Poll of the Day > Gun Rights Loons want JUSTICE after a Woman gave her Husbands GUNS to POLICE!!!

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Full Throttle
06/24/19 8:03:22 PM
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Who's side are you on? - Results (5 votes)
Courtney. It was clear this man is a nutjob and needed his guns taken away
40% (2 votes)
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The Gun Rights Activists. Don't touch our guns. Ever. She broke the law and deserves prison
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32 y/o Courtney Irby from Florida was ARRESTED after she made an effort to protect herself from domestic violence after she took her estranged husband's guns to police when he was charged with domestic violence aggravated battery...but SHE was arrested for THEFT as gun rights freaks want HER to FRY in PRISON for it!!

Now the case has become a flashpoint in the debate over guns rights and victims safety and a Democratic Lawmaker and gun safety advocate is championing her case and warning the State Attorney to drop the charges as gun rights loons want her to fry!!

She's originally from South Carolina who spent 6 days in jail on charges of armed burglary and grand theft after she took his assault rifle and handgun from his apartment and gave them to police

Joseph Irby spent a day in jail at the time after he RAMMED his CAR into HER car after their June 14th divorce hearing

They had just finished a divorce on that day and got into an argument and Joseph went on a rage where he went into his car and intentionally rammed his car into hers by rear ending her and attempted to RUN HER OFF THE ROAD while she was on the phone with police!!

After his arrest, she petitioned a temporary injunction for protection that was granted and federal law prohibits under domestic violence restraining order from possessing firearms but it's up to local law enforcement to enforce it

She didn't believe Irby would do it himself so she took action.

Now Rep. Anna Eskamani has warned the attorney it would set a "scary precedent" if he prosecutes Courntey and tweeted it's "ridiculous" to arrest a woman in this kind of situation and cited research showing the presence of a gun in a domestic violence situation makes it 5 times more likely a woman will be murdered.

Courtney also has a children with him and feared her life was in danger if he still had those guns in the aftermath of the car crash.

Eskamani cited while federal law prohibits people on a domestic violence restraining order to hold a gun, law enforcement rarely have the tools to enforce it as loopholes are often gone around it

Now Gun Rights Activists want her to FRY and demand SHE get prison for stealing his guns in his apartment they used to share. They are now trolling the Democrat and her twitter calling her a "weak liberal" who is scared of guns

Courtney is getting support from Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter was killed in the Parkland Massacre who said Irby was an abused woman trying to protect herself from an abusive husband

When Joseph was arrested, he called his ex wife a MAN HATER according to report as her attorney argues she didn't commit theft since she didn't use the guns for herself

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The_tall_midget
06/24/19 8:07:51 PM
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Sounds more like another false accusation from a victim card player.

Also, do you like go out of your way to show how horribly biased you are? Your threads would sound far more credible without the idiotic biases.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/24/19 9:58:16 PM
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Even if it was legally the wrong thing to do, it did sound like the correct way for her to protect herself.
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JTekashiro
06/25/19 11:26:15 AM
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Big surprise that the angry posts are all from men. Seriously, only a fool would think what this woman did was a bad idea. There was a damn good chance those guns would be used to kill her. Unfortunately, she lives in America so the guy can easily get some new guns to murder her with.
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Nade Duck
06/25/19 11:40:20 AM
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chances are she's just as shit as he is.

gun culture is cancer, though, so i'm inclined to side with her anyway.
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Broken_Zeus
06/25/19 12:08:42 PM
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Full Throttle posted...

She's originally from South Carolina who spent 6 days in jail on charges of armed burglary and grand theft after she took his assault rifle and handgun from his apartment and gave them to police


Wait, so she broke into his home and stole his property? Sounds like the easiest "Fair, next" in a while. It's ridiculous that somebody would defend her theft.

Nichtcrawler X posted...
Even if it was legally the wrong thing to do, it did sound like the correct way for her to protect herself.

JTekashiro posted...
Big surprise that the angry posts are all from men. Seriously, only a fool would think what this woman did was a bad idea. There was a damn good chance those guns would be used to kill her. Unfortunately, she lives in America so the guy can easily get some new guns to murder her with.


Which is ridiculous nonsense. If I was afraid that somebody was going to kidnap somebody, that wouldn't permit me to lock them in my basement as a preemptive measure. We have a system of laws that deal with shit like this. She had countless options and she chose an illegal one. She deserves prison.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/25/19 12:11:30 PM
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Broken_Zeus posted...
Which is ridiculous nonsense. If I was afraid that somebody was going to kidnap somebody, that wouldn't permit me to lock them in my basement as a preemptive measure. We have a system of laws that deal with shit like this. She had countless options and she chose an illegal one. She deserves prison.


Unlawful detainment and handing over dangerous weapons to the police are not equivalent.
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Broken_Zeus
06/25/19 12:27:15 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
Which is ridiculous nonsense. If I was afraid that somebody was going to kidnap somebody, that wouldn't permit me to lock them in my basement as a preemptive measure. We have a system of laws that deal with shit like this. She had countless options and she chose an illegal one. She deserves prison.


Unlawful detainment and handing over dangerous weapons to the police are not equivalent.


...you mean to claim that unlawful detainment and breaking&entering, theft of a deadly weapon (which carries a pretty heavy prison sentence in many jurisdictions), and then unlawful dispensation are not equivalent. Which might be true to the extent that you're breaking far more laws in stealing guns, but that's really just nitpicking. Either way you're doing something that's illegal as shit and taking the law into your own hands rather than following legal channels.

Of course, even if she *had* kidnapped her ex, you'd have certain individuals once again coming up with convoluted justifications for a clearly illegal act. Not to mention that, unless she wanted to get thrown in prison for own safety, this would STILL be a stupid, counterproductive act because it involves further aggravating somebody who wishes you harm --- and that suggests that this was done less for "safety" concerns and more just due to vindictiveness.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/25/19 12:32:30 PM
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I agree, she definitely should not have done it alone, should have taken some police officers along.
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Final Fantasy2389
06/25/19 12:49:07 PM
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Technically, what she did was wrong but I don't think she needs to rot in prison for it.

Full Throttle posted...
They had just finished a divorce on that day and got into an argument and Joseph went on a rage where he went into his car and intentionally rammed his car into hers by rear ending her and attempted to RUN HER OFF THE ROAD while she was on the phone with police!!


Sounds like she had reasonable cause to fear for her life but that's when you go to police.
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Broken_Zeus
06/25/19 12:52:11 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
I agree, she definitely should not have done it alone, should have taken some police officers along.


She shouldn't have done it at all. That's the responsibility of the courts to make the determination and the cops to carry it out. Civilians shouldn't be tagging along for the ride. And if she legitimately feared for her safety, she wouldn't want to tag along for the ride.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/25/19 12:54:19 PM
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Exactly, she should have pleaded with the police to collect the guns.

Full Throttle posted...
They had just finished a divorce on that day and got into an argument and Joseph went on a rage where he went into his car and intentionally rammed his car into hers by rear ending her and attempted to RUN HER OFF THE ROAD while she was on the phone with police!!

After his arrest, she petitioned a temporary injunction for protection that was granted and federal law prohibits under domestic violence restraining order from possessing firearms but it's up to local law enforcement to enforce it


Those two, together with her pleas, should have been enough for the police to legally collect the guns and potentially never allow him to own guns ever again. Especially if they were as easily accessed as the story suggests.
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Keebs05
06/25/19 1:26:40 PM
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She's clearly in the wrong but rotting in prison is excessive.
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dioxxys
06/25/19 5:44:52 PM
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Keebs05 posted...
She's clearly in the wrong but rotting in prison is excessive.
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/25/19 6:23:03 PM
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Keebs05 posted...
She's clearly in the wrong but rotting in prison is excessive.


Because breaking & entering and theft of a weapon should be a fine or community service? LOL!
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Nichtcrawler X
06/25/19 7:27:59 PM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...


Because breaking & entering and theft of a weapon should be a fine or community service? LOL!


While having that weapon in a non-secured place is fine?
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/25/19 7:35:29 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...


Because breaking & entering and theft of a weapon should be a fine or community service? LOL!


While having that weapon in a non-secured place is fine?


1) You don't know what level of security it had. Even if he had a gun safe, she'd likely know the code. If it was hidden, she'd know where it was.

2) Unless there's a law specifically mandating that the weapon be properly secured, it's absolutely fine.

3) A B&E followed by theft is obviously a million times worse than not locking up a gun.
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adjl
06/25/19 7:48:52 PM
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Broken_Zeus posted...
...you mean to claim that unlawful detainment and breaking&entering, theft of a deadly weapon (which carries a pretty heavy prison sentence in many jurisdictions), and then unlawful dispensation are not equivalent.


Which would you rather be the victim of: being locked in a basement indefinitely or having your guns taken from you and handed over to the police (who, if they were indeed taken illegally, would return them to you in due course)?
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/25/19 8:00:24 PM
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adjl posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
...you mean to claim that unlawful detainment and breaking&entering, theft of a deadly weapon (which carries a pretty heavy prison sentence in many jurisdictions), and then unlawful dispensation are not equivalent.


Which would you rather be the victim of: being locked in a basement indefinitely or having your guns taken from you and handed over to the police (who, if they were indeed taken illegally, would return them to you in due course)?


Due course my ass. It's easier to escape from a locked basement than it is to get anything back from the cops.
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adjl
06/25/19 8:14:54 PM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...
adjl posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
...you mean to claim that unlawful detainment and breaking&entering, theft of a deadly weapon (which carries a pretty heavy prison sentence in many jurisdictions), and then unlawful dispensation are not equivalent.


Which would you rather be the victim of: being locked in a basement indefinitely or having your guns taken from you and handed over to the police (who, if they were indeed taken illegally, would return them to you in due course)?


Due course my ass. It's easier to escape from a locked basement than it is to get anything back from the cops.

Also see:
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/asset-forfeiture-abuse


That's nice, but it doesn't answer the question. Your deflection reveals a lot about your faith in your position.
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/25/19 8:20:06 PM
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adjl posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
adjl posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
...you mean to claim that unlawful detainment and breaking&entering, theft of a deadly weapon (which carries a pretty heavy prison sentence in many jurisdictions), and then unlawful dispensation are not equivalent.


Which would you rather be the victim of: being locked in a basement indefinitely or having your guns taken from you and handed over to the police (who, if they were indeed taken illegally, would return them to you in due course)?


Due course my ass. It's easier to escape from a locked basement than it is to get anything back from the cops.

Also see:
https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/asset-forfeiture-abuse


That's nice, but it doesn't answer the question. Your deflection reveals a lot about your faith in your position.


Not a deflection, bro. And because it's not a permanent theft, change it to "kidnapped and locked in basement, after which she'd attempt to turn you over to the authorities," which, again, would be worlds better than trying to get your property back from the cops.
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adjl
06/25/19 8:25:49 PM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...
And because it's not a permanent theft, change it to "kidnapped and locked in basement, after which she'd attempt to turn you over to the authorities,"


So... citizen's arrest? Also known as a commonly accepted means of defending against an immediate threat that the police are unable to address quickly enough?
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/25/19 8:40:12 PM
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adjl posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
And because it's not a permanent theft, change it to "kidnapped and locked in basement, after which she'd attempt to turn you over to the authorities,"


So... citizen's arrest? Also known as a commonly accepted means of defending against an immediate threat that the police are unable to address quickly enough?


If I meant a citizen's arrest, I would have said citizen's arrest. The fact that a woman is scared of an ex wouldn't permit her to preemptively lock up said ex to hand them over to the police any more than she can illegally enter a premises, illegally confiscate property, and then illegally turn that property over to cops. Handing something over to the police at the last stage doesn't undue all the illegal shit it took to get you there.
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adjl
06/25/19 8:43:05 PM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...
If I meant a citizen's arrest, I would have said citizen's arrest.


Does citizen's arrest not consist of confining somebody to prevent them from committing a crime you have reasonable cause to believe they will commit?

Donald_J_Zeus posted...
The fact that a woman is scared of an ex


I know you're trying to be dismissive and all, but it's terribly dishonest of you to leave out the part where the ex in question tried to murder her once already.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/25/19 8:46:02 PM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...

1) You don't know what level of security it had. Even if he had a gun safe, she'd likely know the code. If it was hidden, she'd know where it was.


As an aside, how is it fine that an outsider can just access your weapons?

Just as a random observation, even if there was a weapon safe, the fact that she could access them and that fact was shown to the police, under the law here his guns would be forfeit and so would be his license.
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Keebs05
06/26/19 12:23:35 AM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...
Keebs05 posted...
She's clearly in the wrong but rotting in prison is excessive.


Because breaking & entering and theft of a weapon should be a fine or community service? LOL!

Did I say that? "Rotting in prison" suggests an exorbitant amount of prison time. I don't think that's necessary.
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JTekashiro
06/26/19 12:12:15 PM
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adjl posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
If I meant a citizen's arrest, I would have said citizen's arrest.


Does citizen's arrest not consist of confining somebody to prevent them from committing a crime you have reasonable cause to believe they will commit?

Donald_J_Zeus posted...
The fact that a woman is scared of an ex


I know you're trying to be dismissive and all, but it's terribly dishonest of you to leave out the part where the ex in question tried to murder her once already.


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