Current Events > Battered wife turns in hubby's guns after he's arrested. She's charged w/ theft!

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https://news.yahoo.com/help-offered-woman-jailed-turning-123210860.html

Yeah, cuz we totally live in a matriarchal society...
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Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean it's not theft if you steal their stuff.

Grischnak posted...

Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean it's not theft if you steal their stuff.

it is not uncommon for people who are abused to be killed later by their abuser

What she did was self-preservation

and abusers shouldn't have guns anyway
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It's no different than selling his car for ten dollars under the hypothetical that he'll run her down in the street. Like, it sucks she's been abused, but that's just her being petty. If he's such a danger that he may kill her, then he'll just get another gun and do it. There's nothing of what she's done that can reasonably be called self-protection. Hopefully she fully leaves him and goes somewhere out of his reach if he's that much of a danger.

Grischnak posted...

Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean it's not theft if you steal their stuff.

what a horribly pathetic take
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Abusers shouldn't have guns fuck his rights
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Under the law, the cops can confiscate his guns due to his domestic violence.

The law gives the cops the rights to do this. It does not give her the right to break into his house and bring the guns to the police.
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Fair next, wait for the cops to do it or at most tell them about the guns
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spudger posted...

Grischnak posted...

Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean it's not theft if you steal their stuff.

what a horribly pathetic take

She literally broke into his apartment and stole his stuff. To not define that as theft is asinine. Not that it surprises me that you'd claim otherwise. The entire shtick of people like you is wanting laws to only apply to people you don't like. Me? I think laws should apply to everyone equally(even abuse victims). What an insane concept in 2019, I know. /inb4igetcalledanabuseapologist

Yeah, reading it, seems like that officer has issues. I would prefer if they didn't charge her and just explained why she can't do what she did, but I'm also fine with it ultimately being up to law enforcement to confiscate the weapons. Probably could allow for less discretion though
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I read this story yesterday. Her husband rammed his car into hers and ran her off the road after a divorce court appointment. I would be terrified for my life too. I would rather have risked jail to turn in his weapons than wait for him to try and finish the job. They also have children together and she must have been worried for their safety as well. Cops have the power to confiscate the weapons, true. But they dont always do so in time.

Nah if you prove yourself to be incapable of not being a violent crapbag you forfeit your right to own guns tbh

Technically illegal but she did nothing wrong
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Technically illegal but morally right
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and when she was killed by that psycho if she DIDNT take his guns, all the alt right idiots would say: "she should have had a gun!"
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nemu posted...

It's no different than selling his car for ten dollars under the hypothetical that he'll run her down in the street. Like, it sucks she's been abused, but that's just her being petty. If he's such a danger that he may kill her, then he'll just get another gun and do it. There's nothing of what she's done that can reasonably be called self-protection. Hopefully she fully leaves him and goes somewhere out of his reach if he's that much of a danger.

Posts like these are why I get hit with flaming so much.
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they're still married

his stuff is still legally her stuff

what's most egregious is he tried to kill her with a car and spent one day in jail; she complied with a police request and returned property that is still legally also hers and spent six in jail
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Sackgurl posted...

they're still married

his stuff is still legally her stuff

what's most egregious is he tried to kill her with a car and spent one day in jail; she complied with a police request and returned property that is still legally also hers and spent six in jail

The report says they are estranged. It was not her apartment. She had no right to enter it. The guy is a piece of shit but laws don't suddenly stop applying because you're dealing with a piece of shit. I don't think she should go to prison or anything but to pretend she didn't commit a crime when she absolutely did is just absurd.

DarthAragorn posted...

Fair next, wait for the cops to do it or at most tell them about the guns

*one week later she turns up dead and cops did nothing*

So fuckin stupid. He literally tried to hit her with his car already, the cops won't do anything about the weapons, and they arrest the victim for trying to protect herself from someone who has already tried to kill her. "bUt SheS a ThEiF!"
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Technically illegal but morally right

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I see the usual suspects are in here defending wife beaters.
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That's the law. Breaking and entering and stealing items isn't her role to play. She could've notified the police, told them about the weapons, and got a restraining order. Not enough? Move in with a friend or go elsewhere if you feel your life is in danger.

This isn't rocket science.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

So fuckin stupid. He literally tried to hit her with his car already, the cops won't do anything about the weapons, and they arrest the victim for trying to protect herself from someone who has already tried to kill her. "bUt SheS a ThEiF!"

This is CE and the victim is a woman. If the genders were reversed, you can bet responses would be different.

Grischnak posted...

Sackgurl posted...

they're still married

his stuff is still legally her stuff

what's most egregious is he tried to kill her with a car and spent one day in jail; she complied with a police request and returned property that is still legally also hers and spent six in jail

The report says they are estranged. It was not her apartment. She had no right to enter it. The guy is a piece of shit but laws don't suddenly stop applying because you're dealing with a piece of shit. I don't think she should go to prison or anything but to pretend she didn't commit a crime when she absolutely did is just absurd.

She did commit a crime, the issue I have with your take is that you framed it as him "being an asshole" as though a totally reasonable fear for her life is nothing more than an annoyance or inconvenience to her. That combined with the follow-up post about applying the law equally seem to be missing the point.
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Caution998 posted...

That's the law. Breaking and entering and stealing items isn't her role to play. She could've notified the police, told them about the weapons, and got a restraining order. Not enough? Move in with a friend or go elsewhere if you feel your life is in danger.

This isn't rocket science.

then the cops do nothing about the guns because of the 2nd amendment, he gets the restraining order and goes to find her. he doesn't seem like the most stable person and people in distressing situations like she is will do anything they can to save themselves. You're all looking at this from a safe place, no distress, no worries, everything is black and white...try to put yourself in her shoes.
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Well maybe she figured she WOULD get arrested, then? Maybe she figured the safest place she could be was behind bars?

Like Ben in RE2

;)

or in Monopoly. We all know the best strategy is to acquire your Monopoly and then chill in jail the rest of the game.
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Thief Breaks Into Man's Apartment, Is Arrested
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spudger posted...

and when she was killed by that psycho if she DIDNT take his guns, all the alt right idiots would say: "she should have had a gun!"

Sad part is some people non-ironically have this mentality.

Self-preservation isn't inherently alt-right. The dude already used his vehicle in attempts to intimidate/out right kill her, so he's already shown murderous intent. Not to be that guy, but even without a gun, car, or any tool whatsoever, if he wants to kill her, he's going to find a way. Unless a cop is with her 24/7, which I doubt they'd do for her.
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yes i get where she is coming from and yes she still broke the law.

the guy needs to be evaluated and charged accordingly if she feels things are getting that bad cause if she feels he will kill her, taking away his guns isnt going to stop him. couples have died from beatings, strangulation or stabbings (especially in heat of the moments situations) just as much from firearms and if its a man giving violence to a women then its not going to be immensely difficult to do so.

Came in expecting Florida, got Florida.
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Grischnak posted...

The report says they are estranged. It was not her apartment. She had no right to enter it. The guy is a piece of s*** but laws don't suddenly stop applying because you're dealing with a piece of s***. I don't think she should go to prison or anything but to pretend she didn't commit a crime when she absolutely did is just absurd.

there is no legal definition for 'estranged'

if they're legally married, the guns would fall under martial property laws

ie they are hers to surrender

i see no reason to ignore the legal technicalities of one set of property laws just to emphasize the legal technicalities of another
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Sackgurl posted...

Grischnak posted...

The report says they are estranged. It was not her apartment. She had no right to enter it. The guy is a piece of s*** but laws don't suddenly stop applying because you're dealing with a piece of s***. I don't think she should go to prison or anything but to pretend she didn't commit a crime when she absolutely did is just absurd.

there is no legal definition for 'estranged'

if they're legally married, the guns would fall under martial property laws

ie they are hers to surrender

i see no reason to ignore the legal technicalities of one set of property laws just to emphasize the legal technicalities of another

Legal separation is a thing.
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I'm guessing the changes will be dropped be thrown out of court.
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Just from seeing some of the responses in here, a lot of you guys are fucked up in the head.

I'll take my 3KL, sick fucks.
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DirkDiggles posted...

Legal separation is a thing.

not in florida

https://www.myfloridalaw.com/divorce/legal-separation-in-florida/
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LordRazziel posted...

I'm guessing the changes will be dropped be thrown out of court.

one would hope
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Yazarogi posted...

Just from seeing some of the responses in here, a lot of you guys are fucked up in the head.

The important thing is to feel superior to others without sharing your own opinion on the matter.

Shut the fuck up.
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Illegal or not she did the right thing. Fuck him.
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LordRazziel posted...

I'm guessing the changes will be dropped be thrown out of court.

Yeah seems like the sort of thing that even if convicted will come with a deliberate joke of a sentence
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EnragedSlith posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Technically illegal but morally right

For real. A psycho like that can't be trusted with a gun.
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Grischnak posted...

spudger posted...

Grischnak posted...

Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean it's not theft if you steal their stuff.

what a horribly pathetic take

She literally broke into his apartment and stole his stuff. To not define that as theft is asinine. Not that it surprises me that you'd claim otherwise. The entire shtick of people like you is wanting laws to only apply to people you don't like. Me? I think laws should apply to everyone equally(even abuse victims). What an insane concept in 2019, I know. /inb4igetcalledanabuseapologist

Ok, I wont call you an abuse apologist.
Ill call you a boot licker instead.
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nemu posted...

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i reported this post why the fuck is it still up??
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So fair next? Sounds like an opinion based article instead of sticking to the facts.
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if she was scared of him having guns she should have told the cops to confiscate his guns

you dont get to take the law into your own hands and steal other people's property because you feel unsafe
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Right Wingers:

Government should stay out of our lives! The individual must forge their own path!

Also,

What she did was illegal, even if it was to protect her and her childrens well-being. She should have informed the police force and not taken any personal action, because the governments laws override morality and her personal imperative to take direct action.
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I'm pretty liberal and I agree with her being arrested for this
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You can't just take someone's loaded guns as a civilian.
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