.
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Incoming Trade!

Steelers Receive:
Steelers 1st round pick (26th ovr)
Chiefs 4th round pick (103rd ovr)

Chiefs Receive:
G Jonathan Fletcher (90 ovr - 24 y/o)
Dolphins 6th round pick

This obviously hinges on my pending trade with the Dolphins
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Ranlom posted...

Incoming Trade!

Steelers Receive:
Steelers 1st round pick (26th ovr)
Chiefs 4th round pick (103rd ovr)

Chiefs Receive:
G Jonathan Fletcher (90 ovr - 24 y/o)
Dolphins 6th round pick

This obviously hinges on my pending trade with the Dolphins

I confirm but I think this needs to wait until the first trade processes to enter peer review. I did something like this a few seaaons ago and was told by KCF it should have waited and if he realized sooner he wouldn't have allowed it as things were getting traded that weren't owned by the parties involved

KCF0107 posted...

If someone could ping the B8NFLL channel that there is just over 24 hours left in the first phase, that would be great. I'm used to 80-90% of the league being finished within the first day, so seeing nine users with no RFA activity makes me a little worried.

I'll get mine done before deadline for sure. Waiting to see on other stuff before deciding how aggressive I want to be with tenders

KCF0107 posted...

If someone could ping the B8NFLL channel that there is just over 24 hours left in the first phase, that would be great. I'm used to 80-90% of the league being finished within the first day, so seeing nine users with no RFA activity makes me a little worried.

Done
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Will look mine over soon
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TRADE ALERT:

Jaguars Receive
Giants First Rd Pick (#6)

Giants Receive
RG Clint Boling
Jaguars First Rd Pick (#18)
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confirm Eddv's trade offer
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Is this the first trade between any of the Edwards brothers!?
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I think it is!
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