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King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 2:05:24 PM #1:	https://medium.com/@teamwarren/my-plan-to-strengthen-our-democracy-6867ec1bcd3c Elections are the foundation of our democracy, but in the United States the greatest democracy in the world our government treats voting like its one of the least important things we do. We have around 8,000 election jurisdictions all doing their own thing. They are overstretched, under-resourced, and their technology is often laughably out of date. Voting should be easy. But instead, many states make it hard for people to vote. We have all heard stories about polling places running out of ballots, computer problems causing delays, ballot designs confusing voters, and extremely long lines preventing working people from voting. And on top of these administrative issues, racist and partisan officials often deliberately seek to stop citizens from exercising the right to vote. States have purged names from the voter rolls, limited same-day registration, closed polling places in communities of color, used voter ID laws to try to disenfranchise Native Americans, and even placed restrictions and criminal penalties on efforts to register new voters. Our elections should be as secure as Fort Knox. But instead, theyre less secure than your Amazon account. State and local officials take their jobs seriously, but they often dont have the resources to secure their elections. Even then, its hard for local officials to defend against attacks from foreign governments. In the 2016 election, the Russian government tried to infiltrate at least 39 state election systems and at least one election equipment company. They tried to spear-phish more than 100 local election officials email accounts. They even successfully broke into several voter registration databases. The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning theres no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states dont require post-election audits. And ten states dont train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, weve done far too little to address it. We need a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote. But the moral necessity of this amendment shouldnt stop us from acting now. The federal government already has the power to regulate federal elections, secure our democracy, and put a stop to racist voter suppression. Under our Constitution, Congress can regulate the Times, Places, and Manner, of federal elections. This power is so broad that even Justice Scalia believed this provision gives Congress authority to provide a complete code for congressional elections. Congress also has the power to enforce the 14th and 15th Amendments to prevent voting discrimination, and the power of the purse to grant money to the states to meet federal standards. Its time to draw on these constitutional powers to strengthen our democracy. Enough is enough. It is time to make high-quality voting in the greatest democracy in the world easy, convenient, and professional. Its time to secure our elections from all threats, foreign and domestic. Its time to address election security, administration problems, and voter suppression. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923828039] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>https://medium.com/@teamwarren/my-plan-to-strengthen-our-democracy-6867ec1bcd3c <quote>Elections are the foundation of our democracy, but in the United States the greatest democracy in the world our government treats voting like its one of the least important things we do. We have around 8,000 election jurisdictions all doing their own thing. They are overstretched, under-resourced, and their technology is often laughably out of date. Voting should be easy. But instead, many states make it hard for people to vote. We have all heard stories about polling places running out of ballots, computer problems causing delays, ballot designs confusing voters, and extremely long lines preventing working people from voting. And on top of these administrative issues, racist and partisan officials often deliberately seek to stop citizens from exercising the right to vote. States have purged names from the voter rolls, limited same-day registration, closed polling places in communities of color, used voter ID laws to try to disenfranchise Native Americans, and even placed restrictions and criminal penalties on efforts to register new voters. Our elections should be as secure as Fort Knox. But instead, theyre less secure than your Amazon account. State and local officials take their jobs seriously, but they often dont have the resources to secure their elections. Even then, its hard for local officials to defend against attacks from foreign governments. In the 2016 election, the Russian government tried to infiltrate at least 39 state election systems and at least one election equipment company. They tried to spear-phish more than 100 local election officials email accounts. They even successfully broke into several voter registration databases. The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning theres no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states dont require post-election audits. And ten states dont train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, weve done far too little to address it. We need a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote. But the moral necessity of this amendment shouldnt stop us from acting now. The federal government already has the power to regulate federal elections, secure our democracy, and put a stop to racist voter suppression. Under our Constitution, Congress can regulate the Times, Places, and Manner, of federal elections. This power is so broad that even Justice Scalia believed this provision gives Congress authority to provide a complete code for congressional elections. Congress also has the power to enforce the 14th and 15th Amendments to prevent voting discrimination, and the power of the purse to grant money to the states to meet federal standards. Its time to draw on these constitutional powers to strengthen our democracy. Enough is enough. It is time to make high-quality voting in the greatest democracy in the world easy, convenient, and professional. Its time to secure our elections from all threats, foreign and domestic. Its time to address election security, administration problems, and voter suppression.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 2:06:33 PM #2:	Heres how my plan will work: Federal elections get state-of-the-art federal machines, federal ballots, and federal security. Right now some jurisdictions use dated machines that are easily hackable with no paper trail. Ballot design is all over the place. No more. The federal government will replace every voting machine in the country with state-of-the-art equipment and require adoption of a uniform federal ballot. And we will lock all federal voting technology systems behind a security firewall like its Fort Knox. Federal standards for federal elections. We have 8,000 election jurisdictions running elections. Problems with resources, malfeasance, and errors are rampant. No more. We will have federal standards to ensure everyone can vote, including mandating automatic and same-day registration, early voting, and vote by mail. My plan will mean no more arbitrary voter purges. No more registration issues. And no more gerrymandering. We will also make Election Day a holiday to make it easier for people to get to the polls. Enforce the law and expand access through incentives where possible, and with federal authority where necessary. My plan will give states cutting-edge voting equipment and election security protocols, all paid for by the federal government, and states will be required to follow all federal standards for federal elections. States who also choose to meet these requirements in their state elections can work through federal-state partnership agreements to have those elections fully funded by the federal government, too and well give them a bonus for achieving high voter turnout rates. And where racist or corrupt politicians refuse to follow the law, the federal government will temporarily take over the administration of their federal elections to guarantee the fundamental right to vote. Securing Our Elections Under my plan, federal elections will get state-of-the-art federal machines, federal ballots, and federal security. The federal government will replace insecure and outdated systems with hand-marked, voter-verified paper ballot machines. To prevent hanging-chads and other confusing ballot designs, well have uniform federal ballots all across the country that are based on easy-to-use design principles. The federal government will also provide every polling location with accessible ballot machines for people with disabilities and conduct research into how to improve voting security and accessibility for all people, including those with disabilities and people for whom English isnt their primary language. Through a new independent Secure Democracy Administration, which will replace the Election Assistance Commission and be staffed by civil servants, the federal government will manage the cybersecurity aspects of elections and develop additional security procedures for election administration and the end-to-end handling of ballots. States will implement these additional security measures, and will receive technical assistance and training from the Secure Democracy Administration. In addition, states will be required to conduct risk-limiting audits prior to certifying elections and well have independent oversight of those audits. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923828096] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><quote>Heres how my plan will work: Federal elections get state-of-the-art federal machines, federal ballots, and federal security. Right now some jurisdictions use dated machines that are easily hackable with no paper trail. Ballot design is all over the place. No more. The federal government will replace every voting machine in the country with state-of-the-art equipment and require adoption of a uniform federal ballot. And we will lock all federal voting technology systems behind a security firewall like its Fort Knox. Federal standards for federal elections. We have 8,000 election jurisdictions running elections. Problems with resources, malfeasance, and errors are rampant. No more. We will have federal standards to ensure everyone can vote, including mandating automatic and same-day registration, early voting, and vote by mail. My plan will mean no more arbitrary voter purges. No more registration issues. And no more gerrymandering. We will also make Election Day a holiday to make it easier for people to get to the polls. Enforce the law and expand access through incentives where possible, and with federal authority where necessary. My plan will give states cutting-edge voting equipment and election security protocols, all paid for by the federal government, and states will be required to follow all federal standards for federal elections. States who also choose to meet these requirements in their state elections can work through federal-state partnership agreements to have those elections fully funded by the federal government, too and well give them a bonus for achieving high voter turnout rates. And where racist or corrupt politicians refuse to follow the law, the federal government will temporarily take over the administration of their federal elections to guarantee the fundamental right to vote. Securing Our Elections Under my plan, federal elections will get state-of-the-art federal machines, federal ballots, and federal security. The federal government will replace insecure and outdated systems with hand-marked, voter-verified paper ballot machines. To prevent hanging-chads and other confusing ballot designs, well have uniform federal ballots all across the country that are based on easy-to-use design principles. The federal government will also provide every polling location with accessible ballot machines for people with disabilities and conduct research into how to improve voting security and accessibility for all people, including those with disabilities and people for whom English isnt their primary language. Through a new independent Secure Democracy Administration, which will replace the Election Assistance Commission and be staffed by civil servants, the federal government will manage the cybersecurity aspects of elections and develop additional security procedures for election administration and the end-to-end handling of ballots. States will implement these additional security measures, and will receive technical assistance and training from the Secure Democracy Administration. In addition, states will be required to conduct risk-limiting audits prior to certifying elections and well have independent oversight of those audits. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 2:09:02 PM #3:	Establishing Binding Federal Standards for Federal Elections Our elections are never going to be secure, fair, or workable with so many jurisdictions each making their own rules especially when some officials deliberately manipulate those rules to stop people from voting. Under my plan, well have a uniform set of federal election standards that achieve four goals: No more registration problems. My plan will mandate automatic voter registration and same-day registration for federal elections. State and federal government agencies will automatically register voters and transfer that information to state elections officials, and voters can opt-out, if they choose. Every state will also be required to offer same-day registration, which acts as a fail-safe for anyone who is mistakenly left off the rolls. No more voter purges. Under my plan, states will be banned from removing voters from the election rolls unless the voter affirmatively requests to be removed or there is objective evidence of a legitimate reason to remove them, like death, change of address, or loss of eligibility to vote. We will also re-enfranchise those who have served their time and left prison. No more difficulties voting. We will make Election Day a national holiday, and all federal elections will have a minimum of 15 days of early voting, expanded voting hours, the option to vote with a sworn statement of identity instead of an ID, convenient polling locations, and voting by mail. And we will pass the Voting Rights Advancement Act and the Native American Voting Rights Act to shut down a host of festering discriminatory practices. No more gerrymandering. Under my plan, states will be required to use independent redistricting commissions to draw federal congressional districts to prevent gerrymandering. Both parties should compete on a level playing field; not in a rigged game designed to suppress the will of the people. Enforcing the law and expanding access through incentives where possible, and with federal authority where necessary Our democracy shouldnt be about keeping people out it should strive to bring everyone to the polls. Under my plan, states will receive new state-of-the-art machines and federal election security, all paid for by the federal government, and they will also be obligated to comply with the federal standards for federal elections. But we should make voting easier in all elections federal, state, and local. Im proposing a federal-state partnership so that states will have a strong financial incentive to follow these rules in their state and local elections as well and to maximize voter turnout. Heres how it will work: the federal government will pay the entirety of a states election administration costs, as long as the state meets federal standards in its state and local elections and works to make voting more convenient. States will create state implementation plans, describing how they will adhere to federal law and increase access to voting (e.g. location of polling places). The Secure Democracy Administration will review state implementation plans for compliance with federal law, election security protocols, potentially racially discriminatory impacts, and efforts to make voting more convenient. States that achieve high percentage voter turnout, including across racial, gender, and age groups, will be awarded additional bonus payments. All plans will be finalized well in advance of Election Day, and states will provide data on their election activities. If a state does not participate in the federal-state partnership, but a local jurisdiction within the state wishes to do so, the local jurisdiction can work with the federal government to create a local implementation plan and it will get access to federal funds to cover its election administration costs. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923828226] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><quote>Establishing Binding Federal Standards for Federal Elections Our elections are never going to be secure, fair, or workable with so many jurisdictions each making their own rules especially when some officials deliberately manipulate those rules to stop people from voting. Under my plan, well have a uniform set of federal election standards that achieve four goals: No more registration problems. My plan will mandate automatic voter registration and same-day registration for federal elections. State and federal government agencies will automatically register voters and transfer that information to state elections officials, and voters can opt-out, if they choose. Every state will also be required to offer same-day registration, which acts as a fail-safe for anyone who is mistakenly left off the rolls. No more voter purges. Under my plan, states will be banned from removing voters from the election rolls unless the voter affirmatively requests to be removed or there is objective evidence of a legitimate reason to remove them, like death, change of address, or loss of eligibility to vote. We will also re-enfranchise those who have served their time and left prison. No more difficulties voting. We will make Election Day a national holiday, and all federal elections will have a minimum of 15 days of early voting, expanded voting hours, the option to vote with a sworn statement of identity instead of an ID, convenient polling locations, and voting by mail. And we will pass the Voting Rights Advancement Act and the Native American Voting Rights Act to shut down a host of festering discriminatory practices. No more gerrymandering. Under my plan, states will be required to use independent redistricting commissions to draw federal congressional districts to prevent gerrymandering. Both parties should compete on a level playing field; not in a rigged game designed to suppress the will of the people. Enforcing the law and expanding access through incentives where possible, and with federal authority where necessary Our democracy shouldnt be about keeping people out it should strive to bring everyone to the polls. Under my plan, states will receive new state-of-the-art machines and federal election security, all paid for by the federal government, and they will also be obligated to comply with the federal standards for federal elections. But we should make voting easier in all elections federal, state, and local. Im proposing a federal-state partnership so that states will have a strong financial incentive to follow these rules in their state and local elections as well and to maximize voter turnout. Heres how it will work: the federal government will pay the entirety of a states election administration costs, as long as the state meets federal standards in its state and local elections and works to make voting more convenient. States will create state implementation plans, describing how they will adhere to federal law and increase access to voting (e.g. location of polling places). The Secure Democracy Administration will review state implementation plans for compliance with federal law, election security protocols, potentially racially discriminatory impacts, and efforts to make voting more convenient. States that achieve high percentage voter turnout, including across racial, gender, and age groups, will be awarded additional bonus payments. All plans will be finalized well in advance of Election Day, and states will provide data on their election activities. If a state does not participate in the federal-state partnership, but a local jurisdiction within the state wishes to do so, the local jurisdiction can work with the federal government to create a local implementation plan and it will get access to federal funds to cover its election administration costs. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 2:09:27 PM #4:	States can choose to follow their own rules for their state and local elections. But if they do, they wont receive new funding for administering state elections beyond election security measures, and they will still have to administer federal elections in accordance with federal law including preclearance for any changes that might have a discriminatory impact under the Voting Rights Advancement Act. If state or local election officials choose to ignore these federal rules and instead move to violate them, my plan will give the Secure Democracy Administration the authority to seek a court order to step in and guarantee that every voter has access to the polls unless or until the state shows its intent to fully comply with federal law. The right to vote is a fundamental right, and we will not let racist and corrupt politicians undermine it or our democracy. Our democracy is too important for it to be under-resourced and insecure. We need to do everything we can to make sure our elections are convenient, professional, and secure and we should be willing to pay for it. Based on estimates of national election administration expenses, recent state efforts to upgrade their election systems, and assessments of the costs of new machines and audits, to cover these costs, we would allocate around $20 billion over ten years, which includes around $15 billion for election administration and around $5 billion for election security. This investment can be fully paid for with revenue generated from the Ultra-Millionaire Tax. Democracy hangs on the idea that whoever gets the most votes wins. Politicians are supposed to compete over how many voters they can persuade, not how many they can disqualify or demoralize. And we have a solemn obligation to secure our elections from those who would try to undermine them. Thats why the Constitution gives Congress the tools to regulate the administration of federal elections. Its time to pick up those tools and use them. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923828247] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><quote>States can choose to follow their own rules for their state and local elections. But if they do, they wont receive new funding for administering state elections beyond election security measures, and they will still have to administer federal elections in accordance with federal law including preclearance for any changes that might have a discriminatory impact under the Voting Rights Advancement Act. If state or local election officials choose to ignore these federal rules and instead move to violate them, my plan will give the Secure Democracy Administration the authority to seek a court order to step in and guarantee that every voter has access to the polls unless or until the state shows its intent to fully comply with federal law. The right to vote is a fundamental right, and we will not let racist and corrupt politicians undermine it or our democracy. Our democracy is too important for it to be under-resourced and insecure. We need to do everything we can to make sure our elections are convenient, professional, and secure and we should be willing to pay for it. Based on estimates of national election administration expenses, recent state efforts to upgrade their election systems, and assessments of the costs of new machines and audits, to cover these costs, we would allocate around $20 billion over ten years, which includes around $15 billion for election administration and around $5 billion for election security. This investment can be fully paid for with revenue generated from the Ultra-Millionaire Tax. Democracy hangs on the idea that whoever gets the most votes wins. Politicians are supposed to compete over how many voters they can persuade, not how many they can disqualify or demoralize. And we have a solemn obligation to secure our elections from those who would try to undermine them. Thats why the Constitution gives Congress the tools to regulate the administration of federal elections. Its time to pick up those tools and use them.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 06/25/19 2:14:56 PM #5:	More so than her 1% wealth tax, this is the kind of legislation I suspect conservatives will most vehemently oppose. Like, how are you going to pass something like this without having all the branches under your wing. The states that like their broken system will be waiting for you at the door with legal challenges to march up the appeals courts. Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:923828520] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>More so than her 1% wealth tax, this is the kind of legislation I suspect conservatives will most vehemently oppose. Like, how are you going to pass something like this without having all the branches under your wing. The states that like their broken system will be waiting for you at the door with legal challenges to march up the appeals courts. Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 3:29:05 PM #6:	Laying out bold, intelligent plans that no one should oppose is good politics. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923832176] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Laying out bold, intelligent plans that no one should oppose is good politics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 06/25/19 3:33:25 PM #7:	Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:923832366] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 3:36:28 PM #8:	chrono625 posted... Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman. Im not sure what this has to do with this topic. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923832516] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman.</quote> Im not sure what this has to do with this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 06/25/19 3:45:35 PM #9:	King_Hellebuyck posted... chrono625 posted... Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman. Im not sure what this has to do with this topic. Not much. But I think if you're going to "strengthen democracy" you should actually have different individuals in Congress rather than the same people for 20-40 years. --- https://imgur.com/Rqk1DYV - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:923832939] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman.</quote> Im not sure what this has to do with this topic.</quote> Not much. But I think if you're going to "strengthen democracy" you should actually have different individuals in Congress rather than the same people for 20-40 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 3:48:08 PM #10:	chrono625 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... chrono625 posted... Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman. Im not sure what this has to do with this topic. Not much. But I think if you're going to "strengthen democracy" you should actually have different individuals in Congress rather than the same people for 20-40 years. In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923833047] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should impose term limits on all seats? Nothing says "change" like a 30 term congressman/woman.</quote> Im not sure what this has to do with this topic.</quote> Not much. But I think if you're going to "strengthen democracy" you should actually have different individuals in Congress rather than the same people for 20-40 years.</quote> In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 06/25/19 3:51:13 PM #11:	Make something where I can vote on my phone. Voting rate will go through the fucking roof. --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:923833203] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Make something where I can vote on my phone. Voting rate will go through the fucking roof.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 06/25/19 3:51:53 PM #12:	Jiek_Fafn posted... Make something where I can vote on my phone. Voting rate will go through the fucking roof. totally clandestine too! --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:923833239] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jiek_Fafn posted...</cite> <quote>Make something where I can vote on my phone. Voting rate will go through the fucking roof.</quote> totally clandestine too!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 06/25/19 3:53:56 PM #13:	Yikes --- My mind is an open book, do you find it entertaining? At least be original in your responses then. <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:923833328] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Yikes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 06/25/19 3:54:20 PM #14:	King_Hellebuyck posted... In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits. We're already limited to who we can vote for. It's been that way from the start. Limiting Congressional terms would be no different than limiting the President's or having age minimums. There needs to be term limits and/or an age cap to run for Congress. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:923833351] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits.</quote> We're already limited to who we can vote for. It's been that way from the start. Limiting Congressional terms would be no different than limiting the President's or having age minimums. There needs to be term limits and/or an age cap to run for Congress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 3:54:33 PM #15:	Kazi1212 posted... Yikes Quality post from the dude who has repeatedly admitted to trolling because hes bored --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923833360] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Yikes</quote> Quality post from the dude who has repeatedly admitted to trolling because hes bored</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 3:54:50 PM #16:	lolife67 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits. We're already limited to who we can vote for. It's been that way from the start. Limiting Congressional terms would be no different than limiting the President's or having age minimums. There needs to be term limits and/or an age cap to run for Congress. Go start a new topic about it --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923833369] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>lolife67 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits.</quote> We're already limited to who we can vote for. It's been that way from the start. Limiting Congressional terms would be no different than limiting the President's or having age minimums. There needs to be term limits and/or an age cap to run for Congress.</quote> Go start a new topic about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 06/25/19 3:55:04 PM #17:	lolife67 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits. We're already limited to who we can vote for. It's been that way from the start. Limiting Congressional terms would be no different than limiting the President's or having age minimums. There needs to be term limits and/or an age cap to run for Congress. We already have bad, anti-democratic rules, so we need more of them? <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:923833382] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>lolife67 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>In order to strengthen democracy we need to limit who people can vote for is a strange stance to take particularly in a topic that has nothing to do with term limits.</quote> We're already limited to who we can vote for. It's been that way from the start. Limiting Congressional terms would be no different than limiting the President's or having age minimums. There needs to be term limits and/or an age cap to run for Congress.</quote> We already have bad, anti-democratic rules, so we need more of them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 06/25/19 3:59:31 PM #18:	ElatedVenusaur posted... We already have bad, anti-democratic rules, so we need more of them? Except those aren't really "bad" rules? <cite>lolife67 posted [p:923833580] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElatedVenusaur posted...</cite> <quote>We already have bad, anti-democratic rules, so we need more of them?</quote> Except those aren't really "bad" rules?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 06/25/19 4:00:08 PM #19:	Wait, people are against term limits now? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:923833616] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Wait, people are against term limits now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/25/19 4:01:12 PM #20:	I'm all for term limits but that's p off topic --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923833661] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>I'm all for term limits but that's p off topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 4:01:50 PM #21:	Make a topic about term limits if you want to talk about term limits. I dont get why youd want to do it in this topic. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923833682] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Make a topic about term limits if you want to talk about term limits. I dont get why youd want to do it in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 06/25/19 4:07:32 PM #22:	Ambitious and very unlikely to pass, but it's something needed. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:923833942] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Ambitious and very unlikely to pass, but it's something needed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 06/25/19 4:09:25 PM #23:	On topic, I like the plan and agree it won't pass. but I'm glad someone is actually outlining their specific policies. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:923834007] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>On topic, I like the plan and agree it won't pass. but I'm glad someone is actually outlining their specific policies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:26:17 PM #24:	hollow_shrine posted... Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. There's powers available to the President outside of congress and the courts that can be used to force issues like this. She said the same thing with her climate plans and wealth tax stuff. In the event the Democrats win only one or neither chamber of Congress in 2020, then the plan is to do most of this outside of the legislature wherever possible and work on Congress next. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923834747] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. </quote> There's powers available to the President outside of congress and the courts that can be used to force issues like this. She said the same thing with her climate plans and wealth tax stuff. In the event the Democrats win only one or neither chamber of Congress in 2020, then the plan is to do most of this outside of the legislature wherever possible and work on Congress next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 4:30:48 PM #25:	This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923834960] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 06/25/19 4:31:22 PM #26:	Doom_Art posted... hollow_shrine posted... Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. There's powers available to the President outside of congress and the courts that can be used to force issues like this. She said the same thing with her climate plans and wealth tax stuff. In the event the Democrats win only one or neither chamber of Congress in 2020, then the plan is to do most of this outside of the legislature wherever possible and work on Congress next. I guess the question is, how much of this can be executed without the support of congress? When the state election boards start bitching about federal overreach to the courts, how are those courts likely to react? King_Hellebuyck posted... This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against. I don't think this is funny anymore. They're been fighting it in stages since the cutting of the Civil Rights act back in 2010. RBG's strongly worded dissension to that court ruling is the only reason a lot of us even know who she is. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:923834982] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. </quote> There's powers available to the President outside of congress and the courts that can be used to force issues like this. She said the same thing with her climate plans and wealth tax stuff. In the event the Democrats win only one or neither chamber of Congress in 2020, then the plan is to do most of this outside of the legislature wherever possible and work on Congress next.</quote> I guess the question is, how much of this can be executed without the support of congress? When the state election boards start bitching about federal overreach to the courts, how are those courts likely to react? <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against.</quote> I don't think this is funny anymore. They're been fighting it in stages since the cutting of the Civil Rights act back in 2010. RBG's strongly worded dissension to that court ruling is the only reason a lot of us even know who she is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:31:55 PM #27:	King_Hellebuyck posted... This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against. I expect it from the higher up Republicans, but I always get a kick out of regular conservatives shilling against pro-democracy shit like this --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923835004] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against.</quote> I expect it from the higher up Republicans, but I always get a kick out of regular conservatives shilling against pro-democracy shit like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
friendbuddypal 06/25/19 4:31:59 PM #28:	Doom_Art posted... hollow_shrine posted... Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. There's powers available to the President outside of congress and the courts that can be used to force issues like this. She said the same thing with her climate plans and wealth tax stuff. In the event the Democrats win only one or neither chamber of Congress in 2020, then the plan is to do most of this outside of the legislature wherever possible and work on Congress next. Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. I hope the power of the executive branch is reigned in before a lunatic like Warren ends up misusing it. --- CIA: You're a big guy. Bane: For you. <cite>friendbuddypal posted [p:923835009] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Short of literally winning all the marbles, I don't see how she can do this. I love the idea that someone is so committed to the idea as to have laid out a plan. I think she's taking it seriously. I just also think she's picking a really tough fight here. </quote> There's powers available to the President outside of congress and the courts that can be used to force issues like this. She said the same thing with her climate plans and wealth tax stuff. In the event the Democrats win only one or neither chamber of Congress in 2020, then the plan is to do most of this outside of the legislature wherever possible and work on Congress next.</quote> Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. I hope the power of the executive branch is reigned in before a lunatic like Warren ends up misusing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:33:05 PM #29:	friendbuddypal posted... Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. I hope the power of the executive branch is reigned in before a lunatic like Warren ends up misusing it. Unfortunately the last several Republican presidents have set a poor standard for limits on executive power. So now someone like Warren will have many tools at their disposal when they enter office --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923835059] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>friendbuddypal posted...</cite> <quote>Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. I hope the power of the executive branch is reigned in before a lunatic like Warren ends up misusing it. </quote> Unfortunately the last several Republican presidents have set a poor standard for limits on executive power. So now someone like Warren will have many tools at their disposal when they enter office</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
friendbuddypal 06/25/19 4:34:35 PM #30:	Doom_Art posted... friendbuddypal posted... Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. I hope the power of the executive branch is reigned in before a lunatic like Warren ends up misusing it. Unfortunately the last several Republican presidents have set a poor standard for limits on executive power. So now someone like Warren will have many tools at their disposal when they enter office What are some examples of Republican presidents overreaching their authority? --- CIA: You're a big guy. Bane: For you. <cite>friendbuddypal posted [p:923835144] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>friendbuddypal posted...</cite> <quote>Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. I hope the power of the executive branch is reigned in before a lunatic like Warren ends up misusing it. </quote> Unfortunately the last several Republican presidents have set a poor standard for limits on executive power. So now someone like Warren will have many tools at their disposal when they enter office</quote> What are some examples of Republican presidents overreaching their authority?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:36:22 PM #31:	friendbuddypal posted... What are some examples of Republican presidents overreaching their authority? Read a book yo. I ain't your teacher Reagan, Bush, Bush 2, Trump Very authoritarian folks. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923835226] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>friendbuddypal posted...</cite> <quote>What are some examples of Republican presidents overreaching their authority? </quote> Read a book yo. I ain't your teacher Reagan, Bush, Bush 2, Trump Very authoritarian folks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:37:23 PM #32:	Regardless, the expansion of executive power over the last 40 years is another topic entirely. I'm just saying that is Warren's first step for achieving her policy goals --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923835284] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Regardless, the expansion of executive power over the last 40 years is another topic entirely. I'm just saying that is Warren's first step for achieving her policy goals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 4:37:32 PM #33:	Please dont turn this into a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the actual policy. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923835298] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Please dont turn this into a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the actual policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
friendbuddypal 06/25/19 4:38:57 PM #34:	Doom_Art posted... Read a book yo. I ain't your teacher So you don't have any examples? Shocking. --- CIA: You're a big guy. Bane: For you. <cite>friendbuddypal posted [p:923835360] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Read a book yo. I ain't your teacher </quote> So you don't have any examples? Shocking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 06/25/19 4:40:04 PM #35:	friendbuddypal posted... Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy. Not anymore. Not for the past three presidencies. I think the standard for what qualifies as bold has been kicked so far down the road, accusations of implementing a radical agenda can be plainly dismissed as bad faith hand-wringing. No matter what you do you're going to get the 'radical' critique from the right, and the conflict drives media ad revenue so CNN will find a way to a 'middle ground.' Knowing that's going to happen regardless, we shouldn't hold back for fear of what the other side will do. And we should get more comfortable dragging shitty reporting/punditry when we hear it, and not give a chance to seed in people's mind. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:923835402] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>friendbuddypal posted...</cite> <quote>Openly planning to legislate without the consent of the legislative branch is a bold strategy.</quote> Not anymore. Not for the past three presidencies. I think the standard for what qualifies as bold has been kicked so far down the road, accusations of implementing a radical agenda can be plainly dismissed as bad faith hand-wringing. No matter what you do you're going to get the 'radical' critique from the right, and the conflict drives media ad revenue so CNN will find a way to a 'middle ground.' Knowing that's going to happen regardless, we shouldn't hold back for fear of what the other side will do. And we should get more comfortable dragging shitty reporting/punditry when we hear it, and not give a chance to seed in people's mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:41:22 PM #36:	hollow_shrine posted... Not anymore. Not for the past three presidencies. I think the standard for what qualifies as bold has been kicked so far down the road, accusations of implementing a radical agenda can be plainly dismissed as bad faith hand-wringing. Not matter what you do you're going to get the 'radical' critique from the right, and the conflict drives media ad revenue so CNN will find a way to a 'middle ground.' Knowing that's going to happen regardless, we shouldn't hold back for fear of what the other side will do. And we should get more comfortable dragging shitty reporting/punditry when we hear it, and not give a chance to seed in people's mind. Yeah I mean it's not as though she is advocating for more powers for herself It more like "using the tools you are being given" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923835459] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Not anymore. Not for the past three presidencies. I think the standard for what qualifies as bold has been kicked so far down the road, accusations of implementing a radical agenda can be plainly dismissed as bad faith hand-wringing. Not matter what you do you're going to get the 'radical' critique from the right, and the conflict drives media ad revenue so CNN will find a way to a 'middle ground.' Knowing that's going to happen regardless, we shouldn't hold back for fear of what the other side will do. And we should get more comfortable dragging shitty reporting/punditry when we hear it, and not give a chance to seed in people's mind. </quote> Yeah I mean it's not as though she is advocating for more powers for herself It more like "using the tools you are being given"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SideshowBob311 06/25/19 4:41:31 PM #37:	King_Hellebuyck posted... This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against. I wouldn't oppose this particular measure in general...but if we have to have nutball Warren as a president to get it? Yeah, 100% not worth it. If someone more moderate wanted to run with this I'd be all for it. --- "Whether or not you can handle it, you have just heard another statement of the TRUTH." [WoT] - [Evil Republican] <cite>SideshowBob311 posted [p:923835470] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>This also seems like a funny thing to watch Republicans fight against.</quote> I wouldn't oppose this particular measure in general...but if we have to have nutball Warren as a president to get it? Yeah, 100% not worth it. If someone more moderate wanted to run with this I'd be all for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 06/25/19 4:42:20 PM #38:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Please dont turn this into a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the actual policy. In principles ethical, and democratic, the policy itself seems pretty unassailable. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:923835517] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Please dont turn this into a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the actual policy.</quote> In principles ethical, and democratic, the policy itself seems pretty unassailable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/25/19 4:42:58 PM #39:	Read thru post 3 so far, this is all completely agreeable stuff. Making voting a uniform process across the board is great. Same day reg and automatic sound great. I like what I'm seeing so far. Warren wasn't really on my radar but this has inspired me to read into her more. --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923835545] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Read thru post 3 so far, this is all completely agreeable stuff. Making voting a uniform process across the board is great. Same day reg and automatic sound great. I like what I'm seeing so far. Warren wasn't really on my radar but this has inspired me to read into her more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 4:43:24 PM #40:	On an another note, it's very encouraging that this along with SOCTUS reform are actually something that Democrats are talking about openly now. Mayor Pete was interviewed in the New Yorker a few months ago and had similar opinions to Warren on democratic reform (though obviously his ideas weren't as detailed) and went in on his own stuff about reforming the Supreme Court Very exciting stuff --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923835560] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>On an another note, it's very encouraging that this along with SOCTUS reform are actually something that Democrats are talking about openly now. Mayor Pete was interviewed in the New Yorker a few months ago and had similar opinions to Warren on democratic reform (though obviously his ideas weren't as detailed) and went in on his own stuff about reforming the Supreme Court Very exciting stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goats 06/25/19 4:44:35 PM #41:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Please dont turn this into a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the actual policy. That's HypnoCoosh's MO though. --- Sigless user alert <cite>Goats posted [p:923835631] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Please dont turn this into a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the actual policy.</quote> That's HypnoCoosh's MO though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 06/25/19 4:56:42 PM #42:	Republicans are totally fine with foreign interference, so no way you get them on board with this. --- Not posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:923836168] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Republicans are totally fine with foreign interference, so no way you get them on board with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 5:07:54 PM #43:	Pukelid posted... Read thru post 3 so far, this is all completely agreeable stuff. Making voting a uniform process across the board is great. Same day reg and automatic sound great. I like what I'm seeing so far. Warren wasn't really on my radar but this has inspired me to read into her more. Warren has been releasing a ton of detailed policy ideas, read up on them. Even if you dont fully agree with all of them, its so much better than vague thoughts. Doom_Art posted... Mayor Pete was interviewed in the New Yorker a few months ago and had similar opinions to Warren on democratic reform (though obviously his ideas weren't as detailed) and went in on his own stuff about reforming the Supreme Court Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923836667] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pukelid posted...</cite> <quote>Read thru post 3 so far, this is all completely agreeable stuff. Making voting a uniform process across the board is great. Same day reg and automatic sound great. I like what I'm seeing so far. Warren wasn't really on my radar but this has inspired me to read into her more.</quote> Warren has been releasing a ton of detailed policy ideas, read up on them. Even if you dont fully agree with all of them, its so much better than vague thoughts. <cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mayor Pete was interviewed in the New Yorker a few months ago and had similar opinions to Warren on democratic reform (though obviously his ideas weren't as detailed) and went in on his own stuff about reforming the Supreme Court</quote> Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 06/25/19 5:11:39 PM #44:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:923836838] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. </quote> Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 5:15:02 PM #45:	Doom_Art posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it. How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923836970] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. </quote> Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it.</quote> How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SideshowBob311 06/25/19 5:40:18 PM #46:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Doom_Art posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it. How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles? Democrats are always in favor of tinkering with the rules when it works in their favor and then are somehow outraged when the other side uses their tinkering as precedent to do same thing at some point in the future. They learned absolutely nothing with the 2013 senate filibuster stupidity. --- "Whether or not you can handle it, you have just heard another statement of the TRUTH." [WoT] - [Evil Republican] <cite>SideshowBob311 posted [p:923838037] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. </quote> Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it.</quote> How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles?</quote> Democrats are always in favor of tinkering with the rules when it works in their favor and then are somehow outraged when the other side uses their tinkering as precedent to do same thing at some point in the future. They learned absolutely nothing with the 2013 senate filibuster stupidity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/25/19 5:41:57 PM #47:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Doom_Art posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it. How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles? If the GOP thought that would help them, they wouldn't wait for Democrats to do it first. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:923838106] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. </quote> Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it.</quote> How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles?</quote> If the GOP thought that would help them, they wouldn't wait for Democrats to do it first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pukelid 06/25/19 5:45:01 PM #48:	Oh I'll definitely look into her plans. Love to read something concrete. When I get settled in I'll brush up; it's about time I do anyway. --- Hairistotle <cite>Pukelid posted [p:923838227] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>Oh I'll definitely look into her plans. Love to read something concrete. When I get settled in I'll brush up; it's about time I do anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 7:56:44 PM #49:	Antifar posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Doom_Art posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it. How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles? If the GOP thought that would help them, they wouldn't wait for Democrats to do it first. Thats not a real answer but speaks volumes about Buttigiegs plan. Not that I think youre a fan of him anyway. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923843931] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Buttigiegs Supreme Court plan is ripe for future abuse. </quote> Possibly, but frankly I'm just happy people are talking about it.</quote> How would you feel if, in 2017, Trump and McConnell decided the Supreme Court should have 15 seats? And then the GOP rammed 6 conservative judges into those roles?</quote> If the GOP thought that would help them, they wouldn't wait for Democrats to do it first.</quote> Thats not a real answer but speaks volumes about Buttigiegs plan. Not that I think youre a fan of him anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/25/19 11:23:27 PM #50:	bump --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:923852808] in Elizabeth ... [t:77818045]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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