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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:41:32 PM
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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/06/22/uk-court-orders-forced-abortion-for-disabled-catholic-woman/

And so it begins...
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DarkRoast
06/24/19 1:42:20 PM
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And so Breitbart spins...
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:43:06 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
And so Breitbart spins...

"B-b-but breitbaaaaaart!!1!1"
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hollow_shrine
06/24/19 1:43:26 PM
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Doom_Art
06/24/19 1:43:47 PM
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LOL Breitbart
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hollow_shrine
06/24/19 1:45:42 PM
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What's really fucking me up here is how she got pregnant in the first place. They need to DNA test that child and collect the father pronto. This is vile.
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 1:46:02 PM
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You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:48:12 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 1:49:11 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
What's really fucking me up here is how she got pregnant in the first place. They need to DNA test that child and collect the father pronto. This is vile.

It sounds like theyre planning on figuring that out too. This whole story is pretty fucked up.
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 1:49:27 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit


I'm not defending a shitty fake news site.
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 1:50:25 PM
#11:


SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit

Stop hating LGBTQ people
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Dyinglegacy
06/24/19 1:50:58 PM
#12:


Cancel the planet
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DarkRoast
06/24/19 1:51:19 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit


Don't talk to me about being "rational" when you link to Breitbart.
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DirkDiggles
06/24/19 1:51:57 PM
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I'm not gonna give Breitbart ad revenue. Thanks for the alt link tho.
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:55:39 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit


I'm not defending a shitty fake news site.

It was reported by other news sites too

Get your head out of your ass
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Doom_Art
06/24/19 1:56:22 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
It was reported by other news sites too

Then you didn't need to rely on a fake news site then
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 1:56:36 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit


I'm not defending a shitty fake news site.

It was reported by other news sites too

Get your head out of your ass


Yet the one you choose to link was the fake news site.
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:57:29 PM
#18:


"Forced abortions are ok because breitbart bad"

Truly the enlightened of our generation.
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Swagnificent119
06/24/19 1:57:37 PM
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Look at all this deflection lmfao
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:58:24 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit


I'm not defending a shitty fake news site.

It was reported by other news sites too

Get your head out of your ass


Yet the one you choose to link was the fake news site.

Breitbart is no less credible than major news networks that reported on the fucking ok hand being racist
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 1:58:42 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
Look at all this deflection lmfao

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Pukelid
06/24/19 1:59:01 PM
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This is an immensely sad story. Crushing. It sucks you'd use it to post in bad faith. God, what a situation. Heart goes out to the mother and her mother
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EndOfDiscOne
06/24/19 1:59:09 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
Look at all this deflection lmfao

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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 1:59:12 PM
#24:


ABPFzqa
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hockeybub89
06/24/19 1:59:16 PM
#25:


So we want mentally disabled people going through pregnancy?
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 1:59:36 PM
#26:


SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You tried but you failed once you posted a link to breitbart

How open minded and rational of you.

Stop defending this bullshit


I'm not defending a shitty fake news site.

It was reported by other news sites too

Get your head out of your ass


Yet the one you choose to link was the fake news site.

Breitbart is no less credible than major news networks that reported on the fucking ok hand being racist


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GamerJoker
06/24/19 1:59:43 PM
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A woman having her child forcibly aborted but let's all get stuck on whether you approve of TC's browsing history.
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s0nicfan
06/24/19 2:00:26 PM
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From the independent link:
The judge said evidence indicated the woman wanted to keep the baby.

She ruled that an abortion should still be carried out, as a balance of evidence showed that a termination was in the womans best interests.

I am acutely conscious of the fact that for the state to order a woman to have a termination where it appears that she doesnt want it is an immense intrusion, she said.

I have to operate in [her] best interests, not on societys views of termination.

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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 2:00:29 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
So we want mentally disabled people going through pregnancy?

That's not the point. The minute you defend this, abortion is no longer about women's rights and becomes a tool of oppression
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Tyranthraxus
06/24/19 2:00:45 PM
#31:


SageHarpuia posted...
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/06/22/uk-court-orders-forced-abortion-for-disabled-catholic-woman/

And so it begins...


You know who made a similar ruling in America? Almost the exact same circumstances and everything.

Brett Kavanaugh.
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 2:01:01 PM
#32:


hockeybub89 posted...
So we want mentally disabled people going through pregnancy?

Yeah he wants rape babies born to mentally disabled people who will them have mental breakdowns when they cant care for their child.

Like this whole story is incredibly tragic, but using this to troll is so fucking pathetic.
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SageHarpuia
06/24/19 2:01:30 PM
#33:


s0nicfan posted...
From the independent link:
The judge said evidence indicated the woman wanted to keep the baby.

She ruled that an abortion should still be carried out, as a balance of evidence showed that a termination was in the womans best interests.

I am acutely conscious of the fact that for the state to order a woman to have a termination where it appears that she doesnt want it is an immense intrusion, she said.

I have to operate in [her] best interests, not on societys views of termination.

So abortion is no longer a women's right issue?
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Swagnificent119
06/24/19 2:01:55 PM
#34:


hockeybub89 posted...
So we want mentally disabled people going through pregnancy?


No

But this is the actual point to make not that Tc used a bad source
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Balrog0
06/24/19 2:03:04 PM
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seems pretty messed up all around
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EndOfDiscOne
06/24/19 2:03:07 PM
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The womans mother, a former midwife who opposes abortion, had offered to care for the child with her daughters help.

Why can't they just do that?
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s0nicfan
06/24/19 2:03:45 PM
#37:


SageHarpuia posted...
So abortion is no longer a women's right issue?


Take a step back and breathe in. I was trying to get the topic back on track and away from the Breitbart discussion by linking to what is probably the most controversial part of the story. I wasn't making a judgement call.
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Tyranthraxus
06/24/19 2:04:05 PM
#38:


SageHarpuia posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
So we want mentally disabled people going through pregnancy?

That's not the point. The minute you defend this, abortion is no longer about women's rights and becomes a tool of oppression


This isn't really about Abortion being legal. It's about choice vs no choice.

In this particular case the woman's choice is still being violated. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro my choice. It means the choice of the person who has to be subjected to it.

Several years ago there was a woman who elected not to do chemotherapy because it would terminate her pregnancy. She died from cancer eventually, but was able to deliver her child and I support that decision too.
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Dyinglegacy
06/24/19 2:04:48 PM
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That's sad. What do you do in this situation? Let it be born, but have it put up for adoption, or kill it?
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Doom_Art
06/24/19 2:05:07 PM
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Sage is like one of the Infected from 28 Days Later

Only instead of blood, it's abortion. Sends him into a rabid frenzy.
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Tyranthraxus
06/24/19 2:05:23 PM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
That's sad. What do you do in this situation? Let it be born, but have it put up for adoption, or kill it?

Let her decide.
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MacadamianNut3
06/24/19 2:06:47 PM
#42:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
ABPFzqa

After seeing the OP I'm not that surprised by this
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hockeybub89
06/24/19 2:07:03 PM
#43:


SageHarpuia posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
So we want mentally disabled people going through pregnancy?

That's not the point. The minute you defend this, abortion is no longer about women's rights and becomes a tool of oppression

Mentally disabled people aren't allowed to do a lot of things. It's unfortunate that they were dealt such a bad hand in life.

Women who are not mentally disabled are perfectly free to choose what they want out of a pregnancy. It's almost like multiple issues can occasionally cross paths.
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GamerJoker
06/24/19 2:07:41 PM
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MacadamianNut3 posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
ABPFzqa

After seeing the OP I'm not that surprised by this

How could someone post this.
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Giant_Aspirin
06/24/19 2:07:44 PM
#45:


SageHarpuia posted...
"Forced abortions are ok because breitbart bad"

Truly the enlightened of our generation.


literally nobody said that, though. 100% fake news
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hockeybub89
06/24/19 2:08:09 PM
#46:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
That's sad. What do you do in this situation? Let it be born, but have it put up for adoption, or kill it?

Let her decide.

She is not mentally capable.
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kingdrake2
06/24/19 2:08:50 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
That's sad. What do you do in this situation? Let it be born, but have it put up for adoption, or kill it?

Let her decide.

She is not mentally capable.


we're all mentally capable.
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Tyranthraxus
06/24/19 2:09:34 PM
#48:


GamerJoker posted...

How could someone post this.


Good ol' caution club.

Goatthief is an underrated person for giving us this goldmine. People give him too much shit for no reason.
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Pukelid
06/24/19 2:09:37 PM
#49:


kingdrake2 posted...
we're all mentally capable.

This isn't the time. You should respectfully stay out of serious discussions
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 2:09:40 PM
#50:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
The womans mother, a former midwife who opposes abortion, had offered to care for the child with her daughters help.

Why can't they just do that?

But the judge pointed out that social workers were unlikely to accept this, because of the risks posed by the womans psychological limitations.
She said that if the baby stayed with the mother, the woman might have to leave her home.
The baby might also have to live with foster carers or be placed for adoption.
I think [she] would suffer greater trauma from having a baby removed, Ms Justice Lieven said.
It would at that stage be a real baby.
Pregnancy, although real to her, doesnt have a baby outside her body she can touch.
The judge said she had to make an enormous decision on the basis of what was best for the woman and that some of the evidence heard was heartbreaking.
She noted that the woman had no sense of what having a baby meant.
I think she would like to have a baby in the same way she would like to have a nice doll, she said.

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