Current Events > New sanctions for Iran targeting the Ayatollah

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Trump to bring Iran to its knees and force them to the bargaining table:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-signs-new-iran-sanctions-order-2019-06-24-live-updates/

President Trump has signed off on an order leveling new sanctions against Iran, as tensions between Washington and Tehran continue to escalate.

Mr. Trump, who called reporters into the Oval Office Monday for the surprise signing, described the sanctions as "hard hitting" and said they will deny Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei and others in his office access to the U.S. financial system and assets in the U.S. The sanctions come after Iran shot down a U.S. drone last week and Mr. Trump approved cyber attacks against the regime to retaliate, although the Trump administration says these sanctions are in response to a range of Iranian behavior.

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Are we still acting like Iran can avoid war by bargaining?
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Again, its weird how obsessed certain non-americans are with American politics on CE

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TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Again, its weird how obsessed certain non-americans are with American politics on CE

@Jaghave
@DarthWendy
And REMercs

You think this doesn't affect anyone other than Americans rofl
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REMercsChamp posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Again, its weird how obsessed certain non-americans are with American politics on CE

@Jaghave
@DarthWendy
And REMercs

You think this doesn't affect anyone other than Americans rofl

When you arent posting about NEETs youre shilling hard for Trump
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Most sapient beings would look back at the past 40 years, and realize that sanctions don't work, but we have Donald "sanctions will bring them to their knees" Trump and his supporters.
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mustachedmystic posted...

Most sapient beings would look back at the past 40 years, and realize that sanctions don't work, but we have Donald "sanctions will bring them to their knees" Trump and his supporters.

So what's going to happen then? They'll just accept their economy collapsing and not being able to travel anywhere or obtain funds from anyone?
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Of course he ignores my post because he has no response to it lmfao
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REMercsChamp posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

Most sapient beings would look back at the past 40 years, and realize that sanctions don't work, but we have Donald "sanctions will bring them to their knees" Trump and his supporters.

So what's going to happen then? They'll just accept their economy collapsing and not being able to travel anywhere or obtain funds from anyone?

The same thing that happened to Iran, Iraq, North Korea, and other nations we sanctioned over the years. Their leaders will dig in while the population suffers.
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mustachedmystic posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

mustachedmystic posted...

Most sapient beings would look back at the past 40 years, and realize that sanctions don't work, but we have Donald "sanctions will bring them to their knees" Trump and his supporters.

So what's going to happen then? They'll just accept their economy collapsing and not being able to travel anywhere or obtain funds from anyone?

The same thing that happened to Iran, Iraq, North Korea, and other nations we sanctioned over the years. Their leaders will dig in while the population suffers.

They're targeting the Ayatollah with these sanctions
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This isn't the first time "targeted sanctions" have been used. They don't work either.
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mustachedmystic posted...

This isn't the first time "targeted sanctions" have been used. They don't work either.

So you're saying either a) the sanctions are symbolic and do nothing in real life and are a waste of everyone's time or b)they do stuff but they'll just let the country crumble to dust under them while the leaders take the leftover scraps
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Maybe now Iran will negotiate with the US, who they can definitely count on to hold up their end of the bargain if they reach a deal
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Maybe now Iran will negotiate with the US, who they can definitely count on to hold up their end of the bargain if they reach a deal

With these sanctions, it sounds like Iran will have to come to the bargaining table and will have to accept whatever the US offers them
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Iran was not breaking the deal, and America is putting sanctions on them for what. The US is trying to bait them into a war and then say see we had no choice .
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It's B, not like I'm being cryptic.
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cjsdowg posted...

putting sanctions on them for what.

There weren't any additional sanctions until Iran started attacking tankers, drones etc. The US chose not to extend waivers on sanctions for Iran. Iran's hostilities go way back further than this.
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mustachedmystic posted...

It's B, not like I'm being cryptic.

We'll see if they accept this. They have a lot of enemies in the region who will pounce on this opportunity.
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Imagine a country striking a deal with another country, then revoking the deal, then punishing said country in the hopes that they will come crawling to strike a worse deal for themselves.

Imagine the "mastermind" behind this nonsense priding himself on his ability to make deals.

I don't think I've ever heard a republican talking head say anything that was actually wrong with Obama's Iran deal. All I ever heard was it was a "terrible deal. Bigly terrible" and that it "didn't work"
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Imagine a country striking a deal with another country, then revoking the deal, then punishing said country in the hopes that they will come crawling to strike a worse deal for themselves.

Imagine the "mastermind" behind this nonsense priding himself on his ability to make deals.

I don't think I've ever heard a republican talking head say anything that was actually wrong with Obama's Iran deal. All I ever heard was it was a "terrible deal. Bigly terrible" and that it "didn't work"

Let's not kid ourselves - the old deal lets Iran slowly creep up to building nuclear weapons
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Ironically, Trump's bellicosity empowers Iranian hard-liners, thereby making any kind of reconciliation far more difficult, but of course he couldn't stand living by some one else's terms. He just had to fix what wasn't broken, and now here we are.

REMercsChamp posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Imagine a country striking a deal with another country, then revoking the deal, then punishing said country in the hopes that they will come crawling to strike a worse deal for themselves.

Imagine the "mastermind" behind this nonsense priding himself on his ability to make deals.

I don't think I've ever heard a republican talking head say anything that was actually wrong with Obama's Iran deal. All I ever heard was it was a "terrible deal. Bigly terrible" and that it "didn't work"

Let's not kid ourselves - the old deal lets Iran slowly creep up to building nuclear weapons

Explain yourself
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REMercsChamp posted...

Let's not kid ourselves - the old deal lets Iran slowly creep up to building nuclear weapons

But, that's what they were doing before the deal, and they are getting ready to do it again now that Trump has broke it.
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mustachedmystic posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Let's not kid ourselves - the old deal lets Iran slowly creep up to building nuclear weapons

But, that's what they were doing before the deal, and they are getting ready to do it again now that Trump has broke it.

Well we'll see what Bolton and the others have to say about that then
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Imagine still having this unsound Iran obsession, who are Shia after all, and very rarely funding Islamic terrorism against the West, not in recent decades at least, while at the same time being besties with the Sunnis, namely the Gulf monarchies and above all the KSA, the country most directly responsible for 9/11 and the funding of radical Islam and wahabbite organisations in the West even nowadays. One day somebody will have to explain to me why the US diplomacy is being played like a damn fiddle to such a degree by the Sunni (and therefore anti-Iran) countries in the Gulf. I mean I get it's oil and you have to keep the American driver happy, but wtf, not all levels of compromise and lack of diplomatic vision are acceptable.
Either way, back to Iran. There will be no war whatsoever.
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DarthWendy posted...

Either way, back to Iran. There will be no war whatsoever.

So they'll come to the bargaining table then? Or let their country crumble to dust under the sanctions?
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REMercsChamp posted...

Well we'll see what Bolton and the others have to say about that then

Yay, more war! More death and destruction and trillions wasted. And y'all will continue to think the Democrats are the ones bankrupting this country.
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DarthWendy posted...

I mean I get it's oil and you have to keep the American driver happy,

And the best(worst?) part is we don't even need their oil anymore.
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mustachedmystic posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Well we'll see what Bolton and the others have to say about that then

Yay, more war! More death and destruction and trillions wasted. And y'all will continue to think the Democrats are the ones bankrupting this country.

Iran can't have nuclear weapons, plain and simple
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REMercsChamp posted...

Iran can't have nuclear weapons, plain and simple

I don't want them to have nukes either. But if they want them badly enough, nothing short of destroying them will stop it.
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REMercsChamp posted...

DarthWendy posted...

Either way, back to Iran. There will be no war whatsoever.

So they'll come to the bargaining table then? Or let their country crumble to dust under the sanctions?

I don't know. At this point I think nobody can tell the outcome. I'm sure that you're aware, and that goes for any crisis, not just this one, that the pompous muscle-flexing aimed at the general public, and the more rational under the table negociations are two different things. I guess the wisest thing is to wait and see.
It is true however that, while imperfect, the Vienna Agreement (the JCPoA) was at least bringing Iran to the negociations table, and keeping them well under the threshold of military uranium enrichment. It was a good thing. In its idiocy, the current US diplomacy (which, as a side note, seems unable to free itself from the shackles of the Brzezinski doctrine, which sadly still seems to guide the entire US foreign affairs stance) chose the worst possible moment to break it.
We had an imperfect, but at least mostly functional agreement, which, no matter how much Bolton lies about it, was respected by Iran. Now the US threw it out the window, so of course Iran will feel tempted to do the same. It's never simple, but stupidity and lack of a vision in diplomatic affairs always tends to have dire consequences for all parties.
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Hanky_Bannister posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

DeadBankerDream posted...

Imagine a country striking a deal with another country, then revoking the deal, then punishing said country in the hopes that they will come crawling to strike a worse deal for themselves.

Imagine the "mastermind" behind this nonsense priding himself on his ability to make deals.

I don't think I've ever heard a republican talking head say anything that was actually wrong with Obama's Iran deal. All I ever heard was it was a "terrible deal. Bigly terrible" and that it "didn't work"

Let's not kid ourselves - the old deal lets Iran slowly creep up to building nuclear weapons

Explain yourself

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REMercsChamp posted...

There weren't any additional sanctions until Iran started attacking tankers, drones etc

Do we have any proof of this yet, or is it still only trump and the US saying this with the rest of the fucking world in disagreement.
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loafy013 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

There weren't any additional sanctions until Iran started attacking tankers, drones etc

Do we have any proof of this yet, or is it still only trump and the US saying this with the rest of the fucking world in disagreement.

Thre is no actual proof of it, it's exactly that, the US diplomacy (there are other interests at work, not specifically Trump, Trump just jumps on the neo-con diplomacy bandwagon) just claiming this.

It would be highly counter-productive for Iran to do such a thing, and they'd have 0 interest in doing so. It's still unclear what was at work there, but there is no actual proof. If Iran wants to pull a gigantic, yet perfectly within their sovereign prerogatives, dick move and give a monumental short-term finger to the West, all they have to do is close down the Ormuz straight for a week. Attacking tankers openly is nonsensical, from their position.
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TheGreatGeno326 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Again, its weird how obsessed certain non-americans are with American politics on CE

@Jaghave
@DarthWendy
And REMercs

You think this doesn't affect anyone other than Americans rofl

When you arent posting about NEETs youre shilling hard for Trump

This isn't a Trump Policy it a Nixon Policy that Trump honoring our commitment of the Petro Dollar Deal.
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Jaghave posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

TheGreatGeno326 posted...

Again, its weird how obsessed certain non-americans are with American politics on CE

@Jaghave
@DarthWendy
And REMercs

You think this doesn't affect anyone other than Americans rofl

When you arent posting about NEETs youre shilling hard for Trump

This isn't a Trump Policy it a Nixon Policy that Trump honoring our commitment of the Petro Dollar Deal.

Exactly. But since the degree of dependence to Saudi oil has drastically dropped, the agreement should be revised and thought over. Maintaining it as it is, at the cost of insane compromises, such as Yemen war crimes with US weapons - not casting the stone exclusively to the US, French weapons have blood on their barrels as well - and insane indulgence towards terrorism funding, are nothing short of mental and literally against long term US interests.
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