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josifrees 06/24/19 5:59:55 PM #51:	Women are mad men are getting tired of their bullshit and going furry --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:923789667] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>Women are mad men are getting tired of their bullshit and going furry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:04:51 PM #52:	lightwarrior78 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... lightwarrior78 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take. If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it. It's moved past live and let live. This post reeks of why is there no straight pride. Nothing is being taken away from you. Just fucking accept people who arent hurting you. Actually is was a moment of seeing how often progressive tactics line up with habbits of an emotional abuser. Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one. Lashing out at disagreement Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being Public humiliation purposeful pushing of buttons blaming you for their bad behavior demanding respect I looked in the mirror, asked what we've become and had to take a step back and see that there's a line crossed in trying to get what you think you deserve that once crossed drives people away. If we don't like being dehumanized, they won't respond any better to it. Stop dehumanizing people for dehumanizing people is such a weird take. People spouting shitty views getting told that theyre being shitty for what they say and do is not the same as people trying to live getting told that theyre being shitty for existing. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923789879] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.</quote> If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it. It's moved past live and let live.</quote> This post reeks of why is there no straight pride. Nothing is being taken away from you. Just fucking accept people who arent hurting you.</quote> Actually is was a moment of seeing how often progressive tactics line up with habbits of an emotional abuser. Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one. Lashing out at disagreement Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being Public humiliation purposeful pushing of buttons blaming you for their bad behavior demanding respect I looked in the mirror, asked what we've become and had to take a step back and see that there's a line crossed in trying to get what you think you deserve that once crossed drives people away. If we don't like being dehumanized, they won't respond any better to it.</quote> Stop dehumanizing people for dehumanizing people is such a weird take. People spouting shitty views getting told that theyre being shitty for what they say and do is not the same as people trying to live getting told that theyre being shitty for existing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:05:33 PM #53:	As a bisexual person, I find myself increasingly annoyed with other LGBT people. Everyone is so political now. People are so convinced that they are on the right side of history that they can't engage in a real discussion. It's all about tossing insults now. Many people ITT are reacting so strongly and very blatantly disregarding any sort of nuance Such as .... "LGBT rights are fine, but I don't like this being aggressively shoved in my face" "Oh so you think we should be treated like sub human trash?" " I didn't say that, but ok" Personally, I get very annoyed how over represented the ultra gay type (queen type gay dudes or butch women) are represented compared to the more traditional gender expression type gay people. It feels like more and more TV shows and movies will have a gay dude character that constantly screams "yyyyyaaaaasssss queen." It's such an annoying stereotype, but they sell this as progressive. I've always felt weird around gay people, because I don't really fit that stereotyped mold. I've gotten backlash from gay people for appearing too masculine. I say forget them. Nothing about being LGBT makes you less prone to being judgmental or discriminatory. Some of the most judgmental and discriminatory people I've met have been LGBT. When you realize they are just like everybody else then they don't look so different. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923789914] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>As a bisexual person, I find myself increasingly annoyed with other LGBT people. Everyone is so political now. People are so convinced that they are on the right side of history that they can't engage in a real discussion. It's all about tossing insults now. Many people ITT are reacting so strongly and very blatantly disregarding any sort of nuance Such as .... "LGBT rights are fine, but I don't like this being aggressively shoved in my face" "Oh so you think we should be treated like sub human trash?" " I didn't say that, but ok" Personally, I get very annoyed how over represented the ultra gay type (queen type gay dudes or butch women) are represented compared to the more traditional gender expression type gay people. It feels like more and more TV shows and movies will have a gay dude character that constantly screams "yyyyyaaaaasssss queen." It's such an annoying stereotype, but they sell this as progressive. I've always felt weird around gay people, because I don't really fit that stereotyped mold. I've gotten backlash from gay people for appearing too masculine. I say forget them. Nothing about being LGBT makes you less prone to being judgmental or discriminatory. Some of the most judgmental and discriminatory people I've met have been LGBT. When you realize they are just like everybody else then they don't look so different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lightwarrior78 06/24/19 6:07:15 PM #54:	vocedelmorte posted... ThanksUglyGod posted... lightwarrior78 posted... Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one. Lashing out at disagreement Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being Public humiliation purposeful pushing of buttons blaming you for their bad behavior demanding respect Not to pile on, but you could say these exact same things about conservative tactics. So we should be like conservatives then.? Beat me to it. The deflection is always a bit telling from the supposed "adults" in the room. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:923789988] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>vocedelmorte posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThanksUglyGod posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote>Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one. Lashing out at disagreement Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being Public humiliation purposeful pushing of buttons blaming you for their bad behavior demanding respect</quote> Not to pile on, but you could say these exact same things about conservative tactics.</quote> So we should be like conservatives then.?</quote> Beat me to it. The deflection is always a bit telling from the supposed "adults" in the room.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 06/24/19 6:07:19 PM #55:	in general I'm both very surprised and kinda sad at how many people are not accepting of LGBTQ. Unless you're making policies for a business or something (which I doubt many people on CE are, no offense meant), acceptance in your day to day life is pretty simple. Just... treat people with kindness, respect and sincerity, either listen to what they say or politely excuse yourself from conversations if you're not interested in them, and don't act like you know more about someone you just met (or never met!) than they do themselves. These should be basics of any interaction, really. LGBTQ or not. people not having these sorts of things down is baffling you don't need to go out to protests on their behalf and join in activism or anything, just don't be a jerk --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:923789991] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>in general I'm both very surprised and kinda sad at how many people are not accepting of LGBTQ. Unless you're making policies for a business or something (which I doubt many people on CE are, no offense meant), acceptance in your day to day life is pretty simple. Just... treat people with kindness, respect and sincerity, either listen to what they say or politely excuse yourself from conversations if you're not interested in them, and don't act like you know more about someone you just met (or never met!) than they do themselves. These should be basics of any interaction, really. LGBTQ or not. people not having these sorts of things down is baffling you don't need to go out to protests on their behalf and join in activism or anything, just don't be a jerk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:08:08 PM #56:	If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923790022] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/24/19 6:09:46 PM #57:	God what a joke country. What on earth is wrong with being lgbtq --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923790087] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>God what a joke country. What on earth is wrong with being lgbtq</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:10:02 PM #58:	King_Hellebuyck posted... lightwarrior78 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... lightwarrior78 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take. If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it. It's moved past live and let live. This post reeks of why is there no straight pride. Nothing is being taken away from you. Just fucking accept people who arent hurting you. Actually is was a moment of seeing how often progressive tactics line up with habbits of an emotional abuser. Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one. Lashing out at disagreement Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being Public humiliation purposeful pushing of buttons blaming you for their bad behavior demanding respect I looked in the mirror, asked what we've become and had to take a step back and see that there's a line crossed in trying to get what you think you deserve that once crossed drives people away. If we don't like being dehumanized, they won't respond any better to it. Stop dehumanizing people for dehumanizing people is such a weird take. People spouting shitty views getting told that theyre being shitty for what they say and do is not the same as people trying to live getting told that theyre being shitty for existing. There is a way to not tell them that they are being awful people to their face. You can educate people without it turning into a shouting match. If you dehumanize people who you felt dehumanized you then you're only making a bigger fire. Sometimes being just a tad bit tolerant of views you find to be awful can help those people move beyond those views in the future. There is a difference between calmly asserting yourself and shouting at someone for being a bigot. I'm not sure why anyone would think the latter really improves anything. Name calling, even correct name calling, typically doesn't get you too far. Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790100] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lightwarrior78 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If the left didnt say dont hate these people, everything would be a whole lot better is a fucking stupid take.</quote> If that's where it stopped we wouldn't have the problem. It's moved into demanding representation in everything and complaining if something is too hetero normative. Adding new genders and pronouns and being so hard line about it people get fearful of what will happen if they misgender someone also isn't winning people over either. Nor is trying to make examples of any business the express their religious belief to not approve of it. It's moved past live and let live.</quote> This post reeks of why is there no straight pride. Nothing is being taken away from you. Just fucking accept people who arent hurting you.</quote> Actually is was a moment of seeing how often progressive tactics line up with habbits of an emotional abuser. Disregard of the feelings and fears of another is a big one. Lashing out at disagreement Making demands without regard to others wishes or well being Public humiliation purposeful pushing of buttons blaming you for their bad behavior demanding respect I looked in the mirror, asked what we've become and had to take a step back and see that there's a line crossed in trying to get what you think you deserve that once crossed drives people away. If we don't like being dehumanized, they won't respond any better to it.</quote> Stop dehumanizing people for dehumanizing people is such a weird take. People spouting shitty views getting told that theyre being shitty for what they say and do is not the same as people trying to live getting told that theyre being shitty for existing.</quote> There is a way to not tell them that they are being awful people to their face. You can educate people without it turning into a shouting match. If you dehumanize people who you felt dehumanized you then you're only making a bigger fire. Sometimes being just a tad bit tolerant of views you find to be awful can help those people move beyond those views in the future. There is a difference between calmly asserting yourself and shouting at someone for being a bigot. I'm not sure why anyone would think the latter really improves anything. Name calling, even correct name calling, typically doesn't get you too far. Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vocedelmorte 06/24/19 6:10:42 PM #59:	This guy gets it <cite>vocedelmorte posted [p:923790126] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>This guy gets it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:11:15 PM #60:	There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923790144] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/24/19 6:12:08 PM #61:	TommyG663513 posted... Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical. Oh for the love of christ --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923790189] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote> Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical.</quote> Oh for the love of christ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 06/24/19 6:13:01 PM #62:	Don't waste your time, TommyG. CE lacks the capacity for nuanced discussion on an issue. You're either right or wrong. It is an exercise in futility as seen from the pile of shit rapidly filling up this topic. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDb6eNUPScU <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:923790216] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>Don't waste your time, TommyG. CE lacks the capacity for nuanced discussion on an issue. You're either right or wrong. It is an exercise in futility as seen from the pile of shit rapidly filling up this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 06/24/19 6:13:20 PM #63:	Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical. Oh for the love of christ TOTALLY RADICAL, DUDE!!! --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:923790229] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote> Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical.</quote> Oh for the love of christ</quote> TOTALLY RADICAL, DUDE!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:14:33 PM #64:	King_Hellebuyck posted... If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790279] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote> And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:15:21 PM #65:	Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical. Oh for the love of christ Anything thoughtful to contribute? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790310] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote> Don't respond to bigotry by becoming a radical.</quote> Oh for the love of christ</quote> Anything thoughtful to contribute?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/24/19 6:15:41 PM #66:	TommyG663513 posted... And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? "Just take the abuse" --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923790327] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away?</quote> "Just take the abuse"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:16:24 PM #67:	TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express. Fuck that. Fuck being polite so that assholes dont feel as stupid when theyre assholes. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923790355] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote> And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express.</quote> Fuck that. Fuck being polite so that assholes dont feel as stupid when theyre assholes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:18:50 PM #68:	King_Hellebuyck posted... There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same. I never said it was. How did you manage to get that from what I said? Do you support yelling at people and calling them bigots to their faces? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790449] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same.</quote> I never said it was. How did you manage to get that from what I said? Do you support yelling at people and calling them bigots to their faces?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:19:49 PM #69:	King_Hellebuyck posted... TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express. Fuck that. Fuck being polite so that assholes dont feel as stupid when theyre assholes. So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790491] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote> And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express.</quote> Fuck that. Fuck being polite so that assholes dont feel as stupid when theyre assholes.</quote> So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/24/19 6:20:59 PM #70:	TommyG663513 posted... So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that? Why should anyone give a shit what you think wrt to this matter --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923790532] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote> So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that?</quote> Why should anyone give a shit what you think wrt to this matter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:21:19 PM #71:	TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same. I never said it was. How did you manage to get that from what I said? Do you support yelling at people and calling them bigots to their faces? Nothing Ive said has been radical at all and yet you started using that as an insult. I support fighting back against anyone being an asshole for no reason, whether it means standing up to them in the street or boycotting their business. I dont support sitting around letting LGBTQ suffer because others dont want to rock the boat. I dont support civility over equality. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923790543] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same.</quote> I never said it was. How did you manage to get that from what I said? Do you support yelling at people and calling them bigots to their faces?</quote> Nothing Ive said has been radical at all and yet you started using that as an insult. I support fighting back against anyone being an asshole for no reason, whether it means standing up to them in the street or boycotting their business. I dont support sitting around letting LGBTQ suffer because others dont want to rock the boat. I dont support civility over equality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:21:42 PM #72:	Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? "Just take the abuse" Walking away is different from taking abuse. If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790561] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away?</quote> "Just take the abuse"</quote> Walking away is different from taking abuse. If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:21:48 PM #73:	TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express. Fuck that. Fuck being polite so that assholes dont feel as stupid when theyre assholes. So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that? King_Hellebuyck posted... If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923790565] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote> And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express.</quote> Fuck that. Fuck being polite so that assholes dont feel as stupid when theyre assholes.</quote> So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that?</quote> <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/24/19 6:22:41 PM #74:	TommyG663513 posted... If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance. You stand up for yourself. Passivity rewards bigotry --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923790605] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance.</quote> You stand up for yourself. Passivity rewards bigotry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:26:19 PM #75:	King_Hellebuyck posted... TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same. I never said it was. How did you manage to get that from what I said? Do you support yelling at people and calling them bigots to their faces? Nothing Ive said has been radical at all and yet you started using that as an insult. I support fighting back against anyone being an asshole for no reason, whether it means standing up to them in the street or boycotting their business. I dont support sitting around letting LGBTQ suffer because others dont want to rock the boat. I dont support civility over equality. People who are radical typically don't identify as such. You come off extremely intense about the issue. Relax dude. We have been winning the culture wars. When you fight back so hard then you get push back. Sometimes you need to accept someone else's wrongness for the health of society to just get along. Could you have a calm dinner with an anti LGBT person without shouting at them assuming they do the same? Can you put on an air of civility without getting triggered? Your tendency to use the word asshole makes me think you wouldn't be able to do that. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790734] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>There is nothing radical about accepting LGBTQ people and expecting others to do the same.</quote> I never said it was. How did you manage to get that from what I said? Do you support yelling at people and calling them bigots to their faces?</quote> Nothing Ive said has been radical at all and yet you started using that as an insult. I support fighting back against anyone being an asshole for no reason, whether it means standing up to them in the street or boycotting their business. I dont support sitting around letting LGBTQ suffer because others dont want to rock the boat. I dont support civility over equality.</quote> People who are radical typically don't identify as such. You come off extremely intense about the issue. Relax dude. We have been winning the culture wars. When you fight back so hard then you get push back. Sometimes you need to accept someone else's wrongness for the health of society to just get along. Could you have a calm dinner with an anti LGBT person without shouting at them assuming they do the same? Can you put on an air of civility without getting triggered? Your tendency to use the word asshole makes me think you wouldn't be able to do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/24/19 6:27:34 PM #76:	Alright have fun with him, shock. I can't believe he's being real rn --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923790790] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>Alright have fun with him, shock. I can't believe he's being real rn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 06/24/19 6:28:06 PM #77:	Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that? Why should anyone give a shit what you think wrt to this matter Clearly you do, because you keep responding. No need for you to be so aggressive. I am LGBT. I'm very much on the side of equality. All I' saying is don't stoop to their level. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:923790812] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote> So you don't at all think you sound like one of them when you talk like that?</quote> Why should anyone give a shit what you think wrt to this matter</quote> Clearly you do, because you keep responding. No need for you to be so aggressive. I am LGBT. I'm very much on the side of equality. All I' saying is don't stoop to their level.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vocedelmorte 06/24/19 6:30:30 PM #78:	Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? "Just take the abuse" Or you can say shut the fuck up and move on without taking it personally. Cause you not gonna fix their mindset <cite>vocedelmorte posted [p:923790899] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away?</quote> "Just take the abuse"</quote> Or you can say shut the fuck up and move on without taking it personally. Cause you not gonna fix their mindset</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/24/19 6:31:45 PM #79:	Pukelid posted... Alright have fun with him, shock. I can't believe he's being real rn Yeah Im not convinced he is --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923790941] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote>Alright have fun with him, shock. I can't believe he's being real rn</quote> Yeah Im not convinced he is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/24/19 6:31:53 PM #80:	People can react how they want to react to abuse. It's not up to you to tell them what to do or how to feel. Especially if it's something you don't ever have to experience. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:923790948] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>People can react how they want to react to abuse. It's not up to you to tell them what to do or how to feel. Especially if it's something you don't ever have to experience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 06/24/19 6:32:44 PM #81:	vocedelmorte posted... Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? "Just take the abuse" Or you can say shut the fuck up and move on without taking it personally. Cause you not gonna fix their mindset This is the same kind of horseshit that Martin Luther King was talking about in his speech about white moderates being the problem. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:923790986] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>vocedelmorte posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away?</quote> "Just take the abuse"</quote> Or you can say shut the fuck up and move on without taking it personally. Cause you not gonna fix their mindset</quote> This is the same kind of horseshit that Martin Luther King was talking about in his speech about white moderates being the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/24/19 6:33:24 PM #82:	This is expected, but not because of the "FUCKING SJW'S TOOK IT TOO FAR" or "THE FUCKING T'S ARE TO BLAME WITH THEIR MENTAL ILLNESSES!" bullshit argument that's being bandied about. The fact is that acceptance of LGBTQ people went through a massive uptick during like, 2010-2015ish, and there was always going to be an inevitable fall. But it's the gains made from prior to the push that is to be embraced and recognized. We're a hell of a lot further along in acceptance than we were in, say, 2002, and I feel that a lot of younger 20 somethings don't recognize that reality. It'll inevitably swing back towards a larger number than ever before. That's the thing with progress, no matter how hard you try, you can't stop momentum. --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923791011] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>This is expected, but not because of the "FUCKING SJW'S TOOK IT TOO FAR" or "THE FUCKING T'S ARE TO BLAME WITH THEIR MENTAL ILLNESSES!" bullshit argument that's being bandied about. The fact is that acceptance of LGBTQ people went through a massive uptick during like, 2010-2015ish, and there was always going to be an inevitable fall. But it's the gains made from prior to the push that is to be embraced and recognized. We're a hell of a lot further along in acceptance than we were in, say, 2002, and I feel that a lot of younger 20 somethings don't recognize that reality. It'll inevitably swing back towards a larger number than ever before. That's the thing with progress, no matter how hard you try, you can't stop momentum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mecha Sonic 06/24/19 6:34:23 PM #83:	the anti-SJW bigots are to blame --- https://imgur.com/iMNC6RU <cite>Mecha Sonic posted [p:923791051] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>the anti-SJW bigots are to blame</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow20201 06/24/19 6:43:30 PM #85:	The militant and aggressive stances only cause people to react defensively, further entrenching them in the opposite beliefs, even if they were on the same side originally. I can't remember the name for that psychological phenomenon but I believe it is relevant to this discussion. Extremism breeds division. --- czzzzzzzzzz[]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ 'Sir we are surrounded!' 'Excellent, then we can attack in any direction.' <cite>Shadow20201 posted [p:923791418] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>The militant and aggressive stances only cause people to react defensively, further entrenching them in the opposite beliefs, even if they were on the same side originally. I can't remember the name for that psychological phenomenon but I believe it is relevant to this discussion. Extremism breeds division.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 06/24/19 6:44:16 PM #86:	Pukelid posted... TommyG663513 posted... If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance. You stand up for yourself. Passivity rewards bigotry This. Makes me wonder if there's an "Uncle Tom" equivalent for LGBT folks who take bigotry with a smile. --- Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra! <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:923791442] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote>If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance.</quote> You stand up for yourself. Passivity rewards bigotry</quote> This. Makes me wonder if there's an "Uncle Tom" equivalent for LGBT folks who take bigotry with a smile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 06/24/19 6:46:56 PM #87:	For things like this I find the LGBT+ label rather worthless. What are these people having issue with here? Is it the hot lesbians or the hot trans people? --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:923791562] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>For things like this I find the LGBT+ label rather worthless. What are these people having issue with here? Is it the hot lesbians or the hot trans people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/24/19 6:48:47 PM #88:	totalnerdken posted... Completely ignoring that too many of the left are extremely violent (yes, more violent then the right) Wasn't there a mass shooting in a gay nightclub in America a few years ago? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:923791633] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>totalnerdken posted...</cite> <quote>Completely ignoring that too many of the left are extremely violent (yes, more violent then the right)</quote> Wasn't there a mass shooting in a gay nightclub in America a few years ago?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lil_Bit83 06/24/19 6:49:05 PM #90:	TommyG663513 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you. And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express. Yeah no. Trying to take the high road doesn't work. Bullies see someone walking away and they either get it in their brain that they can bully more because they perceive that person to be weak, or they get annoyed and try harder to invoke a reaction. Besides what about the bigots who take it too far and get violent? Try to walk away from that. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:923791651] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>TommyG663513 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>If you cant tell the difference between lashing out at someone for their beliefs and lashing out at someone for their sexual or gender identity then I dont know how to talk to you.</quote> And you think someone lashing out at you over being LGBT justifies lashing right back? Why not just walk away? The person who lashes out at LGBT people for being LGBT is very much wrong, but lashing out right back isn't exactly correct. It is a wrong, but not the or an equal wrong as the anti LGBT lashing out. It still qualifies as wrong. Experiencing the negative side of bigotry doesn't remove you from any civility. You can still hold yourself to a standard beyond the ugliness other people express.</quote> Yeah no. Trying to take the high road doesn't work. Bullies see someone walking away and they either get it in their brain that they can bully more because they perceive that person to be weak, or they get annoyed and try harder to invoke a reaction. Besides what about the bigots who take it too far and get violent? Try to walk away from that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 06/24/19 6:55:34 PM #92:	totalnerdken posted... LGBT acceptance is going down the drain because too many leftists are crazy. Fuck, even a lot of the people who should be part of the LGBT group are starting to reject it because of too many crazy leftists. It'll still win out in the end. You can't stop progress and acceptance --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923791913] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>totalnerdken posted...</cite> <quote>LGBT acceptance is going down the drain because too many leftists are crazy. Fuck, even a lot of the people who should be part of the LGBT group are starting to reject it because of too many crazy leftists. </quote> It'll still win out in the end. You can't stop progress and acceptance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 06/24/19 6:57:09 PM #93:	The Great Muta 22 posted... totalnerdken posted... LGBT acceptance is going down the drain because too many leftists are crazy. Fuck, even a lot of the people who should be part of the LGBT group are starting to reject it because of too many crazy leftists. It'll still win out in the end. You can't stop progress and acceptance LGBTQ may very well lose if the far left isn't stopped. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:923791982] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>totalnerdken posted...</cite> <quote>LGBT acceptance is going down the drain because too many leftists are crazy. Fuck, even a lot of the people who should be part of the LGBT group are starting to reject it because of too many crazy leftists. </quote> It'll still win out in the end. You can't stop progress and acceptance</quote> LGBTQ may very well lose if the far left isn't stopped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 06/24/19 6:57:48 PM #94:	Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:923792012] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/24/19 7:00:21 PM #95:	With the knowledge that erosion in acceptance was primarily happening among younger males, GLAAD launched a program dedicated to working with the video game industry on LGBTQ inclusion, to bring LGBTQ characters and stories to a world where male audiences were consuming content. lmao expect these numbers to decline further with each year. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say 'Golly gee, I can't do that" Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:923792096] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><quote>With the knowledge that erosion in acceptance was primarily happening among younger males, GLAAD launched a program dedicated to working with the video game industry on LGBTQ inclusion, to bring LGBTQ characters and stories to a world where male audiences were consuming content. </quote> lmao expect these numbers to decline further with each year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/24/19 7:00:30 PM #96:	DeadBankerDream posted... Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors. "It's always someone else's fault" may as well be the slogan of every conservative movement in the western world --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923792102] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote>Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors.</quote> "It's always someone else's fault" may as well be the slogan of every conservative movement in the western world</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mecha Sonic 06/24/19 7:01:20 PM #97:	the answer to right wing extremism isn't moderation, it's left wing counter-extremism --- https://imgur.com/iMNC6RU <cite>Mecha Sonic posted [p:923792134] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote>the answer to right wing extremism isn't moderation, it's left wing counter-extremism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 06/24/19 7:01:54 PM #99:	totalnerdken posted... wtf are you talking about? MLK FREQUENTLY took the high road. What do we have now? Equal rights. Finally, he took direct aim at the clergymens pleas for order. The civil rights movements greatest obstacle, he wrote, was not the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who constantly says, I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cant agree with your methods of direct action. Hop103 posted... LGBTQ may very well lose if the far left isn't stopped What do you mean by 'lose' --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:923792158] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>totalnerdken posted...</cite> <quote>wtf are you talking about? MLK FREQUENTLY took the high road. What do we have now? Equal rights. </quote> <quote>Finally, he took direct aim at the clergymens pleas for order. The civil rights movements greatest obstacle, he wrote, was not the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who constantly says, I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cant agree with your methods of direct action.</quote> <cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote>LGBTQ may very well lose if the far left isn't stopped</quote> What do you mean by 'lose'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/24/19 7:02:48 PM #100:	Hop103 posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... totalnerdken posted... LGBT acceptance is going down the drain because too many leftists are crazy. Fuck, even a lot of the people who should be part of the LGBT group are starting to reject it because of too many crazy leftists. It'll still win out in the end. You can't stop progress and acceptance LGBTQ may very well lose if the far left isn't stopped. Nah, that's not gonna happen --- https://youtu.be/7Zb_Ma7fJNw Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn churches <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:923792196] in Survey Sho... [t:77815959]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>totalnerdken posted...</cite> <quote>LGBT acceptance is going down the drain because too many leftists are crazy. Fuck, even a lot of the people who should be part of the LGBT group are starting to reject it because of too many crazy leftists. </quote> It'll still win out in the end. You can't stop progress and acceptance</quote> LGBTQ may very well lose if the far left isn't stopped.</quote> Nah, that's not gonna happen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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