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gamer167
06/24/19 10:30:47 PM
#202:


Trumps and the far right are winning guys, the left is crumbling!
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booboy
06/24/19 10:39:26 PM
#203:


The Admiral posted...
I'd be interested to see what this survey showed if the LGB group was separate from the TQ group.


Place the B with the TQ for more accuracy.
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Nanoman
06/24/19 10:59:11 PM
#204:


It's not really surprising considering shit like this happens now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZtOz-KKMhI" data-time="


Imagine being related to that.
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The Admiral
06/24/19 11:01:59 PM
#205:


Nanoman posted...

It's not just that stuff like this happens, it's that numerous people, including this woman herself, think that behavior was justified. I remember the original topic on CE, and a large number of the people in that thread thought this woman was in the right.

Seeing people defend violent behavior over incorrect pronouns doesn't garner sympathy or support for the T part of the acronym.
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Zodd3224
06/24/19 11:12:47 PM
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totalnerdken posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
I only ever hear this from conservatives, not LGBT people.

Wasn't that phrase coined by that trans person? I can't remember her full name but it was Riley something.


I'm sure it's been used by a leftist or two.

But it's mostly used as an excuse for people to say terrible things about trans people while playing the victim.
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PleaseClap
06/24/19 11:13:26 PM
#208:


Zodd3224 posted...

But it's mostly used as an excuse for people to say terrible things about trans people while playing the victim.

I find it awfully hard to believe that somebody would do that...
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TommyG663513
06/24/19 11:14:50 PM
#209:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Pukelid posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance.

You stand up for yourself. Passivity rewards bigotry


This.

Makes me wonder if there's an "Uncle Tom" equivalent for LGBT folks who take bigotry with a smile.


No there is a big difference between not being extremely militant and being an uncle Tom.

There is plenty of grey area to go around.


Must have triggered your ass somethin' fierce if you thought that remark was mod-worthy.


If you're accusing me of modding you then your argument just isn't there.
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Hop103
06/24/19 11:18:34 PM
#210:


gamer167 posted...
Trumps and the far right are winning guys, the left is crumbling!


The far right are not winning, I don't consider being thrown in jail, prison, and stupidly exposing themselves, winning. It's more like the far left are crumbling because of themselves and their authoritarian and immoral behavior.
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Darmik
06/24/19 11:27:51 PM
#211:


Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 11:31:40 PM
#212:


Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

And what caused it ?
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Darmik
06/24/19 11:32:43 PM
#213:


vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

And what caused it ?


Something pretty major happened in 2016 that may have caused some sort of turn. I wonder what it could have been?
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Zodd3224
06/24/19 11:34:37 PM
#214:


Maybe they surveyed more people from the South and midwest than they did for the previous poll?
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TreyFlowers
06/24/19 11:36:23 PM
#215:


Darmik posted...
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)


So weird. I have no idea why anyone would be uncomfortable with anyone being LGBTQ.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 11:36:46 PM
#216:


Darmik posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

And what caused it ?


Something pretty major happened in 2016 that may have caused some sort of turn. I wonder what it could have been?

And who elected him? It's not like Trump came to power and magically turned people into homophobes
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 11:41:15 PM
#217:


vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

And what caused it ?


Something pretty major happened in 2016 that may have caused some sort of turn. I wonder what it could have been?

And who elected him? It's not like Trump came to power and magically turned people into homophobes


I'm sure the anti-LGBTQ rhetoric the president spouts that aren't based on any sort of fact didn't contribute anything.

/sarcasm
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Darmik
06/24/19 11:41:41 PM
#218:


vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

And what caused it ?


Something pretty major happened in 2016 that may have caused some sort of turn. I wonder what it could have been?

And who elected him? It's not like Trump came to power and magically turned people into homophobes


I never claimed that. But his support gained momentum and then his supporters also gained momentum. I'm sure if you looked up a bunch of alt-righters and conservatives on YouTube you'd probably see an uptick of support and followers since 2016 too. These people are targeting this exact age group.

Get a whole bunch of high level people talking shit about gay and trans people and they go on to influence people to think that they're bad. Funny how that works.

On top of that Trump has made constant moves to set back LGBTQ issues. Which wasn't a known entity back in 2016.
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gamerguy548
06/24/19 11:46:33 PM
#219:


This really is getting out of hand. These idiots need to quit forcing their values on everyone. Now i do know a few gay people, but they don't act all entitled like the rest. I hate to get religious but its all part of satan's great deception where everything that was once good is now wrong and vice versa
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Zodd3224
06/24/19 11:54:06 PM
#220:


gamerguy548 posted...
This really is getting out of hand. These idiots need to quit forcing their values on everyone. Now i do know a few gay people, but they don't act all entitled like the rest. I hate to get religious but its all part of satan's great deception where everything that was once good is now wrong and vice versa


LoL
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NinjaWarrior455
06/24/19 11:55:29 PM
#221:


Jesus christ this topic is a shitshow. Can't say I'm surprised to see CE blame the increase of homophobia on the LGBTQ community and not the actual people perpetrating the homophobia.
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 11:56:25 PM
#222:


gamerguy548 posted...
This really is getting out of hand. These idiots need to quit forcing their values on everyone. Now i do know a few gay people, but they don't act all entitled like the rest. I hate to get religious but its all part of satan's great deception where everything that was once good is now wrong and vice versa

Most people not trying to enforce their values on anyone, they just want to live their life like everyone else.
But since you mentioned religion, you can't deny that religious values are also enforced. Not everyone are interested in bible or crazy talk about satan
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averagejoel
06/24/19 11:59:57 PM
#223:


Zodd3224 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Squall28 posted...
I'm pretty sure the standards have changed. Back when I was in high school and college, supporting LGBTQ rights didn't mean much more than supporting gay marriage. Now if you're a man who doesn't want to date a trans person, you are transphobic.


I only ever hear this from conservatives, not LGBT people.


It gets posted by leftys on CE all the time.


Haven't seen it

people love to reduce the point to that because they don't know how to argue against the actual point
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Zodd3224
06/25/19 12:00:26 AM
#224:


One look at that "Satan's great deception" comment should show you the type of bullshit LGBT people still have to put up with in 2019. Yet the other side is the one that wants to cry about being force fed stuff, lmao
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The Great Muta 22
06/25/19 12:02:16 AM
#225:


The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Squall28 posted...
I'm pretty sure the standards have changed. Back when I was in high school and college, supporting LGBTQ rights didn't mean much more than supporting gay marriage. Now if you're a man who doesn't want to date a trans person, you are transphobic.


I only ever hear this from conservatives, not LGBT people.


It gets posted by leftys on CE all the time.


We need actual examples of your bullshit if you want to avoid getting banned again. I talked to important people about this

I didn't talk to anyone I just like mocking you
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epik_fail1
06/25/19 12:03:33 AM
#226:


Darmik posted...
vocedelmorte posted...
Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

And what caused it ?


Something pretty major happened in 2016 that may have caused some sort of turn. I wonder what it could have been?


Rightists love blaming everyone else, but themselves for their own actions. Their orange messiah is exactly like that. Why take responsability for what I do when I can blame everything on "the left"
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sktgamer_13dude
06/25/19 12:04:15 AM
#227:


I still dont understand how its someone elses fault that bigots are bigots.

Like, it just doesnt make sense.
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epik_fail1
06/25/19 12:04:34 AM
#228:


gamerguy548 posted...
This really is getting out of hand. These idiots need to quit forcing their values on everyone. Now i do know a few gay people, but they don't act all entitled like the rest. I hate to get religious but its all part of satan's great deception where everything that was once good is now wrong and vice versa


Please tell me this post is satire.

You can't be actually ne irrational enough to believe that shit.
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epik_fail1
06/25/19 12:08:40 AM
#229:


vocedelmorte posted...
gamerguy548 posted...
This really is getting out of hand. These idiots need to quit forcing their values on everyone. Now i do know a few gay people, but they don't act all entitled like the rest. I hate to get religious but its all part of satan's great deception where everything that was once good is now wrong and vice versa

Most people not trying to enforce their values on anyone, they just want to live their life like everyone else.
But since you mentioned religion, you can't deny that religious values are also enforced. Not everyone are interested in bible or crazy talk about satan


Lgbt people : please accept us
Homophobes : ugh stop forcing us to be lgbt it's ok to be straight I won't apologise for being straight, you and your sjw politically correct agenda
Lgbt people :... uh... what? We never asked you to apologise for being straight
Homophobes : if it wasn't for straight people, you would not exist!
Lgbt people : uh....ok, it's a good thing we never said we hate straight people
Homophobes : I order you to be straight because a book written by man told me so. Stop forcing us to be lgbt.

And then the never ending of generic whining "lgbt shoved down our throats pandering sjw agenda blablabla" gets repeated over and over again by people who hard "hard to offend"
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Squall28
06/25/19 12:12:25 AM
#230:


The Admiral posted...
Nanoman posted...

It's not just that stuff like this happens, it's that numerous people, including this woman herself, think that behavior was justified. I remember the original topic on CE, and a large number of the people in that thread thought this woman was in the right.

Seeing people defend violent behavior over incorrect pronouns doesn't garner sympathy or support for the T part of the acronym.


You don't have to look very far. We got an active topic now.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77816538

yeah the guy was a total jerk for doing that, but pushing the guy off-stage where he could've gotten seriously injured is overkill. And look at the response I got when I said we should win people over with reason. "wIn tHeM oVeR wItH deBaTe". The left has fallen very far from "when they go low, we go high."
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Key
06/25/19 12:13:32 AM
#231:


s0nicfan posted...
Driving the dilution of acceptance are young women whose overall comfort levels plunged from 64% in 2017 to 52% in 2018, says the survey conducted by The Harris Poll on behalf of LGBTQ advocacy group GLAAD.


I dunno, ask women.

Huh weird. I've never had a single young woman have a problem with me liking guys. Plenty of young dudes but never a girl. It's a big reason most of my friends are girls
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Zodd3224
06/25/19 12:18:43 AM
#232:


Squall28 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Nanoman posted...

It's not just that stuff like this happens, it's that numerous people, including this woman herself, think that behavior was justified. I remember the original topic on CE, and a large number of the people in that thread thought this woman was in the right.

Seeing people defend violent behavior over incorrect pronouns doesn't garner sympathy or support for the T part of the acronym.


You don't have to look very far. We got an active topic now.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77816538

yeah the guy was a total jerk for doing that, but pushing the guy off-stage where he could've gotten seriously injured is overkill. And look at the response I got when I said we should win people over with reason. "wIn tHeM oVeR wItH deBaTe". The left has fallen very far from "when they go low, we go high."


"We'll go low then give them crap for not going high"
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Darmik
06/25/19 12:21:27 AM
#233:


It's pretty ridiculous we still have people in here arguing it's the fault of the left when certain people still lose their minds when a gay person is in a Disney movie.

Even if you blame extremists you're still a bigot if that somehow makes you uncomfortable knowing someone who is gay or trans.
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Darmik
06/25/19 12:27:16 AM
#234:


Squall28 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Nanoman posted...

It's not just that stuff like this happens, it's that numerous people, including this woman herself, think that behavior was justified. I remember the original topic on CE, and a large number of the people in that thread thought this woman was in the right.

Seeing people defend violent behavior over incorrect pronouns doesn't garner sympathy or support for the T part of the acronym.


You don't have to look very far. We got an active topic now.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77816538

yeah the guy was a total jerk for doing that, but pushing the guy off-stage where he could've gotten seriously injured is overkill. And look at the response I got when I said we should win people over with reason. "wIn tHeM oVeR wItH deBaTe". The left has fallen very far from "when they go low, we go high."


Just want to make sure I'm following your logic.

So if someone interrupts a performance by jumping on the stage and being disruptive that singer should stop what they're doing and win them over with...a debate?

And if LGBTQ singers do this people won't care that their doctor is gay?

But yet I don't think this sort of criteria applies to almost anyone else who tried to crash the stage of a performer.

The guy wasn't even shoved hard. He was pushed with one hand and his ass fell off the stage. Probably because he was drunk.
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Squall28
06/25/19 12:28:48 AM
#235:


Zodd3224 posted...
"We'll go low then give them crap for not going high"


The appeal of the Democratic party at one point was that they were the party of reason. They were the ones who are supposed to be more educated and compassionate. It's more drink the kool-aid approach now. Their methodology is pretty much the same as the right at this point. Fear-mongering and tribalism. And I guess it's kind of working. The party may have drove some people like me away, but the people who stayed are ten times more rabid.
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Unsugarized_Foo
06/25/19 12:31:54 AM
#236:


I'm glad no one talks about this stuff to me in person
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Squall28
06/25/19 12:33:42 AM
#237:


Darmik posted...
Just want to make sure I'm following your logic.

So if someone interrupts a performance by jumping on the stage and being disruptive that singer should stop what they're doing and win them over with...a debate?


No they should ask him to leave, and if he won't listen, people should escort him off the stage. There's a reason why Martin Luther King is the heart of the civil rights movement, and not Malcom X. People at large are moved to defend the peaceful. If you see the "oppressed" flat out attacking people, it's a different story altogether.

And if LGBTQ singers do this people won't care that their doctor is gay?

But yet I don't think this sort of criteria applies to almost anyone else who tried to crash the stage of a performer.


Dude if any other performer pushed an audience off the stage, they'd be getting fucking sued and get put in jail. That is assault. He's lucky he didn't land on his head. He easily could've gotten a concussion from that or worse. The only reason a pass is given to the performer here is BECAUSE this can be framed as a social rights issue.
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Darmik
06/25/19 12:37:49 AM
#238:


Go jump on a strippers stage and come back to us with your gentle experience.

Or hell try that out in a metal concert.
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Squall28
06/25/19 12:41:29 AM
#239:


Darmik posted...
Go jump on a strippers stage and come back to us with your gentle experience.

Or hell try that out in a metal concert.


I'm not saying I'm going to get a gentle experience. I'm saying if I someone gets pushed off the stage and injured, that's a lawsuit and potentially jail time for the pusher.
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Darmik
06/25/19 12:47:31 AM
#240:


Okay? And that means people are less comfortable around gay and trans people why exactly?

Should we feel less comfortable around singers in general maybe?
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/10-concert-fights-caught-on-tape-245229/

Why is it that a drag queen shoving a belligerent dude impacts views of LGBTQ people but the belligerent dude doesn't have to represent anyone?
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Squall28
06/25/19 1:06:58 AM
#241:


Because that's the unfortunate fate one has when in a minority group. I'm Asian, 5% of the US population. And believe me, when just one of us acts up, we know that that shit is going to reflect poorly on all of us. The sample size is small so people will make judgments based on the very few they do see. That's why positive representation in media is so important to minorities.

Depending on where a person lives, their exposure to LGBT may be even less. When they don't know any of them personally, and all they see is bad news about that one person pushing someone off stage and injuring them, what do you think those people's opinion about the group would be? I know it's not fair, but that's just how human brains are wired.
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untrustful
06/25/19 1:17:10 AM
#242:


Why would young women have less acceptance toward lgbt? Maybe they view them as competition?
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Darmik
06/25/19 1:18:05 AM
#243:


Squall28 posted...
Because that's the unfortunate fate one has when in a minority group. I'm Asian, 5% of the US population. And believe me, when just one of us acts up, we know that that shit is going to reflect poorly on all of us. The sample size is small so people will make judgments based on the very few they do see. That's why positive representation in media is so important to minorities.

Depending on where a person lives, their exposure to LGBT may be even less. When they don't know any of them personally, and all they see is bad news about that one person pushing someone off stage and injuring them, what do you think those people's opinion about the group would be? I know it's not fair, but that's just how human brains are wired.


Is this story news or is it a video shared on Reddit that people are laughing about?
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PleaseClap
06/25/19 1:25:29 AM
#244:


Darmik posted...
Just to point out what the stats are saying;
When it comes to people aged 18-34 in this survey
- 36% would be uncomfortable to learn that a family member is LGBTQ (An increase of 12% from 2016)
- 33% would be uncomfortable for their child to be taught by a LGBTQ teacher (An increase of 8% since 2016)
- 34% would be uncomfortable to learn their doctor is LGBTQ (an increase of 12% since 2016)
- 39% would be uncomfortable to learn that their child has had a lesson on LGBTQ history in their school (an increase of 12% since 2016)

None of these have anything to do with people arguing over politics or people being too mean or having sex with trans people. It's about not feeling comfortable that important people in their life are LGBTQ.

But dude, look at this YouTube video
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Jerry_Hellyeah
06/25/19 2:42:35 AM
#245:


So, what right do LBGT groups not have?

People in America have no idea how nice they have it.
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StealthRock
06/25/19 3:16:39 AM
#246:


Squall28 posted...
Because that's the unfortunate fate one has when in a minority group. I'm Asian, 5% of the US population. And believe me, when just one of us acts up, we know that that shit is going to reflect poorly on all of us. The sample size is small so people will make judgments based on the very few they do see. That's why positive representation in media is so important to minorities.

Depending on where a person lives, their exposure to LGBT may be even less. When they don't know any of them personally, and all they see is bad news about that one person pushing someone off stage and injuring them, what do you think those people's opinion about the group would be? I know it's not fair, but that's just how human brains are wired.

Sorry but you sound too apologetic

Why would the actions of some random asian reflect on you at all?

Who cares what white people think
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0AbsoluteZero0
06/25/19 3:22:54 AM
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Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame. Some of this shit is just so ridiculous and extreme that its bound to cause pushback against LGBT as a whole.

It also doesnt help that the most noticeable and vocal members of the trans community tend to be like gunpla while the people who are actually reasonable and respectable get less attention.
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ThePrinceFish
06/25/19 3:25:53 AM
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I do wonder how different the numbers would be if they did the same polling with trans people separate from the LGB.
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Vita_Aeterna
06/25/19 3:26:16 AM
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Things are getting ridiculous and moving too fast because they keep adding more to bi/gay/trans stuff.

Seldom do radical ideas become widely accepted so fast.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
06/25/19 3:29:11 AM
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Remember, if someone LBGT doesnt agree with you, youre a bigot.
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Kyle1022
06/25/19 3:32:34 AM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
Things are getting ridiculous and moving too fast because they keep adding more to bi/gay/trans stuff.

Seldom do radical ideas become widely accepted so fast.

This. Look back at the early/mid 2010s, VERY few people had issues with gay marriage compared to years prior. It took decades to get to that point.

Then all at once, radicals started calling people bigots if they didn't use the right pronouns, didn't recognize 60+ genders, or didn't want to date a trans person.
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