Current Events > Mass Shooting survivor calls for everyone to have guns, end gun free zones.

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2
UnfairRepresent
06/26/19 6:52:04 PM
#1:


A Virginia Beach city employee has started a petition to allow civil servants to carry concealed firearms at work in the aftermath of a mass shooting that left 12 people dead last month.

Vincent Smith, an engineer who is also the evacuation manager in the building where the shooting took place, wants city officials to end the gun-free zone policy pertaining to municipal employees while at work. Current policy only allows the public to carry firearms in the municipal center.

"In the wake of recent tragic events, it has become abundantly apparent that this employee weapons possession ban must end," the petition reads. "Time and again we have tragically witnessed that gun-free zones are in fact some of the most dangerous and vulnerable places in America. We are petitioning to allow our properly permitted City personnel to have the right to bear arms and defend themselves while at work. Such arms will be required to remain concealed."

The petition had garnered nearly 2,600 signatures as of Wednesday evening.

Smith started a similar petition in 2016 after seeing what he deemed to be red flags in evacuation plans and security on city property. That petition received only 260 signatures, including Bert Snelling, a contractor killed in the May 31 shooting.

The gap was not "allowing employees to carry a firearm if they're qualified," he told WTKR-TV of perceived security lapses. "Instead, people were forced like I am every day to choose between earning a living and saving my life."

Smith envisions a program where the city vets employees wishing to bring firearms to work through background checks and psychological exams.

"I don't propose that every employee with a concealed permit be able to carry it at work," he told the news station.

DeWayne Craddock, 40, an engineer with the Virginia Beach utilities department, left a resignation letter hours before his May 31 rampage in which he opened fire on his co-workers. He was killed in a firefight with police.

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has called a special legislative session for July 9 to take up gun measures. He wants lawmakers to consider a ban on silencers -- like the one Craddock used to kill his 11 co-workers and Snelling --and universal background checks.


Full Article: https://www.foxnews.com/us/virginia-beach-city-employee-starts-petition-to-allow-employees-to-bring-firearms-to-work
0Dx71pA

Interesting stuff
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger
06/26/19 6:53:24 PM
#2:


bad take
---
-Only dead fish swim with the current
http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html
... Copied to Clipboard!
#3
Post #3 was unavailable or deleted.
#4
Post #4 was unavailable or deleted.
UnfairRepresent
06/26/19 6:55:01 PM
#5:


fenderbender321 posted...


Never rely on somebody or something else to keep you safe. Because you just can't.


So I take it you don't go to hospitals?
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret
06/26/19 6:55:20 PM
#6:


way ahead of ya buddy.
... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish
06/26/19 6:56:40 PM
#7:


Keeping soft targets soft does nothing to help anybody. Oh, anybody except for the guy coming in to shoot fish in a barrel.
---
Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say 'Golly gee, I can't do that"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada
06/26/19 6:59:10 PM
#8:


PRAY BIG

/caps
---
PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD
... Copied to Clipboard!
#9
Post #9 was unavailable or deleted.
UnfairRepresent
06/26/19 7:04:55 PM
#10:


ThePrinceFish posted...
Keeping soft targets soft does nothing to help anybody. Oh, anybody except for the guy coming in to shoot fish in a barrel.

Then how come the US is the only first world nation with such a epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings?

Most nations have even more fish stuck in barrels and they don't get shot..

Sounds like you're over simplifying to me
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
#11
Post #11 was unavailable or deleted.
RiKuToTheMiGhtY
06/26/19 7:19:59 PM
#12:


A person who actually learned (sadly the hard way) that gun free zones are a very bad thing.

This survivor is the kind of person who realized that people need a way to defend themselves from work place shooters.

I really hope this inspires others to start pushing back against gun free zones as they are only killing grounds that make highly appealing targets.
---
doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back.
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:26:37 PM
#13:


IRL: you get only "1 life to live", no take backs, no do-overs, no extra-lives.

The cost of failure could be "Your Life", "Permanent Disability", "Disfigurement", Loss/Injury of a loved one, etc.

You have 1 type of tool that levels the playing field between you and a Assailant.

Before the invention of the modern FireArm, all you had to do to get an advantage over somebody in a personal altercation was have a bladed implement, have more muscles, more martial arts training, more friends to help you win, more money to hire goons.

Now, no matter what the situation, you have a far better chance of survival and turning the tables on the assailant.

Yet they want you to surrend that ability to make themselves feel safe at the expense of your personal safety.

They tell you to rely on the police, the same police they have issues with, dislike, distrust, and hate on and say they can't be trusted.

The same police that the SCotUS has ruled that they don't have a specific duty to defend you as an individual, just society at large. So your safety is literally in "YOUR OWN HANDS". Don't expect the police to do something for you specifically.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

You'd be a fool to disarm yourselves when you can have the choice to arm yourselves.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral
06/26/19 7:27:39 PM
#14:


How come libs don't treat this guy as an authority figure on guns like they do with David Hogg?
---
- The Admiral
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:28:13 PM
#15:


The Admiral posted...
How come libs don't treat this guy as an authority figure on guns like they do with David Hogg?
Because it doesn't fit their political agenda / narative.

They don't want you to bear arms in any way shape or form; it makes it easier for their jack boots to stomp on your throats and tell you what to do, how to behave, how to live, and eradicate you should you displease their Ideology.

Diversity is all fine and good until it comes to Diversity of Thought. Away from their view points on everything in life.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
meralonne
06/26/19 7:30:47 PM
#16:


The Admiral posted...
How come libs don't treat this guy as an authority figure on guns like they do with David Hogg?

Because escalating arms races have always prevented violence from happening in the past, right?
---
"Sigs are for dorks."-- my wife
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:31:35 PM
#17:


meralonne posted...
The Admiral posted...
How come libs don't treat this guy as an authority figure on guns like they do with David Hogg?

Because escalating arms races have always prevented violence from happening in the past, right?
And laying down arms has kept everybody safe, right? Nope, plenty of people have been literally screwed over because they laid down arms.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
meralonne
06/26/19 7:32:22 PM
#18:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
meralonne posted...
The Admiral posted...
How come libs don't treat this guy as an authority figure on guns like they do with David Hogg?

Because escalating arms races have always prevented violence from happening in the past, right?
And laying down arms has kept everybody safe, right? Nope, plenty of people have been literally screwed over because they laid down arms.

Perfect reason to get out there and buy bump stocks. Im sold.
---
"Sigs are for dorks."-- my wife
... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral
06/26/19 7:32:49 PM
#19:


meralonne posted...
The Admiral posted...
How come libs don't treat this guy as an authority figure on guns like they do with David Hogg?

Because escalating arms races have always prevented violence from happening in the past, right?


Guns are a better defense against a mass shooter than a pacifist with good intentions.
---
- The Admiral
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:33:51 PM
#20:


The Admiral posted...
Guns are a better defense against a mass shooter than a pacifist with good intentions.
The Pacifist with Good Intentions who tries to calm down the Mass Shooter will always be the first to die.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain
06/26/19 7:33:56 PM
#21:


Imagine if everyone had guns. Lmao so many more people would die.
---
Without this nobody reads the last line of a post
Praise Lord Helix
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
06/26/19 7:35:08 PM
#22:


fenderbender321 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Keeping soft targets soft does nothing to help anybody. Oh, anybody except for the guy coming in to shoot fish in a barrel.

Then how come the US is the only first world nation with such a epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings?

Most nations have even more fish stuck in barrels and they don't get shot..

Sounds like you're over simplifying to me


why does it matter how people are being murdered?

You take away 100 gun murders and replace them with 100 knife murders, then what have we really accomplished outside of imposing whatever costs are associated with how we made that shift?

This is a fallacy

Going "There's no gun epidemic in Switzerland, Canada or Japan. Therefore those nations are equally violent only using pointed sticks!" is a non-sequitur.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:35:19 PM
#23:


ThunderTrain posted...
Imagine if everyone had guns. Lmao so many more people would die.
Funny, modern society has been more armed then ever, even more then anytime in history.

The # of guns sold to the public increases by millions every year.

Yet it's NOT bloody anarchy everywhere on the streets.

The number of issues has been going down over time.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff
06/26/19 7:35:40 PM
#24:


fenderbender321 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Keeping soft targets soft does nothing to help anybody. Oh, anybody except for the guy coming in to shoot fish in a barrel.

Then how come the US is the only first world nation with such a epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings?

Most nations have even more fish stuck in barrels and they don't get shot..

Sounds like you're over simplifying to me


why does it matter how people are being murdered?

You take away 100 gun murders and replace them with 100 knife murders, then what have we really accomplished outside of imposing whatever costs are associated with how we made that shift?


Yeah, those mass stabbings sure get wild
---
...
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:36:44 PM
#25:


UnfairRepresent posted...
This is a fallacy

Going "There's no gun epidemic in Switzerland, Canada or Japan. Therefore those nations are equally violent only using pointed sticks!" is a non-sequitur.
Yet we all know your intentions are to disarm everybody to make yourself feel safe.

We know what side of the debate you stand on.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
#26
Post #26 was unavailable or deleted.
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 7:38:13 PM
#27:


fusespliff posted...
Yeah, those mass stabbings sure get wild

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/28/727426277/2-killed-at-least-16-others-injured-in-japan-mass-stabbing

Fairly recent attack
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
06/26/19 7:45:47 PM
#28:


fusespliff posted...


Yeah, those mass stabbings sure get wild

I wouldn't joke.

China and the UK have had a lot of mass stabbings.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
#29
Post #29 was unavailable or deleted.
UnfairRepresent
06/26/19 8:00:30 PM
#30:


fenderbender321 posted...


If 50 people are killed by guns in one night by one person and then nobody is killed by guns any other day that month, then how is that worse than 50 people being killed by knives by multiple people each day in the span of a month as well? both result in 50 people dead per month.

But it's a fallacy to go "Becasue 50 people were shot this month in New York, that means 50 people were killed with pointed sticks in Berlin"

You're acting like this is a balance where every crime commited in the US is reflected equally elsewhere.

Not only is there zero logic behind that, it's flat out untrue.

It's immensely lazy irrational thinking
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/26/19 8:01:24 PM
#31:


fenderbender321 posted...
not that the volatility matters anyway.

If 50 people are killed by guns in one night by one person and then nobody is killed by guns any other day that month, then how is that worse than 50 people being killed by knives by multiple people each day in the span of a month as well? both result in 50 people dead per month.

It's just baffling the things people get hung up on. So many fallacies.
Yup, I concur.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2
06/26/19 8:03:29 PM
#32:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
The Admiral posted...
Guns are a better defense against a mass shooter than a pacifist with good intentions.
The Pacifist with Good Intentions who tries to calm down the Mass Shooter will always be the first to die.


that part is true, though that one guy who gave his life to save many did a heroic deed that day.
it was that school shooting month's ago.
---
The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of **** - Mike Tyson
... Copied to Clipboard!
#33
Post #33 was unavailable or deleted.
De Evolution
06/27/19 12:22:20 AM
#34:


UnfairRepresent posted...
fenderbender321 posted...


Never rely on somebody or something else to keep you safe. Because you just can't.


So I take it you don't go to hospitals?


Pray for safety, but row away from the rocks.

Using something doesn't mean you rely on it.

And he's also correct. It's been proven that police aren't even required to protect your life.

Anyone who relies on the government for defense is an utter fool. Cops arrive after the damage is done.
---
Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind.
... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy
06/27/19 12:24:41 AM
#35:


Hail Vincent!
---
"How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot? V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://i.imgtc.com/lyRboFN.jpg
... Copied to Clipboard!
0AbsoluteZero0
06/27/19 12:24:55 AM
#36:


fenderbender321 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Keeping soft targets soft does nothing to help anybody. Oh, anybody except for the guy coming in to shoot fish in a barrel.

Then how come the US is the only first world nation with such a epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings?

Most nations have even more fish stuck in barrels and they don't get shot..

Sounds like you're over simplifying to me


why does it matter how people are being murdered?

You take away 100 gun murders and replace them with 100 knife murders, then what have we really accomplished outside of imposing whatever costs are associated with how we made that shift?

Oh look, its time to pretend that knives are as lethal and effective as firearms for mass attacks again
---
-The Admirable
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
06/27/19 12:26:52 AM
#37:


fenderbender321 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
fenderbender321 posted...


If 50 people are killed by guns in one night by one person and then nobody is killed by guns any other day that month, then how is that worse than 50 people being killed by knives by multiple people each day in the span of a month as well? both result in 50 people dead per month.

But it's a fallacy to go "Becasue 50 people were shot this month in New York, that means 50 people were killed with pointed sticks in Berlin"

You're acting like this is a balance where every crime commited in the US is reflected equally elsewhere.

Not only is there zero logic behind that, it's flat out untrue.

It's immensely lazy irrational thinking


what? You are way off base from my point.

What is your point then
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44
06/27/19 12:32:32 AM
#38:


i would say more people need to also invest in ballistic vests. They are very affordable these days, and soft armor can fir under clothing and stop most pistol caliber threats in a shooting.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik
06/27/19 12:40:41 AM
#39:


I live in a country that doesn't really have to worry about mass shootings and I've never heard anyone say "this is why we need more knives" after a stabbing. America is weird.

But hey if people want America to be a place where everyone has to wear bullet proof vests and holster guns you do you. Don't think that's gonna work out too well.
---
Kind Regards,
Darmik
... Copied to Clipboard!
#40
Post #40 was unavailable or deleted.
#41
Post #41 was unavailable or deleted.
UnfairRepresent
06/27/19 5:21:10 PM
#42:


fenderbender321 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
fenderbender321 posted...


If 50 people are killed by guns in one night by one person and then nobody is killed by guns any other day that month, then how is that worse than 50 people being killed by knives by multiple people each day in the span of a month as well? both result in 50 people dead per month.

But it's a fallacy to go "Becasue 50 people were shot this month in New York, that means 50 people were killed with pointed sticks in Berlin"

You're acting like this is a balance where every crime commited in the US is reflected equally elsewhere.

Not only is there zero logic behind that, it's flat out untrue.

It's immensely lazy irrational thinking


what? You are way off base from my point.

What is your point then


that overall lives matter. So arguments should be framed accordingly. But lots of people don't.

No one is denying that lives matter. They want to take actions that save lives.

And right now the US is taking actions that result in mass death via gun violence.

You going "But you could be stabbed too!" isn't "defending the value of life." is ignoring the problem while more kids are shot
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/27/19 5:39:22 PM
#43:


UnfairRepresent posted...
And right now the US is taking actions that result in mass death via gun violence.
Again, you're misdirecting the instigator of the violence. A gun is an inanimate object and doesn't do anything by itself. It isn't sentient, it doesn't move on it's own. This is just you manipulating the people for your Anti-2A agenda.

It's Violent People assaulting & attacking others. No more, no Less.

The same person could've stolen a car and used it as a projectile in mass vehicular homicide, used a knife, created simple chemical bombs out of the anarchist cook book, etc.

The methodology doesn't really matter. What matters is that the person has the will, willingness, and drive to hurt others.

You're trying to magically say the violent action will disappear if you ban ___.

It won't, nothing will change the violence in their hearts unless you can deal with it at a fundamental level.

And all while you're doing it, you're infringing on law abiding citizens civil rights in doing so for your personal agenda.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
06/27/19 5:42:47 PM
#44:


KamenRiderBlade posted...

It's Violent People assaulting & attacking others. No more, no Less.

The same person could've stolen a car and used it as a projectile in mass vehicular homicide, used a knife, created simple chemical bombs out of the anarchist cook book, etc.

The methodology doesn't really matter. What matters is that the person has the will, willingness, and drive to hurt others.

Reminder: The US is the only nation with this problem.

The "If they mass school shooters didnt have guns they would jsut use pointed sticks and jam!" argument is coherant.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

You're trying to magically say the violent action will disappear if you ban ___.

It won't, nothing will change the violence in their hearts unless you can deal with it at a fundamental level.

And all while you're doing it, you're infringing on law abiding citizens civil rights in doing so for your personal agenda.

You're strawmanning.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/27/19 5:45:48 PM
#45:


UnfairRepresent posted...
You're strawmanning.
You're infringing.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Reminder: The US is the only nation with this problem.
Other places have shootings too, we're not the only nation. Australia was the most recent example.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret
06/27/19 5:47:24 PM
#46:


UnfairRepresent posted...
They want to take actions that save lives.
most of the actions they want to take wont save anyone and there is no study that shows it. "gun deaths go down!" while ignoring the uptick in stabbings, beatings, arson, home invasions, rape and robberies. this is statistically shown in every country that has had major gun control thats been pushed and any study in gun deaths is already largely pointless when most countries barely had any gun deaths to begin with. same thing with suicides which is what canada found out with their long gun registry experiment which had gun suicides being largely replaced through hangings.
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
06/27/19 5:54:14 PM
#47:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
You're strawmanning.
You're infringing.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Reminder: The US is the only nation with this problem.
Other places have shootings too, we're not the only nation. Australia was the most recent example.

I didn't say "shootings"
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/27/19 6:00:04 PM
#48:


UnfairRepresent posted...
I didn't say "shootings"
In your topic, you talked about "Mass Shooting".

America isn't the only place that has it.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent
06/27/19 6:04:50 PM
#49:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
I didn't say "shootings"
In your topic, you talked about "Mass Shooting".

America isn't the only place that has it.

In the same sense Japan isn't the only nation that reads Manga.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade
06/27/19 6:08:56 PM
#50:


UnfairRepresent posted...
In the same sense Japan isn't the only nation that reads Manga.
Manga has become a global export business that has touched almost every First World Country.

Sales are incredibly good for Manga.
---
Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2