Current Events > can someone explain to me how my pick up advice is creepy?

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77810513/923764422

took 30 minutes to type this out, went back to re-read it to see if there was anything creepy about it...nope don't see anything. TONS of guys struggle with girl related subjects such as this. i know all the right answers because i'm a pick up artist. so...what is wrong with that?
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Being a pick up artists is creepy. Its manipulative and weird because youre treating every encounter like a game or something where you put in a few inputs and everyone is supposed to give you exactly what you want.
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YookaLaylee posted...

Being a pick up artists is creepy. Its manipulative and weird because youre treating every encounter like a game or something where you put in a few inputs and everyone is supposed to give you exactly what you want.

no, being a pick up artist is about learning how to adjust your inputs while still being yourself, understanding the perspective of the other side and how to come to a mutually beneficial union

-i'm not treating every encounter like a game...but that doesn't mean there aren't "better" moves than others. like if a girl is in a large group, it's "better" to wait until the group breaks down a bit rather than intrude right into the group. is it creepy to know that and capitalize on it?
-i don't put in a "few inputs". i talk, see how she's taking what i say, see what she's putting out and i adjust. it'd be creepier if people didn't adjust and calibrate. i just happen to adjust better than most people
-girls don't give me "exactly what i want", it takes 2 people to have sex...the goal is for us to reach a mutually beneficial end. she just needs to realize why i'm a good partner and it is my job to convey that properly.

so again, what is so creepy about what i just said?
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No_U_L7 posted...

no, being a pick up artist is about learning how to adjust your inputs while still being yourself, understanding the perspective of the other side and how to come to a mutually beneficial union

No, its its viewing a romantic or sexual interest as an opponent whom you must beat in a game. You manipulate them, saying exactly what they want to hear, you fake interest in what they say while searching every sentence for clues you can use to construct a statement that appeals to them.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

No, its its viewing a romantic or sexual interest as an opponent whom you must beat in a game. You manipulate them, saying exactly what they want to hear, you fake interest in what they say while searching every sentence for clues you can use to construct a statement that appeals to them.

that definitely isn't what being a pick up artist is about and is the furthest thing from what i do. you may be thinking about a prejudiced definition. let me put it this way: when i'm talking to a girl, i lie maybe only about 2% of the time and even then it's only small lies ("my friends just went home" to explain why i'm at the bar by myself)
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Trapping a cashier into a five minute conversation they aren't allowed to walk away from is an asshole thing to do FYI
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lmao
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pegusus123456 posted...

Trapping a cashier into a five minute conversation they aren't allowed to walk away from is an asshole thing to do FYI

lol are you really going to misinterpret what i said that badly?

1. she can walk away, she can just say she needs to check on something in the back
2. if you don't feel like she's enjoying the conversation, you can leave any time you want
3. you should have the confidence to go for what you want and know that people will like talking to you for 5 minutes

being overly polite and erring on caution is an easy way to never get what you want. at least be willing to try and adjust and learn is a good way to take steps towards getting what you want

there is no "trapping" in what i posted. all this is VERY clear in what i posted, but go on trying to twist words and being pedantic
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If you're manning the till at Burger King, no I don't think you're allowed to just walk into the back.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

If you're manning the till at Burger King, no I don't think you're allowed to just walk into the back.

i've seen workers go to the back when there is no line. if there is a line, you'll have to move along anyway.

regardless, you should be able to read and adjust to the girl and see how willing she is to talk. calling it "trapping" because you're choosing a time to go there where you have more of an opportunity to talk is absolutely ridiculous
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Why is it the (potential) harasser who gets to decide what is right and wrong in this situation?

So creepy.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Why is it the (potential) harasser who gets to decide what is right and wrong in this situation?

So creepy.

Wtf does that even mean? I am a person, I have the right to go after what I want. Because I'm a good person and very attuned to others, I try my best not to intrude or overstep my bounds...but that doesn't mean I'm not going to take steps towards trying for what I want. The girl has the same rights, she can leave, she can ask me to leave, she can flirt back.

Do you not understand your constitutional rights....?
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No_U_L7 posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Why is it the (potential) harasser who gets to decide what is right and wrong in this situation?

So creepy.

Wtf does that even mean? I am a person, I have the right to go after what I want. Because I'm a good person and very attuned to others, I try my best not to intrude or overstep my bounds...but that doesn't mean I'm not going to take steps towards trying for what I want. The girl has the same rights, she can leave, she can ask me to leave, she can flirt back.

Do you not understand your constitutional rights....?

So creepy.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

So creepy.

ok, so you're just trolling now? ok, i give people as much thought as they deserve...you officially deserve none
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I'm not trolling. I'm giving my honest response to the things you say. Acting like your constitutional rights are under attack because I think its weird that your actions towards a Burger King employee should be dictated by your own ability to know when you've gone too far and because they can "choose to go into the back" is fucking creepy.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

I'm not trolling. I'm giving my honest response to the things you say. Acting like your constitutional rights are under attack because I think its weird that your actions towards a Burger King employee should be dictated by your own ability to know when you've gone too far and because they can "choose to go into the back" is fucking creepy.

you're allowed to talk to people. lots of people actually really like talking to other people. that is how the world works. based off personal experience, girls are often super bored at work and love talking to people. if anything it helps pass the time. idk what to tell you, if you think talking to people is wrong you may need to explore the world a bit more.
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Another creepy response about how your un-asked-for presence in a woman's life while she's at work is beneficial to her because you're you.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Another creepy response about how your un-asked-for presence in a woman's life while she's at work is beneficial to her because you're you.

ok now you have to be trolling lol. i have no clue how someone can possibly think like that. you'd prefer i just state my order and walk away? i have no clue how you think people meet and date
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No_U_L7 posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Another creepy response about how your un-asked-for presence in a woman's life while she's at work is beneficial to her because you're you.

ok now you have to be trolling lol. i have no clue how someone can possibly think like that. you'd prefer i just state my order and walk away? i have no clue how you think people meet and date

Yeah order, be friendly enough, and move along. The cashier does not want a 5 minute conversation with some dude. Trying to pick up someone while they work is a bad look.

I didn't read it but if it's along the lines of "aggressively pursue what you want" you pretty much have to. You basically have to go after women like you'd go after a job or raise/promotion, because they're not going to simply fall into your lap while you're sitting at home playing video games.

I'd even consider myself to be a passive guy and have not had many partners, and even I think it's ridiculous that you're expected to never try talking to, flirting with, asking out.. any woman you encounter in a public space. They're supposed to just exist inside their own protective bubble at all times, huh? Makes me wonder how any of these guys or their fathers or grandfathers ever got laid if simply striking up a conversation with a girl is such a taboo subject.
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Talking to girls and spontaneously flirting is different from reading articles and books about different tactics to help you manipulate them. Theres nothing wrong with flirting. Pick up artist stuff is much more calculated and thats why its creepy
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Relationship is about time, sacrifice and communication
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gp1829 posted...

Yeah order, be friendly enough, and move along. The cashier does not want a 5 minute conversation with some dude. Trying to pick up someone while they work is a bad look.

how do you know what the cashier wants? maybe you're her dream guy and she'd be upset if you didn't talk to her. i'm not saying to lock into the 5 minute conversation...but as i explicitly said, try testing the waters to see if she's into it. if you compliment her hair color and she launches into a conversation...maybe she's into you and you should continue the conversation. if she says thanks and looks away...you can leave and "only inconvenienced her for 5 seconds". it's not a binary thing. i said you'll have the opportunity for a 4-5 min convo, not that it will happen.
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YookaLaylee posted...

Talking to girls and spontaneously flirting is different from reading articles and books about different tactics to help you manipulate them. Theres nothing wrong with flirting. Pick up artist stuff is much more calculated and thats why its creepy

huh....the articles, books and videos are about how to flirt. i don't think it's "calculated", i think it's "precise". but i mean...if you're gonna do something, what is wrong with doing it the precise way? the precise way is more optimal. so you're very much contradicting yourself.
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The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.
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No_U_L7 posted...

I am a person

Yes.

The problem is that a lot of puas do not view women to be such things. It is reducing a woman to a warm hole, because the mentality does not encourage you to consider the woman when "picking them up".
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No_U_L7 posted...

gp1829 posted...

Yeah order, be friendly enough, and move along. The cashier does not want a 5 minute conversation with some dude. Trying to pick up someone while they work is a bad look.

how do you know what the cashier wants? maybe you're her dream guy and she'd be upset if you didn't talk to her. i'm not saying to lock into the 5 minute conversation...but as i explicitly said, try testing the waters to see if she's into it. if you compliment her hair color and she launches into a conversation...maybe she's into you and you should continue the conversation. if she says thanks and looks away...you can leave and "only inconvenienced her for 5 seconds". it's not a binary thing. i said you'll have the opportunity for a 4-5 min convo, not that it will happen.

More than likely the hot girl at Burger King gets hit on all day by "pick up artist" I dont know for sure if wants a convo or not but I choose not to bother someone who would feel stuck in the situation because they are working and would feel obligated to be friendlier and nicer to a customer than they may want to. I think its sleazy to try and hit on someone while they are working.

Does it matter? It's all fake anyway.
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gp1829 posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

gp1829 posted...

Yeah order, be friendly enough, and move along. The cashier does not want a 5 minute conversation with some dude. Trying to pick up someone while they work is a bad look.

how do you know what the cashier wants? maybe you're her dream guy and she'd be upset if you didn't talk to her. i'm not saying to lock into the 5 minute conversation...but as i explicitly said, try testing the waters to see if she's into it. if you compliment her hair color and she launches into a conversation...maybe she's into you and you should continue the conversation. if she says thanks and looks away...you can leave and "only inconvenienced her for 5 seconds". it's not a binary thing. i said you'll have the opportunity for a 4-5 min convo, not that it will happen.

More than likely the hot girl at Burger King gets hit on all day by "pick up artist" I dont know for sure if wants a convo or not but I choose not to bother someone who would feel stuck in the situation because they are working and would feel obligated to be friendlier and nicer to a customer than they may want to. I think its sleazy to try and hit on someone while they are working.

Imagine actually thinking this.
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Chicken posted...

The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.

the only thing creepier than a pick up artist is not being a pick up artist. if you can maximize your chances with any given girl...why wouldn't you? it's like if i said you can raise your IQ to 150...and you're like "no that's dumb!" um....it's the complete opposite.

Umbreon posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

I am a person

Yes.

The problem is that a lot of puas do not view women to be such things. It is reducing a woman to a warm hole, because the mentality does not encourage you to consider the woman when "picking them up".

i think you're making a lot of assumptions here. how many pick up artists do you know? how many pick up communities are you around? i'm not saying no pick up artists are like you described, but the vast majority of them are not like that. most pick up artists are not misogynist. i spend a lot of time around pick up artists...and they may be dumb or annoying..but they are rarely misogynists. most pick up artists are just guys that are extremely shy or introverted and didn't learn how to talk to girls. i grew up sheltered and then when i moved out i immediately went into engineering. i was 22 and didn't know how to talk to girls at all. but you gotta learn somehow and it's never too late
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gp1829 posted...

More than likely the hot girl at Burger King gets hit on all day by "pick up artist" I dont know for sure if wants a convo or not but I choose not to bother someone who would feel stuck in the situation because they are working and would feel obligated to be friendlier and nicer to a customer than they may want to. I think its sleazy to try and hit on someone while they are working.

what you are doing is called projecting. you don't know that's how she's feeling. you're projecting how you think she feels onto her. i'd prefer to just start chatting and find out myself. BTW projecting is an unhealthy habit and leads to you being very judgemental. tons of people are guilty of it and i had to purposely snap myself out of that behavior. i prefer to focus on what i actually know. i don't know she doesn't want to talk to people. if i start talking to her and she seems super tired...i know she probably doesn't want to talk to people and i'll stop. it's much healthier behavior
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Looking at the culture tells you enough. It's a very predatory vibe to it. Women aren't seen as people, but as an "enemy" to conquer.

Of course you already know this, your innocent act could use some improvement.
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Umbreon posted...

Of course you already know this, your innocent act could use some improvement.

Seriously. The last few posts he's gone full ham on the creep factor. Obviously trying to make himself look as creepy as possible for... i dunno, internet points?
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Umbreon posted...

Looking at the culture tells you enough. It's a very predatory vibe to it. Women aren't seen as people, but as an "enemy" to conquer.

Of course you already know this, your innocent act could use some improvement.

again, how much of your time do you spend around this culture? my pick up friends and i are not like that at all. even the videos i still watch are not like that at all. they're all about understanding women and how to properly adjust to what the girl needs (without being fake)
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Umbreon posted...

Of course you already know this, your innocent act could use some improvement.

Seriously. The last few posts he's gone full ham on the creep factor. Obviously trying to make himself look as creepy as possible for... i dunno, internet points?

Because it's his gimmick.
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tfw when you troll for months and noone notices because theres nothing funny coming out of it.

And everytime anyone responds you basically just state that youre a troll like a fucking amateur.

Its not hard dude. Just gotta try a smidgeon.
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And your advice is to flirt up a cashier girl who can't leave without risking getting in trouble?


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No_U_L7 posted...

i talk, see how she's taking what i say, see what she's putting out and i adjust.

That's the problem right there.

You should always be unapologetically yourself and should never have to "adjust" anything, for anyone.
Doing otherwise is disingenuous and purposefully misleading.
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CE:
*sees hot burger king cashier*
*orders and runs away*

ME:
*sees hot burger king cashier*
*strikes up a conversation*

honestly, who would you rather be?
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No_U_L7 posted...

CE:
*sees hot burger king cashier*
*orders and runs away*

ME:
*sees hot burger king cashier*
*strikes up a conversation*

honestly, who would you rather be?

The one who isnt pretending to be a creeper on the internet for shits and giggles.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

CE:
*sees hot burger king cashier*
*orders and runs away*

ME:
*sees hot burger king cashier*
*strikes up a conversation*

honestly, who would you rather be?

The one who isnt pretending to be a creeper on the internet for shits and giggles.

LOL

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

because theres nothing funny coming out of it.

Yeah. When it's neither funny nor makes anyone angry... what's the point? Give the audience something.

Too many people settle for their existence being acknowledged. Zero ambition.
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DocDelicious posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

i talk, see how she's taking what i say, see what she's putting out and i adjust.

That's the problem right there.

You should always be unapologetically yourself and should never have to "adjust" anything, for anyone.
Doing otherwise is disingenuous and purposefully misleading.

no, being a pick up artist is about learning how to adjust your inputs while still being yourself, understanding the perspective of the other side and how to come to a mutually beneficial union

-i'm not treating every encounter like a game...but that doesn't mean there aren't "better" moves than others. like if a girl is in a large group, it's "better" to wait until the group breaks down a bit rather than intrude right into the group. is it creepy to know that and capitalize on it?
-i don't put in a "few inputs". i talk, see how she's taking what i say, see what she's putting out and i adjust. it'd be creepier if people didn't adjust and calibrate. i just happen to adjust better than most people
-girls don't give me "exactly what i want", it takes 2 people to have sex...the goal is for us to reach a mutually beneficial end. she just needs to realize why i'm a good partner and it is my job to convey that properly.


so you're just going to ignore the part where i CLEARLY state you still have to be yourself, which is in the exact same post you quoted? You're going to really just cherry pick whatever serves your argument?

there is a MASSIVE difference between adjusting and being fake. people are complicated and intricate (i definitely am). if i find a girl is more of a party girl, i'll play up my party boy side a bit more. if i find a girl is more intellectual, i'll play up my engineer side a bit more. nothing wrong with that...and it's the smart/optimal move. adjusting doesn't mean you're being fake, it means you're understanding better how to connect with the girl
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All that advice seems pretty sensible to me, not creepy at all. IDK why someone would call that creepy, lol.
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Umbreon posted...

Too many people settle for their existence being acknowledged. Zero ambition.

When you have nothing else in your life, then I guess TC feels that even basic acknowledgement and pity is better than that.
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Chicken posted...

The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.

Got em. But honestly this gimmick is very entertaining.
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Joelypoely posted...

Chicken posted...

The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.

Got em. But honestly this gimmick is very entertaining.

But honestly is that advice creepy for someone who is looking to get to know a Burger King cashier? What is a less creepy way to approach her?
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Shablagoo posted...

Joelypoely posted...

Chicken posted...

The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.

Got em. But honestly this gimmick is very entertaining.

But honestly is that advice creepy for someone who is looking to get to know a Burger King cashier? What is a less creepy way to approach her?

Somewhere else? The fuck is turning someone on in Burger King?
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Joelypoely posted...

Chicken posted...

The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.

Got em. But honestly this gimmick is very entertaining.

But honestly is that advice creepy for someone who is looking to get to know a Burger King cashier? What is a less creepy way to approach her?

Somewhere else? The fuck is turning someone on in Burger King?

All that meat. And how can you not get moist when you see those buns?
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YookaLaylee posted...

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Shablagoo posted...

Joelypoely posted...

Chicken posted...

The only thing creeper than a pickup artist is a guy who pretends to be a pickup artist on a video game forum full of complete strangers.

Got em. But honestly this gimmick is very entertaining.

But honestly is that advice creepy for someone who is looking to get to know a Burger King cashier? What is a less creepy way to approach her?

Somewhere else? The fuck is turning someone on in Burger King?

All that meat. And how can you not get moist when you see those buns?

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plus uniforms are sexy
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