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hyperpsycho
06/23/19 10:34:18 AM
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McgeesAlice808 posted...
Gamerguymass posted...
It's also called playing to your audience. When at least half, if not closer to 3/4, the audience for most of those types of movies is straight guys then why would you include scenes of gay men making out? Its not a matter of hating gay people, generally guys just don't want to see other guys going at it. Now if it had been two women then no one would care or everyone would love it.

The gay population is about 4.5% so if you were to say half are men half are women that leaves 2.25% plus the few women that get turned on by guy on guy stuff, so maybe 5% of your audience would like it. Now on the reverse you take that 2.25% gate women and take into account surveys have shown over 70% of guy's number one fantasy is a 3some, then that's at least 75% of your audience that would like two women making out.

TLDR, most people don't hate gays, as witnessed by the majority support for same sex marriage now, they would rather just see two chicks making out instead of two guys.


This is a horrible argument. Anime titty lovers and weeb fans are also a minority, perhaps even more so than gay movie goers. The average person wouldnt care or outright supports video game characters being less sexualized as can be seen by more and more studios appealing to a more prude crowd. Arguing ad populum is counter to an anti-censorship stance which I know you hold. In fact, popularity is the weapon for censorship if the majority of people think its gross then it shouldnt be shown, so you using that is extremely short-sighted.

Plus downplaying the gay population like he did is a dogwhistle.
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DrizztLink
06/23/19 10:34:20 AM
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boxington posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
boxington posted...
I think that I heard about the one in Black Panther, but what was cut out of Thor: Ragnarok?

I'd never heard of a gay scene in BP, but Raganrok at some point had a scene with a woman leaving Valkyrie's bedroom.

thanks.

I think remember the actress saying something about playing Valkyrie as if she's gay/bi in an interview

It's pretty obvious that she was in a relationship with one of the other Valkyrie that sacrificed herself for her in that fucking gorgeous flashback scene.
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A_A_Battery
06/23/19 10:35:04 AM
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Good. And they should cut the straight ones out too because it's none of my business to see that.
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Gamerguymass
06/23/19 12:37:20 PM
#55:


McgeesAlice808 posted...
Gamerguymass posted...
It's also called playing to your audience. When at least half, if not closer to 3/4, the audience for most of those types of movies is straight guys then why would you include scenes of gay men making out? Its not a matter of hating gay people, generally guys just don't want to see other guys going at it. Now if it had been two women then no one would care or everyone would love it.

The gay population is about 4.5% so if you were to say half are men half are women that leaves 2.25% plus the few women that get turned on by guy on guy stuff, so maybe 5% of your audience would like it. Now on the reverse you take that 2.25% gate women and take into account surveys have shown over 70% of guy's number one fantasy is a 3some, then that's at least 75% of your audience that would like two women making out.

TLDR, most people don't hate gays, as witnessed by the majority support for same sex marriage now, they would rather just see two chicks making out instead of two guys.


This is a horrible argument. Anime titty lovers and weeb fans are also a minority, perhaps even more so than gay movie goers. The average person wouldnt care or outright supports video game characters being less sexualized as can be seen by more and more studios appealing to a more prude crowd. Arguing ad populum is counter to an anti-censorship stance which I know you hold. In fact, popularity is the weapon for censorship if the majority of people think its gross then it shouldnt be shown, so you using that is extremely short-sighted.


Demographics are literally how movies are funded and made. What do you think focus groups are? Every single business in the world uses them. If the majority of your customers don't like something then you don't do it. That is business 101. That is how the world works regardless of whether you like it or not or think it should. Any type of product or service advertised towards gay people does the same thing. If their customer base is overwhelmingly gay then they aren't going to cater to straight people and lose/annoy their current customers.

If you want to ignore how businesses have been run for decades and go another route instead then we can: gay scenes weren't needed in those movies. I have never seen th3 Descendents so I can't comment on that, but sticking in some random gay background character in the other three adds nothing to the other movies at all. The Jurassic series has never played up romantic relationships, so why start now for background characters?

In FK there wasn't any relationships except the aftermath of the two main characters who had a relationship off-screen between movies. Thor and BP didn't really have any relationships at all except for T'Challa's ex/old flame/whatever exactly helping out. How does putting in random gay scenes help the plot? It doesn't. If the actual main characters in these movies aren't being shown in relationships then why do we need scenes of nobodies that doesn't help the plot at all?

Also as an aside, the studios "going after" or more like bowing down, to the more prude crowd, or sjw crowd, tend to have their games fail miserably. The people whining for it to be changed don't actually have an interest in the game, and since the studio changed what the game/series/franchise used to be they pissed off the already existing fanbase who told the studio to go fuck themselves and they didn't buy it either. Mass Effect Andromeda is a perfect example of this. It got the studio that made it shut down and the franchise put on the shelf for years to come.
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hyperpsycho
06/23/19 1:10:03 PM
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Nidhoggr
06/23/19 6:04:27 PM
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McgeesAlice808 posted...
The same thing applies to fanservice. Fanservice is pandering to perverts and is unnecessary. The ordinary gamer does not play video games to get horny. The more perverted it is, the more uncomfortable it gets for a mainstream audience. Any gratuitous or just any sexual fanservice at all should be removed by your logic. This could extend to consoles as a whole, the normal "demographic" of consoles aren't meant to be for jacking off. As Sony sure appears to feel that way, PS4's prude policy of getting sexualization censored is perfectly justified under your logic.
And the most successful games aren't games with much sexual fanservice, especially not underage ones.

Why are you trying to compare Japanese games to western movies? lol. They both have different demographics.
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vocedelmorte
06/23/19 6:25:40 PM
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They censored Kaworu saying that he loves Shinji like wtf
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Nidhoggr
06/23/19 6:26:08 PM
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McgeesAlice808 posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
McgeesAlice808 posted...
The same thing applies to fanservice. Fanservice is pandering to perverts and is unnecessary. The ordinary gamer does not play video games to get horny. The more perverted it is, the more uncomfortable it gets for a mainstream audience. Any gratuitous or just any sexual fanservice at all should be removed by your logic. This could extend to consoles as a whole, the normal "demographic" of consoles aren't meant to be for jacking off. As Sony sure appears to feel that way, PS4's prude policy of getting sexualization censored is perfectly justified under your logic.
And the most successful games aren't games with much sexual fanservice, especially not underage ones.

Why are you trying to compare Japanese games to western movies? lol. They both have different demographics.

Because that's what I often see him arguing for. For you though, it's the ability to spout racial slurs. There's 0 audience for that other than edgy flash animations and klan rallies.

wat lol
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TroutPaste
06/23/19 6:29:29 PM
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friendbuddypal posted...
I'm glad people on the left are warming up to the idea of censorship being bad.


THE LEFT
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ZannoL
06/23/19 6:36:28 PM
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El Mexicano Texano
06/23/19 6:40:43 PM
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TC complains about censorship because of his feelings which came be controlled/influenced with rational thinking. Yet he's going around with an ad blocker censoring income from people without their consent and no way of them stopping him.
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MrMallard
06/24/19 2:42:58 AM
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vocedelmorte posted...
They censored Kaworu saying that he loves Shinji like wtf

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hyperpsycho
06/24/19 2:47:09 AM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
TC complains about censorship because of his feelings which came be controlled/influenced with rational thinking. Yet he's going around with an ad blocker censoring income from people without their consent and no way of them stopping him.

This is a confusing post.
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 2:49:42 AM
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What the fuck is the Descendants 2?

Also the 'gay' scene in Endgame kind of made me angry cause of how obvious it was that the way it was shot was so that when they dub the chinese version they can just change the pronouns from male to female and suddenly it becomes a 100% straight scene.
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wheredayayo
06/24/19 3:02:27 AM
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The reason i support this decision is because it's their movie and they can do what they want. If people don't like it they can make their own movies.

Example like Jordan peele. He got tired of all white leads in movies so instead of bitching and whining he made his own movies
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HylianFox
06/24/19 3:19:03 AM
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wheredayayo posted...

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Darmik
06/24/19 3:21:58 AM
#71:


wheredayayo posted...
The reason i support this decision is because it's their movie and they can do what they want. If people don't like it they can make their own movies.

Example like Jordan peele. He got tired of all white leads in movies so instead of bitching and whining he made his own movies


Hollywood executives don't let people make their own movies. That's the point. You don't think Jordan Peele had it that easy do you?
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0xDEFECADE
06/24/19 3:24:37 AM
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I never liked romantic scenes in action films anyway.
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Kensaimage
06/24/19 3:33:54 AM
#73:


DeadBankerDream posted...
What the fuck is the Descendants 2?

Also the 'gay' scene in Endgame kind of made me angry cause of how obvious it was that the way it was shot was so that when they dub the chinese version they can just change the pronouns from male to female and suddenly it becomes a 100% straight scene.


Why do you care what China thinks?

You think they give a fuck what we think? Lol
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 3:34:42 AM
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Kensaimage posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
What the fuck is the Descendants 2?

Also the 'gay' scene in Endgame kind of made me angry cause of how obvious it was that the way it was shot was so that when they dub the chinese version they can just change the pronouns from male to female and suddenly it becomes a 100% straight scene.


Why do you care what China thinks?

You think they give a fuck what we think? Lol

Okay.
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pegusus123456
06/24/19 4:12:25 AM
#75:


Kensaimage posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
What the fuck is the Descendants 2?

Also the 'gay' scene in Endgame kind of made me angry cause of how obvious it was that the way it was shot was so that when they dub the chinese version they can just change the pronouns from male to female and suddenly it becomes a 100% straight scene.


Why do you care what China thinks?

You think they give a fuck what we think? Lol

I mean, he's right tho
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008Zulu
06/24/19 5:08:47 AM
#76:


hyperpsycho posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
TC complains about censorship because of his feelings which came be controlled/influenced with rational thinking. Yet he's going around with an ad blocker censoring income from people without their consent and no way of them stopping him.

This is a confusing post.

Guessing English is not his native language.
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yusiko
06/24/19 6:02:53 AM
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@DeadBankerDream posted...
What the fuck is the Descendants 2?


descendants is a series of disney movies of which the third will be out soon
all the disney villains were banished and sealed away on the isle of the lost
the son of the beast and belle as his first act as king was to free 4 of the worst children to give them a chance at a normal life because the children of the villains are innocent of their parents crimes and shouldnt be locked away with them.

the 4 villain kids he chooses to free from the isle were

mal - the daughter of maleficent from sleeping beauty
jay - the son of jafar from aladdin
carlos - the son of cruella deville from 101 dalmantions
evie - daughter of the evil queen from snow white

the 4 of them have to decide if they really want to follow in their parents footsteps and become evil
or be good

its also a musical
here is a song from the second movie where king ben and the 4 villain kids have to sneak into the isle of the lost without getting caught

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSDcbucrWmw" data-time="


and here is a song from the first one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMFWFaSauVU" data-time="


and here is the first released song from the third movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvjkBcBBrmE" data-time="


and here is a promo for the third movie focusing on uma who is the daughter of ursala from the little mermaid. she was the villain of the second movie and will be in the third film as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDRhBfmcYE4" data-time="

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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 6:05:53 AM
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Uh.... okay.

That's nice I guess.
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pegusus123456
06/24/19 6:36:28 AM
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Seems lowkey fucked up that there are entire halfway houses full of children trapped on an island which was created to imprison murderers.

And then highkey fucked up that they join a song and dance about how they might possibly escape this tortured existence by submitting a job application to four high school kids.
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Gamerguymass
06/24/19 6:07:26 PM
#80:


McgeesAlice808 posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
McgeesAlice808 posted...
The same thing applies to fanservice. Fanservice is pandering to perverts and is unnecessary. The ordinary gamer does not play video games to get horny. The more perverted it is, the more uncomfortable it gets for a mainstream audience. Any gratuitous or just any sexual fanservice at all should be removed by your logic. This could extend to consoles as a whole, the normal "demographic" of consoles aren't meant to be for jacking off. As Sony sure appears to feel that way, PS4's prude policy of getting sexualization censored is perfectly justified under your logic.
And the most successful games aren't games with much sexual fanservice, especially not underage ones.

Why are you trying to compare Japanese games to western movies? lol. They both have different demographics.

Because that's what I often see him arguing for. For you though, it's the ability to spout racial slurs. There's 0 audience for that other than edgy flash animations and klan rallies.


What are you talking about? I don't talk about Japanese anime games because I don't play them. I might have said once I don't think games in general should be censored, but I know nothing about those types games. Here you are making all these accusations and you don't even have the right person.
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yusiko
06/24/19 6:19:10 PM
#81:


pegusus123456 posted...
Seems lowkey fucked up that there are entire halfway houses full of children trapped on an island which was created to imprison murderers.


it is
sleeping beauty's mother is a real bitch about it as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrYnC0vUqLA" data-time="

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pegusus123456
06/24/19 6:32:01 PM
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I didn't notice that Ursula's daughter was the younger daughter from Black Lightning. Explains why that promo with her is on a higher degree of acting than what I've seen from the other videos <_<
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 6:36:17 PM
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I thought there was a new sequel to The Descendants I hadn't heard about and there was a secret deleted scene of Shailene Woodley honking another lady.
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yusiko
06/24/19 6:56:19 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I didn't notice that Ursula's daughter was the younger daughter from Black Lightning. Explains why that promo with her is on a higher degree of acting than what I've seen from the other videos <_<


the youngest sister in the charmed reboot is also in the descendants
and i wouldnt disparage the acting in descendants. dove cameron is fine and so is sofia whats her face
its mainly the men who have issues with the singing and acting and could use some improvement
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yusiko
06/24/19 6:59:22 PM
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ursula's daughter actually got her start on the disney channel
she was in a few episodes of wizards of waverly place and then was given her own disney sitcom called A.N.T farm where she is a musical prodigy so she gets put in the A.N.T program where child prodigies attend high school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32-UYNnJXN0" data-time="


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXYUEsEo9vo" data-time="

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