Board 8 > ^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Nominations

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Drakeryn
06/24/19 6:31:43 PM
#251:


WickIebee posted...
Johnbobb posted...
shapes***ing

lol

I would personally count Kirby. Some of his forms are clearly full-body shapeshifting (see Johnbobb's gifs), some he changes color, and for many more he grows hair, dog ears, fur, etc. (which is partial shapeshifting, and would be questionable if it stood alone, but in combination with the others I think is plenty).

Also for whatever it's worth I saw Kirby nominated and thought "ooh that's a good one" and didn't think to question whether it counted until this debate came up.
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StifledSilence
06/24/19 6:32:45 PM
#252:


The hat is a design. His body is literally transforming to whatever the power is and the hat is part of the transformation. He doesnt run a hat shop and carry hats around. Please stop making shit up.

EDIT: This was in response to Wickle.
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WickIebee
06/24/19 6:33:51 PM
#253:


I just think people need to stop taking my arguments like "I disagree so it must be wrong."

I'm a lot smarter than a lot of people will ever give me credit for. It's why I'm just so emotionally distraught.
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Hardcore_Adult
06/24/19 6:34:24 PM
#254:


God it really doesn't take much to get folk fired up on here, and that's before the poxy thing starts!
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Johnbobb
06/24/19 6:35:59 PM
#255:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yu3r9O3UQ" data-time="&start=1034


oh man he stole that broom's hat
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Underleveled
06/24/19 6:37:52 PM
#256:


what ever kirby es dum
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Lopen
06/24/19 6:38:00 PM
#257:


WickIebee posted...
I'm a lot smarter than a lot of people will ever give me credit for. It's why I'm just so emotionally distraught.


I'm judging your arguments on their own merit I don't even know who you are.
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scarletspeed7
06/24/19 6:38:21 PM
#258:


Hardcore_Adult posted...
God it really doesn't take much to get folk fired up on here, and that's before the poxy thing starts!

Hey look, a sideline opinion that contributes nothing to the conversation! Classic HCA!
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Johnbobb
06/24/19 6:38:51 PM
#259:


Underleveled posted...
what ever kirby es dum

shit I concede
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Hardcore_Adult
06/24/19 6:39:10 PM
#260:


Underleveled posted...
what ever kirby es dum


Ertyu has possessed this man!

Quick, get the Holy Water and Psalms!
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NBIceman
06/24/19 6:42:30 PM
#261:


WickIebee posted...
I just think people need to stop taking my arguments like "I disagree so it must be wrong."

I'm a lot smarter than a lot of people will ever give me credit for. It's why I'm just so emotionally distraught.

Bro nobody's doing anything like this. You're presenting your side, others are presenting theirs. That's how discussions works.
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Drakeryn
06/24/19 6:46:26 PM
#262:


Actually, a thought: If there were a person who had the superpower to transform the size/shape/color of only the hair on his head, would that count? At will, he could have a bright green mohawk, or waist-length blond hair, or be bald, but he couldn't transform anything else.

This isn't directly relevant to Kirby because Kirby transforms a lot more than that; I'm just curious what people would vote.
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scarletspeed7
06/24/19 6:48:40 PM
#263:


No, I would not support Medusa from the Inhumans.
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Drakeryn
06/24/19 6:50:01 PM
#264:


oh wow that's actually a real character? nice
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Lopen
06/24/19 6:54:32 PM
#265:


I wouldn't considering the necessary external catalyst on the hair. At that point it really is more like Mario. If Kirby was always Milky Way Wishes Kirby you'd have a better argument on that front but it'd still be iffy.

To me it's mostly how he implements the attacks he steals (he's definitely more of a shapeshifter than like Mr. Fantastic who was technically allowed), and the fact that some of the abilities have rather elaborate alterations (like UFO Kirby or Wing Kirby-- he wouldn't necessarily need to turn into a UFO for example to have the abilities of one but that's how his body decides to do it) that lets Kirby barely qualify.
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Mewtwo59
06/24/19 7:04:25 PM
#266:


Drakeryn posted...
Actually, a thought: If there were a person who had the superpower to transform the size/shape/color of only the hair on his head, would that count? At will, he could have a bright green mohawk, or waist-length blond hair, or be bald, but he couldn't transform anything else.

This isn't directly relevant to Kirby because Kirby transforms a lot more than that; I'm just curious what people would vote.


Well the Harry Potter support went to the animagi rather than Tonks, so I can't answer that.
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WickIebee
06/24/19 7:51:53 PM
#267:


Lopen posted...
To me it's mostly how he implements the attacks he steals (he's definitely more of a shapeshifter than like Mr. Fantastic who was technically allowed), and the fact that some of the abilities have rather elaborate alterations (like UFO Kirby or Wing Kirby-- he wouldn't necessarily need to turn into a UFO for example to have the abilities of one but that's how his body decides to do it) that lets Kirby barely qualify.


See, I'm still under the argument that it's more convenience than anything.

A major example of Digestive Assimilation without Digestive Shapeshifting is Wapol from One Piece, depending actually on how you want to view this argument. Someone can correct me as I describe this. Wapol eats metallic objects and then gains the properties of them. Like he can make a cannon appear out his mouth or on his body after eating one. What he does is somewhat different from shapeshifting, since it's more like a machine, where he upgrades but can't really revert himself. But also, he can eat things that don't give him powers as they don't possess them.

Kirby does a similar thing in his normal power where he can eat a lot of things, but not everything will give him a power. And even many things that give him powers don't give him shapeshifting. His full on shapeshifting due to a power in a basic game (Rock and Wheel for example) are more the side of this game from the power, not Kirby. Many other cases he does have an aesthetic change like yes, UFO, Wing. But he doesn't do that with everything. This is something called Consumptive Replication (The power to gain the powers of others by consuming them.) A similar user of this was actually Naraku in Inuyasha, who similarly could take on a body part he ate from an enemy, not to be mistaken to be shapeshifting. (Granted, don't quote me on this one, I know Genny and maybe a few others would know him better to explain his power)

Kirby's still different since Digestive Assimilation includes items, as opposed to Consumptive Replication. Kirby instead, in a sense, swallows the enemy and kind of takes its soul which becomes a hat. Obviously this isn't explained, but Super Star (where the hats were introduced) would let you take off the power to create a helper. The helper stuff wouldn't continue past Super Star but the hats would, which you can assume is aesthetics, but the way it works is essentially the same. This can also be though about in the fact that if Kirby gets hit or releases his power manually, the power up floats around as a Star until Kirby picks up another power-up or re-eats the star. The fact that the power is still solidified kind of helps the fact that Kirby's power comes from the soul of the enemy that was absorbed. I hope that makes sense finally where I'm coming from in the case of how I'm fighting for his power to not be shapeshifting.

HOWEVER, I do want to say that after other arguments, I do agree with the elasticity stuff regarding Kirby 64 (in particular for power-ups being merged) and just Kirby's powers in general (since the very beginning) and of course Yarn Kirby being the same character, which was criticized when I said no to same character.
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v_charon
06/24/19 8:02:59 PM
#268:


In: Kirby
Out: Cappy

In: Rachel Berenson (Animorphs)
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Lopen
06/24/19 8:04:52 PM
#269:


I agree with your decision charon. Good fair unbiased hosting.
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GenesisSaga
06/24/19 8:06:27 PM
#270:


Meatwad :(
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Zigzagoon
06/24/19 8:08:21 PM
#271:


To be fair this is pretty important since it decides who wins this contest
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scarletspeed7
06/24/19 8:13:03 PM
#272:


Yep, pretty much.
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Lopen
06/24/19 8:17:15 PM
#273:


I don't think Kirby wins. Mountains generally favor the more quintessential examples. I guess we'll see though.
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NBIceman
06/24/19 8:19:31 PM
#274:


Who do you think wins if not Kirby? I'm not seeing a whole lot of top contenders on that list.
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scarletspeed7
06/24/19 8:20:20 PM
#275:


Clearly it's Plastic Man so you should all just get on board now.
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Johnbobb
06/24/19 8:20:31 PM
#276:


I'm predicting one of:

Link
Ditto
Dracula
Genie
Goku
Loki

I think Kirby makes top 10 but if he couldn't win Aliens I don't think he's gonna win Shapeshifters
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StifledSilence
06/24/19 8:20:51 PM
#277:


Zigzagoon posted...
To be fair this is pretty important since it decides who wins this contest


Oh hey the propaganda machine started earlier than usual.
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Zigzagoon
06/24/19 8:22:42 PM
#278:


StifledSilence posted...
Zigzagoon posted...
To be fair this is pretty important since it decides who wins this contest


Oh hey the propaganda machine started earlier than usual.

I predicted Snoopy winning canines from before it even started yknow
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WickIebee
06/24/19 8:22:52 PM
#279:


Johnbobb posted...
I'm predicting one of:

Link
Ditto
Dracula
Genie
Goku
Loki

I think Kirby makes top 10 but if he couldn't win Aliens I don't think he's gonna win Shapeshifters


>Says doesn't think Kirby can win because he lost in a different category
>Names Link as a favorite to win

Yeah... Nah.
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scarletspeed7
06/24/19 8:23:52 PM
#280:


Johnbobb posted...
I'm predicting one of:

Link

You don't know how these contests work do you?

Link is entering his 15th contest I think.
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StifledSilence
06/24/19 8:24:56 PM
#281:


Zigzagoon posted...
StifledSilence posted...
Zigzagoon posted...
To be fair this is pretty important since it decides who wins this contest


Oh hey the propaganda machine started earlier than usual.

I predicted Snoopy winning canines from before it even started yknow


Oh ok

Oh hey the propaganda machine is starting a bit later for KOTM standards, but still earlier than Disney.
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StifledSilence
06/24/19 8:25:22 PM
#282:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Johnbobb posted...
I'm predicting one of:

Link

You don't know how these contests work do you?

Link is entering his 15th contest I think.


Batman says hi.
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Underleveled
06/24/19 8:25:59 PM
#283:


Why does anyone even humor him?
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Zigzagoon
06/24/19 8:29:39 PM
#284:


Man people sure get pissed for no reason when I say their character has a good shot at winning. How is that a bad thing? If someone told me a character I liked would be likely to win something Id say Great lets make that happen then!
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PumpkinCoach
06/24/19 8:29:42 PM
#285:


how many more shots would link even have? we've got to be running out of eligible categories by now.
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StifledSilence
06/24/19 8:32:19 PM
#286:


Zigzagoon posted...
Man people sure get pissed for no reason when I say their character has a good shot at winning. How is that a bad thing? If someone told me a character I liked would be likely to win something Id say Great lets make that happen then!


Nobody is pissed. Im just making an observation about the propaganda.
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Drakeryn
06/24/19 8:32:22 PM
#287:


PumpkinCoach posted...
how many more shots would link even have? we've got to be running out of eligible categories by now.

you underestimate link imo
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scarletspeed7
06/24/19 8:37:51 PM
#288:


StifledSilence posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Johnbobb posted...
I'm predicting one of:

Link

You don't know how these contests work do you?

Link is entering his 15th contest I think.


Batman says hi.

Dude, come on. Worst attempt of false equivalence!
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Zigzagoon
06/24/19 8:42:34 PM
#289:


StifledSilence posted...
Zigzagoon posted...
Man people sure get pissed for no reason when I say their character has a good shot at winning. How is that a bad thing? If someone told me a character I liked would be likely to win something Id say Great lets make that happen then!


Nobody is pissed. Im just making an observation about the propaganda.

Either way it doesnt even matter that much to me, I have no dog in this race to win so you guys can battle to the death for this one
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v_charon
06/24/19 8:44:58 PM
#290:


Nintendo winners aren't exactly uncommon, and we're coming off a recent Smash powered victory. Then again, I was surprised he only managed 8th in Aliens.
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Johnbobb
06/24/19 8:50:05 PM
#291:


StifledSilence posted...
Zigzagoon posted...
Man people sure get pissed for no reason when I say their character has a good shot at winning. How is that a bad thing? If someone told me a character I liked would be likely to win something Id say Great lets make that happen then!


Nobody is pissed. Im just making an observation about the propaganda.

yeah, definitely not pissed, just making predictions
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Zigzagoon
06/24/19 8:53:40 PM
#292:


Well good, dont want to piss people off with just making my own predictions
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Drakeryn
06/24/19 9:22:59 PM
#293:


hmm

I feel like Kirby is more of a "bottom half of the top 10" character

then again, I don't see any standout superstars in the roster. maybe Ditto, though the Pokemon controversy probably hurts
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Underleveled
06/24/19 9:34:37 PM
#294:


v_charon posted...
Nintendo winners aren't exactly uncommon, and we're coming off a recent Smash powered victory. Then again, I was surprised he only managed 8th in Aliens.

It's as if we aren't on a video game site that hasn't heavily favored Nintendo above all else since 2004.
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v_charon
06/24/19 9:54:14 PM
#295:


I mean, exactly. That's why I think the prediction made didn't deserve any sort of comments against it. It's a pretty fair guess.
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