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DoomTheGyarados
06/21/19 11:46:59 PM
#1:


Player lists are for hosts.
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Lopen
06/21/19 11:48:42 PM
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Playerlist (19 alive)
1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
3. Lea3Lea
4. Red13n
5. Benjamin
6. SBell (Obellisk)
7. Camarija
8. MZero
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados)
10. 5tarscream
11. Hbthebattle
12. Death (HtaeD)
13. Tom Bombadil
14. TheSultanOfSlam
15. Lopen
16. turbopuns3
17. Corrik
18. Lolo_Guru
19. Dowolf

Deadlist (2 dead)
LD1 - Luis_Sera aka The One Ring (Lord of the Rings), MAFIA Redirector.
KN1 - Scarechan (replaced eaedwards) aka J.D. Salinger (as portrayed on BoJack Horseman), TOWN Villager

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

The hell if you're getting votes from me those are for hosts.
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:48:52 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
Puns, King James VI and I, Miller
Cam, Opera Singer (don't recall flavor)
Hb, Harry Potter, Villager
Lea, DoomTheGyarados, Villager
Dowolf, Piggy, Kingmaker

From memory I think that's it?
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pezloco
06/21/19 11:49:08 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Okay so im here WARNING NOW I WILL PROBABLY NOT BE ACTIVE TOMORROW ITS MY BATCHELOR PARTY DAY!

So i find it odd that scum would chose to kill scare over chris after chris choosing correctly so that seems odd. I guess maube they thought he would have been protected or something? Eirher way chris looks good now though he did give me some weird vibes yesterday so id say

Chris 75% town? But you know thats just cuz i find it kind of odd he is still here.

Um thoughts i was cool with the luis vote good kill chris.

Corrik. Buttered up chris all day but didnt actually "follow orders" but maybe him buttering up chris was his play to look town knowing he knew that chris was town?

Lea looks good for pointing out flaws on luis page 2 yes cam i did actually see her post dont say i didnt hence the town points for lea but thats not here nor their

Cam is looking pretty good as well i like his game break down posts.


So I wanted to say more about this guy. What here looks like original content? My read of him as scum isn't that he called Tom scum when Chris and I said Tom was town.

My read was he was posting cheap content. Content that is regurgitation of other people or what he posted about Tom calling him fluffy after Tom got flack for that and flipped town, while ignoring what other people had just recently said.

This post above doesn't make me feel any better, and indeed nothing I read of him D1 did either. Chris ruled him town because if the list stuff, though I'm not sure he was serious. I didn't see it when I reread that part this afternoon.
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:49:39 PM
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The hell if you're getting 100% guarantee no claims were missed. That degree of attention to claims is for scum
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DoomTheGyarados
06/21/19 11:49:47 PM
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pezloco posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Okay so im here WARNING NOW I WILL PROBABLY NOT BE ACTIVE TOMORROW ITS MY BATCHELOR PARTY DAY!

So i find it odd that scum would chose to kill scare over chris after chris choosing correctly so that seems odd. I guess maube they thought he would have been protected or something? Eirher way chris looks good now though he did give me some weird vibes yesterday so id say

Chris 75% town? But you know thats just cuz i find it kind of odd he is still here.

Um thoughts i was cool with the luis vote good kill chris.

Corrik. Buttered up chris all day but didnt actually "follow orders" but maybe him buttering up chris was his play to look town knowing he knew that chris was town?

Lea looks good for pointing out flaws on luis page 2 yes cam i did actually see her post dont say i didnt hence the town points for lea but thats not here nor their

Cam is looking pretty good as well i like his game break down posts.


So I wanted to say more about this guy. What here looks like original content? My read of him as scum isn't that he called Tom scum when Chris and I said Tom was town.

My read was he was posting cheap content. Content that is regurgitation of other people or what he posted about Tom calling him fluffy after Tom got flack for that and flipped town, while ignoring what other people had just recently said.

This post above doesn't make me feel any better, and indeed nothing I read of him D1 did either. Chris ruled him town because if the list stuff, though I'm not sure he was serious. I didn't see it when I reread that part this afternoon.


Luis went hard on this guy day 1. Town.
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pezloco
06/21/19 11:49:51 PM
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Oh also congrats Sultan
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:51:04 PM
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I basically am without comment on the Chris and Red show.

Pretty much I just think we should be lynching SBell.
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DoomTheGyarados
06/21/19 11:51:54 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
I basically am without comment on the Chris and Red show.

Pretty much I just think we should be lynching SBell.


You don't have comment for the fact that Chris, who has known Red for more than our entire adult lives, same timed him and said "if he says this he is scum" and then he said it?

Really, Puns?
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DoomTheGyarados
06/21/19 11:52:16 PM
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Like "The Red and Chris Show" REALLY?
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Tom Bombadil
06/21/19 11:52:23 PM
#11:


Staying awake is for hosts
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Lopen
06/21/19 11:52:29 PM
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I want to see more from red.
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:53:24 PM
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Yes really chris I mean that is what happened

I don't have anything to add

Ok I'll ask this Chris. Do you feel more confident in town clearing red or scum hunting red. In general, not this game specifically
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benjamin3740
06/21/19 11:55:00 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
The hell if you're getting 100% guarantee no claims were missed. That degree of attention to claims is for scum

Another one of those things that further solidified you as town for me is that you forgot me lol.

BUT I GUESS YOU'RE AWARE OF IT SO NEVER MIND
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:55:49 PM
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ben I don't think I ever knew you claimed lol

What did you claim
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DoomTheGyarados
06/21/19 11:55:54 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
Yes really chris I mean that is what happened

I don't have anything to add

Ok I'll ask this Chris. Do you feel more confident in town clearing red or scum hunting red. In general, not this game specifically


Hmmm...

Well I can recall catching red several times and finding him to be town several times...

In general town hunting is my strong suit though.
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Camarija
06/21/19 11:56:56 PM
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Luis_Sera posts about Tom or responding to Tom:::::

Topic 2 - Post 138Luis Sera puts suspicion on Benjamin and defends TomWell yeah, that's what I'm getting at in essence. You can have a fixation on SK's. Sure, whatever. But the justification was unnatural.

Other than that, I didn't like Ben immediately jumping on Tom for his 21 questions post. Like, I expect Tom to open with fluffy stuff like that, and it's very easy to safely criticise. Ben seemed a little too eager to jump down his throat over it though.

Tom_Bombadil and Luis_Sera::::

Topic 1 - Post 175Tom Bombadil posted19. Luis_Sera: why is mafia better than mercs

Topic 2 - Post 165Tom Bombadil postedNo read/undecided: Miz, Hb, Death, Puns, Luis, 5tar, Lea

Topic 4- Post 445Tom Bombadil postedNoted! Red how do you plead please be town otherwise I'll have to resort to sheeping Luis

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Keep in mind that as of Topic 4 - Post 445

The only thing that Luis really did was throw shade on Lea3Lea on Post 440

Lea3Lea was pushing Luis around this stage

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@Tom_Bombadil

I think it's pretty cut and dry mate

Luis soft defends you early on

You say you'll sheep Luis when Luis' posts (I have them all) sucked; even though you had Luis as undecided earlier

I will post ALL of the posts that Luis made between where YOU had them as No Read/Undecided and "I'm going to default to sheeping Luis"
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Lopen
06/21/19 11:57:08 PM
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I can't resist. I must see this glory.

UNOFFICIAL Votals (as of post 16)
(5) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(1) Chris: Corrik
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)


I want to see more from red.
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benjamin3740
06/21/19 11:57:08 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
ben I don't think I ever knew you claimed lol

What did you claim

Sam I am, Villager. From the dr. Suess book green eggs and ham, yes.

My flavor was awesome at it all rhymed, even the win condition. So don't ask me to tell you the town win condition Lel
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Camarija
06/21/19 11:57:11 PM
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Topic 2 - Post 138Luis Sera puts suspicion on Benjamin and defends TomWell yeah, that's what I'm getting at in essence. You can have a fixation on SK's. Sure, whatever. But the justification was unnatural.

Other than that, I didn't like Ben immediately jumping on Tom for his 21 questions post. Like, I expect Tom to open with fluffy stuff like that, and it's very easy to safely criticise. Ben seemed a little too eager to jump down his throat over it though.Topic 3 - Post 169Luis Sera puts suspicion on TheSultanofSlam for voting CorrikIs this the extent of your reasoning? I ask because you're still voting for him despite your interest in him apparently waning later on the exact same page.Topic 4 - Post 82Luis Sera puts suspicion on CamarijaQuoting this post as the most egregious recent example, but this has been going on for a while now - what are you trying to get out of this? On the surface it's like you're shouting 'bomb' in an airport and I don't get if you're trying to be too coy for your own good.Topic 4 - Post 111Luis Sera questions CamarijaHey, Camarija. Don't ignore me, please. I asked you a question in post #82 of this topic. How has your play been conducive for scumhunting?Topic 4 - Post 131Luis sera questions CamarijaOk, you may have answered this elsewhere that I overlooked, so if so please answer again for my benefit - what was your rationale for bringing up this 'lost wolf'? This came up before seriously attracting Corrik's attention so it shouldn't be coloured by him at all.Topic 4 - Post 303Luis Sera ignores my questionActually I was the Joker. I helped get the Batman (red13n) lynched.Topic 4 - Post 310Luis Sera soft defends Lopen, and soft attacks SBellI thought SBell's reasoning for his vote on Lopen was terrible, but other than that nothing's struck me as out of character for him.Topic 4 - Post 313Luis Sera finally answers Camarija after blatantly ignoring himI have no idea who/what you're referring to. No I'm not.Topic 4 - Post 357Luis Sera talks to HbthebattleLuis_Sera89 posted...
I rarely look at the quantity of someone's votes when building an impression of them. Players who tend to throw their vote around a lot, or like to join in on dogpiling someone are often the same from game to game. It's a personality thing rather than alignment.

Hbthebattle posted...
To me, it also suggests that a player has little confidence in their own reads, which is a strong sign of scum because scum don't have reads at all: their "reads" are flimsy and misleading because they aren't based on analysis of the game but instead knowledge. Hopping on every post that says someone is scummy with a vote suggests that the hopper is fishing for which player would be the least resistant to being mislynched.


This is naive. I've known plenty of good scum players be able to dissociate themselves from their role when reading through and pick at flaws where they see them. If a player has little confidence in their reads it's usually because that's actually the case.
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:57:36 PM
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Well it did seem a little odd to me that you were like "Red knows that when I am town, I do X, but he wouldn't mention that here if he's town, because he knows that will make me think he's scum"

Like what was town red supposed to say if he does know how you play and he saw you play that way
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Camarija
06/21/19 11:57:57 PM
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Topic 4 - Post 440Luis Sera throws shade on LeaLea, to add to this, a question:

Earlier, you voted for me for, as far as I can tell, similar reasoning that you didn't like the players in that 4-man shortlist you posted - inactivity, didn't like the content posted, wasn't scumhunting effectively etc.

You then dropped it fairly quickly to move onto someone else, which is fair enough, but later you said it was because, and I'm paraphrasing, it wasn't possible to get traction on good, highly confident players and it didn't seem worth the trouble.

Why should it matter? Now I'm obviously not asking you to vote for me, but this kind of selective exclusion runs contrary to your claim that you're throwing suspicion out there semi-randomly to see what sticks. In fact it's closer to flat-track bullying to see if you can begin a train on 'weaker' players. Which is actual scummy behaviour rather than just poor or lazy town play.
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turbopuns3
06/21/19 11:58:07 PM
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benjamin3740 posted...
Sam I am, Villager. From the dr. Suess book green eggs and ham, yes.

My flavor was awesome at it all rhymed, even the win condition. So don't ask me to tell you the town win condition Lel


Oh I did read that now that you mention it
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Camarija
06/21/19 11:58:38 PM
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Yeah, enough slow dancing

##VOTE: Tom Bombadil
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DoomTheGyarados
06/21/19 11:59:19 PM
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*Yawns*

I hard defended Tom a lot yesterday.

But I like Cam so yes, let's see what Tom will do now.
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Lopen
06/21/19 11:59:40 PM
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turbopuns3 posted...
Like what was town red supposed to say if he does know how you play and he saw you play that way


I think his point was that town red wouldn't find a reason to post something that serves no purpose other than to put over "look how well I know Chris!" Like that doesn't clear Chris at all. It also was just a repeat of what Chris already said. Basically it was a loaded "town clear" (which was pointless because very few people are suspecting him to begin with)
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Camarija
06/22/19 12:00:23 AM
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I just realized I forgot to reformat those quotes

ugh

whatever, the cliff notes are the same

Luis soft defends you in the early game

You say you'll sheep Luis when Luis' posts (I have them all) sucked; even though you had Luis as undecided earlier

ALL of the posts that Luis made between where YOU had them as No Read/Undecided and "I'm going to default to sheeping Luis" - are pretty bad tbh
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pezloco
06/22/19 12:00:43 AM
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Tom Bombadil posted...
Staying awake is for hosts


I'm literally in bed on my phone playing mafia because my wife told me to go to sleep.

@DoomTheGyarados, explain your magic trick on Red for me?

I see that you guys same times, but I see Red predicting what post tipped you off that Luis was scum and you predicting that Red would know what post tipped you off and that Red would have insight into your thought process. But I don't understand why any of that is a scum tell on Red. It's a huge town clear on you if we needed it because you both base the post on your town play. Again not that we need it but it's saying Red predicted that post based on your town play and you confirmed it was that post and that Red would know why. Just not seeing your smoking gun.
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 12:01:04 AM
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Lopen posted...
turbopuns3 posted...
Like what was town red supposed to say if he does know how you play and he saw you play that way


I think his point was that town red wouldn't find a reason to post something that serves no purpose other than to put over "look how well I know Chris!" Like that doesn't clear Chris at all. It also was just a repeat of what Chris already said. Basically it was a loaded "town clear" (which was pointless because very few people are suspecting him to begin with)


Yes.

My reason for lynching Luis posted yesterday as I did it:

DoomTheGyarados posted...
So Luis hesitated to give me opinions and said he wouldn't want anyone meddling if it was him. I just think that's a dodgy move and I found myself defending him for soft reasons today so let's murder the slot and see what happens.

##vote: Luis

Welcome back, Luis.


Like. My entire reason was based on what Red said. And before then I had done nothing but soft defend him so obviously I wasn't suspecting him.
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Tom Bombadil
06/22/19 12:01:44 AM
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Camarija posted...
You say you'll sheep Luis when Luis' posts (I have them all) sucked; even though you had Luis as undecided earlier


At that point in the game I had Chris and pez as probable scum and Luis and red are my next most respected players. I was not proposing going early d1corrik on him nor was I super serious but I do like having a strong player I can trust
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 12:02:12 AM
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pezloco posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
Staying awake is for hosts


I'm literally in bed on my phone playing mafia because my wife told me to go to sleep.

@DoomTheGyarados, explain your magic trick on Red for me?

I see that you guys same times, but I see Red predicting what post tipped you off that Luis was scum and you predicting that Red would know what post tipped you off and that Red would have insight into your thought process. But I don't understand why any of that is a scum tell on Red. It's a huge town clear on you if we needed it because you both base the post on your town play. Again not that we need it but it's saying Red predicted that post based on your town play and you confirmed it was that post and that Red would know why. Just not seeing your smoking gun.


DoomTheGyarados posted...
When Luis said that he was satisfied with the day my eyes literally narrowed in real life which is why I had the follow up I did of "that's ok, please do give me reads still" and then his reads to me - Chris who he has known for over a decade in a variety of really intense projects - had all of the conviction of a noodle. I've seen Luis try to sway Chris in a topic before (Mercs) there he was very listless.

Like him being satisfied when the day was up in the air, the contentment told me that my list of people voting me was OK to him and he just... didn't care? But I had already decided I was going to kill Lea for that claim but Luis just kept coming back around again and again inside my head. It was like "Ergh he hasn't been super bad but that two post combo has so many things wrong with it." Finally about a minute before I posted I resolved myself that it was going to be Luis because I remember that I tend to soft defend scum a bit day one. Like I'll let things go that I shouldn't and so that was enough things on the scale to murder Luis. Also Luis is sneaky and if he was scum I knew it'd be a very good coup for town.

So yeah pretty last minute and a lot of data crunching of various metas.

As an aside if you say something that lines up with this I am probably going to vote for you, because you have told me in the past that town Chris thinks this way (in defense of my town game as scum) and that I am scared of making big decisions and I worry over them and am not as confident as I sound. Very true statements mind you, and present in this case, but for you to try to use them as a way to go "See, I can read Chris and I am defending him look at my use he is town here guys" comes off as scum manipulation and why I asked for this in this fashion. Basically town red knows he already said this in my presence and wouldn't use it in this fashion to "confirm me." Also you've been telling people to ask me a lot in this game to verify you, which also comes off manipulative but I guess we'll see.

(He is at work though this is true)


Pez please read my posts.
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5tarscream
06/22/19 12:03:27 AM
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I want to see more from red. Like a claim.
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Camarija
06/22/19 12:04:39 AM
#33:


Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
You say you'll sheep Luis when Luis' posts (I have them all) sucked; even though you had Luis as undecided earlier


At that point in the game I had Chris and pez as probable scum and Luis and red are my next most respected players. I was not proposing going early d1corrik on him nor was I super serious but I do like having a strong player I can trust


But you had Luis as No Read / Undecided

What made you go from that to "ok I'll sheep Luis" in particular

It really felt like you were doing this to the detriment of Lea3Lea in particular
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 12:04:54 AM
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So in short the point is that red wouldn't have asked for a same time and then posted something so uninformative if he was town?
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pezloco
06/22/19 12:05:53 AM
#35:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
pezloco posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
Staying awake is for hosts


I'm literally in bed on my phone playing mafia because my wife told me to go to sleep.

@DoomTheGyarados, explain your magic trick on Red for me?

I see that you guys same times, but I see Red predicting what post tipped you off that Luis was scum and you predicting that Red would know what post tipped you off and that Red would have insight into your thought process. But I don't understand why any of that is a scum tell on Red. It's a huge town clear on you if we needed it because you both base the post on your town play. Again not that we need it but it's saying Red predicted that post based on your town play and you confirmed it was that post and that Red would know why. Just not seeing your smoking gun.


DoomTheGyarados posted...
When Luis said that he was satisfied with the day my eyes literally narrowed in real life which is why I had the follow up I did of "that's ok, please do give me reads still" and then his reads to me - Chris who he has known for over a decade in a variety of really intense projects - had all of the conviction of a noodle. I've seen Luis try to sway Chris in a topic before (Mercs) there he was very listless.

Like him being satisfied when the day was up in the air, the contentment told me that my list of people voting me was OK to him and he just... didn't care? But I had already decided I was going to kill Lea for that claim but Luis just kept coming back around again and again inside my head. It was like "Ergh he hasn't been super bad but that two post combo has so many things wrong with it." Finally about a minute before I posted I resolved myself that it was going to be Luis because I remember that I tend to soft defend scum a bit day one. Like I'll let things go that I shouldn't and so that was enough things on the scale to murder Luis. Also Luis is sneaky and if he was scum I knew it'd be a very good coup for town.

So yeah pretty last minute and a lot of data crunching of various metas.

As an aside if you say something that lines up with this I am probably going to vote for you, because you have told me in the past that town Chris thinks this way (in defense of my town game as scum) and that I am scared of making big decisions and I worry over them and am not as confident as I sound. Very true statements mind you, and present in this case, but for you to try to use them as a way to go "See, I can read Chris and I am defending him look at my use he is town here guys" comes off as scum manipulation and why I asked for this in this fashion. Basically town red knows he already said this in my presence and wouldn't use it in this fashion to "confirm me." Also you've been telling people to ask me a lot in this game to verify you, which also comes off manipulative but I guess we'll see.

(He is at work though this is true)


Pez please read my posts.


I read it. I don't understand why that is a smoking gun. That paragraph doesn't make much sense to me. I was asking for rephrase but I didn't ask well.
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 12:06:27 AM
#36:


turbopuns3 posted...
So in short the point is that red wouldn't have asked for a same time and then posted something so uninformative if he was town?


Not only that, but at first Red wanted ME to prove to HIM I was town. He even positioned it as "Guys... I can solve this. Chris, tell me what you did and I will confirm if it is right."

Like I should be grateful to him or something.

Lopen nailed it (also a little paranoid Scum Lopen is living inside my head BUT AS LONG AS SCUM BLOOD FLOWS I WON'T THINK ON IT MUCH) when he said Red isn't scum hunting, he's trying to appear useful.
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Lopen
06/22/19 12:06:28 AM
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I think it's a pretty good argument honestly. It's what red trying to be the arbiter of "now I shall show you how Chris is town or scum!!!" had me immediately thinking like if he was going to say he's town. It's just like... oh, you're trying to get points for doing nothing since no one with credibility thinks he's scum anyway. Thanks for that, Red.

If he had actually shocked us with something chris didn't already say that would've been something.

Chris's magic trick was amazing but nothing I would've needed to think it was scummy to begin with. If you think of it in terms of red's motivations there's more there than just magic. I mean if you boil it down, red basically says "if Chris was telling the truth he's town." No shit. Great deductions, bro.
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Tom Bombadil
06/22/19 12:07:13 AM
#38:


pezloco posted...
my wife


Lost the game

DoomTheGyarados posted...
let's see what Tom will do now


Eh not much it's a fair point although he's not quite understanding me
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 12:07:16 AM
#39:


pezloco posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
pezloco posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
Staying awake is for hosts


I'm literally in bed on my phone playing mafia because my wife told me to go to sleep.

@DoomTheGyarados, explain your magic trick on Red for me?

I see that you guys same times, but I see Red predicting what post tipped you off that Luis was scum and you predicting that Red would know what post tipped you off and that Red would have insight into your thought process. But I don't understand why any of that is a scum tell on Red. It's a huge town clear on you if we needed it because you both base the post on your town play. Again not that we need it but it's saying Red predicted that post based on your town play and you confirmed it was that post and that Red would know why. Just not seeing your smoking gun.


DoomTheGyarados posted...
When Luis said that he was satisfied with the day my eyes literally narrowed in real life which is why I had the follow up I did of "that's ok, please do give me reads still" and then his reads to me - Chris who he has known for over a decade in a variety of really intense projects - had all of the conviction of a noodle. I've seen Luis try to sway Chris in a topic before (Mercs) there he was very listless.

Like him being satisfied when the day was up in the air, the contentment told me that my list of people voting me was OK to him and he just... didn't care? But I had already decided I was going to kill Lea for that claim but Luis just kept coming back around again and again inside my head. It was like "Ergh he hasn't been super bad but that two post combo has so many things wrong with it." Finally about a minute before I posted I resolved myself that it was going to be Luis because I remember that I tend to soft defend scum a bit day one. Like I'll let things go that I shouldn't and so that was enough things on the scale to murder Luis. Also Luis is sneaky and if he was scum I knew it'd be a very good coup for town.

So yeah pretty last minute and a lot of data crunching of various metas.

As an aside if you say something that lines up with this I am probably going to vote for you, because you have told me in the past that town Chris thinks this way (in defense of my town game as scum) and that I am scared of making big decisions and I worry over them and am not as confident as I sound. Very true statements mind you, and present in this case, but for you to try to use them as a way to go "See, I can read Chris and I am defending him look at my use he is town here guys" comes off as scum manipulation and why I asked for this in this fashion. Basically town red knows he already said this in my presence and wouldn't use it in this fashion to "confirm me." Also you've been telling people to ask me a lot in this game to verify you, which also comes off manipulative but I guess we'll see.

(He is at work though this is true)


Pez please read my posts.


I read it. I don't understand why that is a smoking gun. That paragraph doesn't make much sense to me. I was asking for rephrase but I didn't ask well.


Oh. Red said something that doesn't actually confirm me town. Like, Town Red knows that is a tell he gave away.
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Camarija
06/22/19 12:09:10 AM
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For what it's worth Tom, I have you independently as Town

The way I read you yesterday, I think you know I had you in my top Town

The way you swatted away my offer to sheep you, I thought was a very good look, for example

But I'm looking at the cold hard logic and the facts, and it feels like you are more or less tied to Luis in cooperative manner
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pezloco
06/22/19 12:09:29 AM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...
Not only that, but at first Red wanted ME to prove to HIM I was town. He even positioned it as "Guys... I can solve this. Chris, tell me what you did and I will confirm if it is right."

Lopen nailed it (also a little paranoid Scum Lopen is living inside my head BUT AS LONG AS SCUM BLOOD FLOWS I WON'T THINK ON IT MUCH) when he said Red isn't scum hunting, he's trying to appear useful.


Totally agree that appearing useful but not hunting is Reds scumtell.

I think I understand better.
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Tom Bombadil
06/22/19 12:11:07 AM
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Camarija posted...
But you had Luis as No Read / Undecided

What made you go from that to "ok I'll sheep Luis" in particular

It really felt like you were doing this to the detriment of Lea3Lea in particular


2/4 of my favorite sheep targets giving me scum Vbes and n interesting argument (that I've since forgotten) on#3.

Whatever connection to Lea is coincidental I think. I never actually got around to following Luis
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Camarija
06/22/19 12:13:46 AM
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Tom Bombadil posted...
Camarija posted...
But you had Luis as No Read / Undecided

What made you go from that to "ok I'll sheep Luis" in particular

It really felt like you were doing this to the detriment of Lea3Lea in particular


2/4 of my favorite sheep targets giving me scum Vbes and n interesting argument (that I've since forgotten) on#3.

Whatever connection to Lea is coincidental I think. I never actually got around to following Luis


I really want to believe you :(

I'll keep looking around
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 12:14:13 AM
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Cam my friend what are YOUR thoughts on my magic trick with Red?
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pezloco
06/22/19 12:15:02 AM
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Camarija posted...
For what it's worth Tom, I have you independently as Town

The way I read you yesterday, I think you know I had you in my top Town

The way you swatted away my offer to sheep you, I thought was a very good look, for example

But I'm looking at the cold hard logic and the facts, and it feels like you are more or less tied to Luis in cooperative manner


I'm not sure how you put weight to different things? Like I don't see very many people who would gladly say yes please sheep me. I mean Chris and Corrik might. Ulti probably too. But that's self explanatory.

The stuff around Tom and Luis looks circumstantial. So it looks like you tunneled in on Luis and are therefore ignoring the many other posts Tom had except one or two that referenced you.

This is either town tunneling or scum flailing for something to distract. If Red flips scum you're on my radar.
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Tom Bombadil
06/22/19 12:15:59 AM
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Search your feelings you know it to be true.

But yeah I think I compared Luis to dowolf at least in my head. Content I respected just not tons of it. In occasional paragraphs instead of a steam of one liners
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Lopen
06/22/19 12:17:24 AM
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Tom my friend (SUSPECT) what are YOUR thoughts on Chris's magic trick with Red?
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Lopen
06/22/19 12:18:44 AM
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Damn. Crap. Can he read the parenthesis?

(Can he?)
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DoomTheGyarados
06/22/19 12:19:23 AM
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(According to my mercs memory Tom wasn't always able to read builds without parenthesis, so you should be safe)
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turbopuns3
06/22/19 12:19:26 AM
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Chris if red was town do you think he would have town cleared you in his own personal view after day 1
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