Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 11: Rising Action

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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:41:26 AM
#351:


another page for us to

lose the game

okay I am all logicked out I am also going to bed

(but I am going to be playing langrisser there!!)
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:49:01 AM
#352:


Lea3Lea posted...
Actually so did Ben

Sbell has too few votes now!

If only I had two votes!
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:49:28 AM
#353:


I'm going to bed too if anyone cares
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HanOfTheNekos
06/25/19 1:00:41 AM
#354:


Votals (as of post 353)
(4) MZero: (Lea), (Ben), 5tar, Ulti, Lea, Ben
(4) SBell: Puns, MZero, (Ben), (Lea), Lopen, Tom
(0) Lea: (Tom)
(0) Tom: (Lopen)
(0) Ben: (Lopen)
(0) Hb: (Lopen)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Wednesday, June 26th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

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HanOfTheNekos
06/25/19 1:01:26 AM
#355:


Going to bed. Name the next topic: "Character Development for Delseban"
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MZero11
06/25/19 1:09:29 AM
#356:


benjamin3740 posted...
MZero11 posted...
##Vote: SBell

Still scum!

Why again?


Look at his red vote. It's such a scum accepting their teammate's inevitable demise vote
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MZero11
06/25/19 1:37:40 AM
#357:


Lopen posted...
I trust MZero's platter. Let's do it.


At least someone gets it! The platter is absolute
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5tarscream
06/25/19 1:52:10 AM
#358:


##Unvote:
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Camarija
06/25/19 1:55:38 AM
#359:


##VOTE: Tom
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Hbthebattle
06/25/19 2:13:16 AM
#360:


Ok Im back whats been going on.

Also, lets talk about Lea without factoring in the (fake)claim for a moment. Does Leas play of lazy reads and lazy pushes on easy targets seem like a townish thing to do? Does the hopping from target to target at a ridiculous rate seem towny?

The claims a distraction, and it clearly worked.
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Hbthebattle
06/25/19 2:13:47 AM
#361:


So basically
##Vote: Lea
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MZero11
06/25/19 2:16:06 AM
#362:


Hbthebattle posted...
Does the hopping from target to target at a ridiculous rate seem towny?


I think Lea does this as either alignment tbh

Lazy pushes on easy targets, not so much. I don't think all her pushes have been lazy though
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MZero11
06/25/19 2:19:40 AM
#363:


Also I didn't read Dr. Doom travels through Kanto (sorry Chris) but Dr. Doom is a villain so wouldn't his Gyarados be evil?

Sounds like a scum flavor to me!
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5tarscream
06/25/19 2:42:30 AM
#364:


MZero what are your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads so far.
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MZero11
06/25/19 2:48:14 AM
#365:


5tarscream posted...
MZero what are your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads so far.


Do you count?

5tar
Lopen
Puns

SBell
Corrik
Ummm Ulti I guess

Only scum read I'm confident in is SBell though
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5tarscream
06/25/19 2:50:28 AM
#366:


Interesting that two of your scum reads I have as town reads.

What is it your seeing in Corrik that makes you think he's scum?
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turbopuns3
06/25/19 2:51:06 AM
#367:


I'm a top 3 town really?
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MZero11
06/25/19 2:51:06 AM
#368:


For Ulti I didn't like his attack on Lopen for voting dowolf Day 1 when Lopen explained it, felt like a manufactured argument

And something else that I don't remember. I think he was like avoiding talking about red early day 2 or something. I'll have to check back
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5tarscream
06/25/19 2:53:48 AM
#369:


I asked about Corrik.
What do you see in his play that makes you think scum instead of town?
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MZero11
06/25/19 2:56:34 AM
#370:


5tarscream posted...
Interesting that two of your scum reads I have as town reads.

What is it your seeing in Corrik that makes you think he's scum?


Corrik is a hard guy to read. I had him as town early too. He just seems off and lacking his usual conviction. To be honest, he doesn't resemble his town self OR scum self so I'm not sure what to make of him
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MZero11
06/25/19 2:57:28 AM
#371:


5tarscream posted...
I asked about Corrik.
What do you see in his play that makes you think scum instead of town?


I'm on mobile and hadn't seen your question yet. Just wanted to elaborate on Ulti a bit!
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MZero11
06/25/19 3:01:00 AM
#372:


turbopuns3 posted...
I'm a top 3 town really?


Yes because Chris died RIP

Otherwise you would have been 4th
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5tarscream
06/25/19 4:42:08 AM
#373:


I actually think Corrik is playing his usual "I have a plan it just looks as if useless" town play. Corrik is usually much more productive and reasonable when he's scum. This is classic Corrik town just ignore him for now tactics. To say he's your second scum read then say he's hard to read and you even had him as town is weird.
So what you're really saying is you believe that SBell is scum and that's it really. If we assume SBell is scum and we lynch him what would be your approach to tomorrow? Who would you look at?
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htaeD
06/25/19 4:52:37 AM
#374:


Havent caught up yet. I definitely was eyeing dowolf after we learned there was a town mayor. I didnt expect him to die.
It feels more like a kill an independent would make. Sure there could also be a poison at work.
But I dont recall any poisoner ever not telling the player they were poisoned.

On a red note, ISOing him sucks.
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htaeD
06/25/19 4:54:51 AM
#375:


And I am at work, so this will go slowly.

Topics1/2:
Tom joked but does talk about red before anyone else. Red hadnt posted yet at that moment tho.
When red does show up, he calls him similar to last game but condones his activity as well. He doesnt talk much with red though. Ambivalent for now.

Puns engaged him early, could be fluff or scumbanter as it was not too pressing. He later requests red to give an opinion on him and red calls him townish. I do like Puns asking red to do things more.

Red made a point of asking why people were hunting SK. This paired with his terrible vote for Pez later makes me think more kindly of Pez.
The fact that Luis joined red in his pez attack (heh) is good info. It makes me believe that anyone else attacking Pez (like Ulti) is less likely to be scum. I dont see too many scum divebomb pez at the same time.
Though Pez did think red was town for his better quality posts. So his roommate powers or whatever were not too accurate by half already.

Lopen told red to skip 400 posts. On the surface I feel like this is not something a scumpartner would tell a scumpartner in game. But then I already liked Lopen for how he acted yesterday.
Red shaded Lopen very early on also.
Ulti didnt think red would listen to Lopen anyway, while HB makes a big deal out of it. Hrmrhm.

5tar noted red to be town early on. I dont think 5tar is scum. I am just noting it for context. Nobody quoted 5tar about it either.

Okay then Chris starts calling HB scum and all red does is call anyone that follows Chris a sheep. He doesnt give an opinion on HB himself, just that Chris is being vague.
He excused himself a lot and it sounded like he wanted to keep his hands clean while setting up targets for town to look at at the same time.
Notedly red outright rejects the idea that HB is scum for claiming Nilla instead of Villager. He also joked about sametiming with HB before that, but HB didnt seem to notice.

When asked by Puns, red says he cant read Lea yet. Though he does praise Lea for having the best HB vote.

Lastly, Red tries to poison (not literally) Corrik for Chris, telling Chris that Corrik is a suckup. Townpoints for Corrik.
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htaeD
06/25/19 4:57:00 AM
#376:


Also red turns on HB awfully quick at the end of topic2, calling his play the same as his scumplay from endgame mafia, Still doesnt vote him before leaving. HB was at 6 at the time, but thats hardly close to hammering him.
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htaeD
06/25/19 5:15:14 AM
#377:


topic 3/4:
Ironically red shaded Ben for badly defending HB. Lol. Ignored dowolf when asked about why he didnt just vote Ben then.
Red had no expectations of Mzero and hinted at wanting to kill inactives.
On the other hand he did not want to pursue Sbell just because he got a lot of attention last game day1 already.

Tom later decided that red was town, which Lea questioned but tom just explained it was because of his activity. Not that strong a reason.
Pez also sounded like he felt red was town for those reasons. I still doubt all three of them are scum together though.

Cam is probably already towny enough, but that kicking in the teeth argument just adds more to his towniness.

Red finally made his bad pezvote in topic4, and also shaded Ulti a little when prodded for an opinion on him by 5tar.
Corrik and Lolo dont react to the vote. but then neither did I. Actually I think i disliked Ulti's pez vote more at that time.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:30:10 AM
#378:


5tarscream posted...
I actually think Corrik is playing his usual "I have a plan it just looks as if useless" town play. Corrik is usually much more productive and reasonable when he's scum. This is classic Corrik town just ignore him for now tactics. To say he's your second scum read then say he's hard to read and you even had him as town is weird.
So what you're really saying is you believe that SBell is scum and that's it really. If we assume SBell is scum and we lynch him what would be your approach to tomorrow? Who would you look at?

Never ceases to amaze me how this guy says he knows how I play from last experience while also saying he has only played like 2 games with me.

All the best of board 8 can't differentiate between my scum and town play, but 5tar can easily able to tell them apart. Lol.

Eek.
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htaeD
06/25/19 5:31:30 AM
#379:


I can tell the difference between your gladiator play and your not gladiator play at least!
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:34:27 AM
#380:


Cam, I think you may be town. I know we butt heads a lot because we both play in generally out there ways. While I tend to play from the shadows with ploys a lot, you seem to play more by having a strong gut and following it.

I think where you lose me a lot is that your read is a gut reading and you try to find a way to justify it, which can result in some very illogical arguments. (Ex: Town Vanilla argument, red threatening argument). This causes me to doubt you and fight back against your logic and ultimately all your reads.

However, your gut seems to be right a good bit and that can be an asset. Let's try to work together. We can try to employ your gut feelings and anything I can contribute together to get things done.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:35:03 AM
#381:


htaeD posted...
I can tell the difference between your gladiator play and your not gladiator play at least!

C'mon, bro!
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htaeD
06/25/19 5:35:05 AM
#382:


rest of day1:

Its not until pez himself countervoted red and Chris backed up Cams opinion of red being lackluster that people started to look his way.
Tom changed his mind (though he still leaned town on red) and Lopen didnt like the vote at all and makes him vote red eventually.
Lea voted red because he though red could be the serial killer. Not right, but still a decent vote.

Red, when his train has begun, said his mind never left the HB train. Sounds like throwing HB under the bus, or its red knowing he could be doomed and trying to distance himself from HB.

He gave a lot of opinions in topic6, saying sbell is probably still town (and that his lynch is a bd idea) and he didnt like Lopen and accused him of not reading the game. (to undermine his attack I imagine)

Kingmaker happened. Cam outright said he would kill red with that power. Lea and Lopen also list red as a possible target once Chris becomes king.
Lolo on the other hand has no interest in lynching (?) red.
Pity that red never gave his own suggestion on who to kill with the power.
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htaeD
06/25/19 5:36:36 AM
#383:


I am pretty sure Cam is town just for his blatant red murder lust alone.

Lopen, Pez and Lea also look good, Tom is an ambivalent case and HB I am iffy on.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:37:57 AM
#384:


Tom Bombadil posted...
pretty easily

if I didn't have familiarity with a character I probably wouldn't make them a role in my game but I might throw them on the safelist as a joke

Anything you are willing to safelist, you are willing to put in the game.

The best argument for it being fake is that Lea knew there was never a chance for being in the game and could easily back off it as a joke if it was found out to be a lie.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:42:01 AM
#385:


benjamin3740 posted...
Corrik I came around on day 2. He;s town

Can you show me where you came around on me day 2? If impossible to show, can you explain when you came around on me day 2? If both are impossible, then I understand. Thanks for coming around on me.
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5tarscream
06/25/19 5:45:11 AM
#386:


That's good stuff it also reminds me why I had Ben, HB and SBell as my initial scum reads. Ben I have mellowed on because his interactions regarding hb have been mirrored a lot of times and although he hasnt really done any scum hunting he admits he is much better at town clearing than scum hunting. HB and SBell though are still pretty stinky.
HB in particular hasn't really made himself look any better he's just been ignored for better targets. That being said. He has already claimed so it's easy enough to verify tonight assuming I haven't been poisoned like we presume Chris was.
I feel like after the red kill was so clean yesterday we've all got pretty lazy. Except Lopen.

Scum reads:

HB - I feel like Harry Potter is a very safe listy type claim, just like miss marple. That being said I'm not 100% for lynching him until I can verify it because the flavour is super weird this game. I mean Chris was literally a letter.
Two scum were a god and a literal ring.

SBell - Looked pretty scummy and his lynch me lynch me style posting seems like he's trying to call everyone's bluff and I'm kind of past buying it.

Tom - I'm not feeling good about Tom either and he was the person I was considering scanning last night. All of his reads have been pretty weak and although like red I initially had him as town I feel like he's just looked worse and worse as time has gone on.

Town reads:

Lopen - He seems legit bummed about Chris and was one of the only players to actually call red's cliam for the obvious bs that it was.

Pez - Pez is a player that has basically done the opposite of Tom. He started off looking bad but has since looked better and better.

Cam - Despite his absolute fucking nonsense about me bussing red who flipped scum backup after Luis had already flipped scum redirector. The reason I got his flavor spot on is because I scanned him, it gave me his flavor. That's kind of the point in a flavor cop Cam Jesus. Anyway, Cam although horribly misguided is at least trying to use initiative to look deeper and find scum instead of letting others do his work.

Death - Again trying to do something positive. not just voting for the same old people over and over. Actually reading the topic and looking for links.

Minor leans:

Soft town lean on MZero. I voted him in the hopes he'd actually do something useful but alas he's basically a waste of a spot right now because he's doing nothing productive.

Corrik town lean but honestly I'm basically ignoring him for the most part right now. As long as he listens to sense evetually I'm glad.

Ulti town lean because like Cam he's at least trying to do something with his own thoughts. He seems to be struggling with scum hunting and being nice and it's kind of crippling town because he doesn't know how to go after people without being an ass haha.

Lolo - I dunno. Maybe scum lean but I just can't get a good read.

Lea - Posting style is so all over the place I honestly don't lnow what to make of it. I also feel like the flavour was a lie but still likely town. If I absolutely had to make a decision but maybe 55% town lean.

Ben - Town lean but not strong.

If anyone is unaligned I'd go for puns. Though he could be miller, or town power or scum. I lean individual role but I honestly don't know.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:48:45 AM
#387:


Lea3Lea posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I don't suppose anybody would care to back up Lea's claim that this is par for the Lea/Chris course would they

It is definitely totally for sure


TRAPPED you're lea's scumbuddy now

that's how logic works right I'm not sure but I think I got it you post stuff and yell TRAPPED at people

Lopen posted...
Ben and Lea both jumped with little fight or thought.


They were both kinda doing that all the first day or two though right?

Lea3Lea posted...
Do you understand why he thought Corrik was town, then scum?

Do you think his reason for voting Sbell of "Sbell was clearly salty scum that they lost one player!!!!" really should be regarded by him as reason to do literally nothing different on day three? Like do you think he's really been going "hmmm how I can figure out who scum in this game is" or has a thought pattern about his reads that aren't just him starting at the result and working backwards (bc scum knowledge) ?


A) ...don't remember >_>

B) Fair!


I'd advise looking it up. He calls Corrik obvtown day one "for acting like Corrik" when I pressed. I asked him what he thought Scum Corrik would be acting like and he said he had no idea. Then day two Mzero voted him and suddenly Corrik was magically no longer acting like Corrik. And now he's just parked his vote on Sbell and regardless of Sbell's alignment it demonstrates zero curiousity in figuring out the game, as town does

This is ironically my entire argument on Mzero.

He said I was town because faking inactivity and laziness is what I do as town. Then he said he would vote me if I continued doing it.

Which is a contradicting argument.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:50:29 AM
#388:


MZero11 posted...
5tarscream posted...
MZero what are your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads so far.


Do you count?

5tar
Lopen
Puns

SBell
Corrik
Ummm Ulti I guess

Only scum read I'm confident in is SBell though

Where is the Mzero who was making sound, logical arguments and picking apart inconsistencies and contradictions last game?
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:51:16 AM
#389:


MZero11 posted...
5tarscream posted...
Interesting that two of your scum reads I have as town reads.

What is it your seeing in Corrik that makes you think he's scum?


Corrik is a hard guy to read. I had him as town early too. He just seems off and lacking his usual conviction. To be honest, he doesn't resemble his town self OR scum self so I'm not sure what to make of him

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htaeD
06/25/19 5:52:43 AM
#390:


I dont know if you explained this earlier, 5tar
But why did you scan Cam?
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:53:20 AM
#391:


htaeD posted...
Havent caught up yet. I definitely was eyeing dowolf after we learned there was a town mayor. I didnt expect him to die.
It feels more like a kill an independent would make. Sure there could also be a poison at work.
But I dont recall any poisoner ever not telling the player they were poisoned.

On a red note, ISOing him sucks.

Chris was poisoned. Move on from it. He would have been protected night 2 from a doctor and scum had no way to stop that. It is why the kill last night was dowolf. They couldn't kill the outted scanner because of doctor fear. Red specifically said SK because he knew two kills were going off today due to their poison.

And, notification is usually not done, but again that is host dependent.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:54:40 AM
#392:


htaeD posted...
I am pretty sure Cam is town just for his blatant red murder lust alone.

Lopen, Pez and Lea also look good, Tom is an ambivalent case and HB I am iffy on.

The lust was illogical and an easy to fake argument.

But, I feel he is likelier town now. So, I chalk it up to gut that worked out. So, let's roll with it.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 5:55:58 AM
#393:


Did 5tar claim his scan? I missed it. Someone toss me it.
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5tarscream
06/25/19 5:55:59 AM
#394:


I didn't scan Cam.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 6:04:06 AM
#395:


I would like to reiterate how an outted scanner refusing to reveal his scans is anti-town and does not make sense and makes them look scummy.

Basically was the crux of the argument on Red yesterday, but he at least had a valid argument for not revealing it until counter scanned supposedly.

If red felt he was dead no matter what, then the possibility exists of the bus.

That said, 5tar's initial vote on red points to him being town and it not being a ploy. Seemed to have been in the works long before red would have surmised he was already dead.
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htaeD
06/25/19 6:06:05 AM
#396:


Oh I thought you did because of what you said in your big post up there.
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htaeD
06/25/19 6:06:50 AM
#397:


Corrik7 posted...
htaeD posted...
Havent caught up yet. I definitely was eyeing dowolf after we learned there was a town mayor. I didnt expect him to die.
It feels more like a kill an independent would make. Sure there could also be a poison at work.
But I dont recall any poisoner ever not telling the player they were poisoned.

On a red note, ISOing him sucks.

Chris was poisoned. Move on from it. He would have been protected night 2 from a doctor and scum had no way to stop that. It is why the kill last night was dowolf. They couldn't kill the outted scanner because of doctor fear. Red specifically said SK because he knew two kills were going off today due to their poison.

And, notification is usually not done, but again that is host dependent.


Guess I will put `checking poison mentions` on my todolist
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Corrik7
06/25/19 6:08:23 AM
#398:


htaeD posted...
Corrik7 posted...
htaeD posted...
Havent caught up yet. I definitely was eyeing dowolf after we learned there was a town mayor. I didnt expect him to die.
It feels more like a kill an independent would make. Sure there could also be a poison at work.
But I dont recall any poisoner ever not telling the player they were poisoned.

On a red note, ISOing him sucks.

Chris was poisoned. Move on from it. He would have been protected night 2 from a doctor and scum had no way to stop that. It is why the kill last night was dowolf. They couldn't kill the outted scanner because of doctor fear. Red specifically said SK because he knew two kills were going off today due to their poison.

And, notification is usually not done, but again that is host dependent.


Guess I will put `checking poison mentions` on my todolist

I'll save you the trouble. I mentioned it first and the most.
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5tarscream
06/25/19 6:10:00 AM
#399:


I scanned Ulti and based on his flavour I find it very unlikely that he'd be scum. The two scum flips have had clearly evil and powerful flavour. I scanned him a few reasons;
a) his change of play being a good excuse for scum to hide behind.
b) his votes on me purely because nobody had voted me. Instead of believeing I'm clear cut town and that's why nobody was voting me.
c) his jump off the red vote was weak.

I was hoping that scum would use these things that made him look a bit scummy to use him as an easy lynch. It looks like scum have decided to basically lie low and hope town can't find them based on their previous activity.
Tom and MZero don't look good though because this is basically what they did and why it pushed both of them down my list of reads. I feel like the two of them need a much closer look as well as anyone that has been much lower activity so far.
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Corrik7
06/25/19 6:11:44 AM
#400:


What did Ulti scan as?
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