Board 8 > I'm playing Xenogears... (spoilers)

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Anagram
07/11/19 10:28:15 PM
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How far am I into the game? I just got thrown into prison and met Rico.
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LeonhartFour
07/11/19 10:29:33 PM
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MartinFF7
07/11/19 10:45:14 PM
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This topic is now a Xenogears playthrough topic.

Please keep up the updates, Anagram... I think I've forgotten so much of the game, gotta replay it, damn!
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Uglyface2
07/11/19 11:45:24 PM
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I think this was one of the first RPGs where I simply stopped caring and stopped playing. I'm sorry, disc 2 was bad and the game needs a remake to fix that problem. (And also make the text move faster.)
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Brayze_II
07/11/19 11:54:16 PM
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Does imgur still work on gamefaqs? Important xenogears pic incoming

https://imgur.com/nYy74
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Anagram
07/12/19 12:01:12 AM
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MartinFF7 posted...
This topic is now a Xenogears playthrough topic.

Please keep up the updates, Anagram... I think I've forgotten so much of the game, gotta replay it, damn!

Honestly, that would just be me posting poorly translated dialogue the entire topic.

Uglyface2 posted...
I think this was one of the first RPGs where I simply stopped caring and stopped playing. I'm sorry, disc 2 was bad and the game needs a remake to fix that problem. (And also make the text move faster.)

I've heard disc 2 is extremely bad.
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MartinFF7
07/12/19 12:08:19 AM
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Disc 1 builds up enough good will.... either that, or you're in a sunk cost fallacy and need to see things through to the end. Still worth it!
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Nelson_Mandela
07/12/19 12:10:20 AM
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Still one of the 10 greatest games ever even unfinished
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LeonhartFour
07/12/19 12:11:06 AM
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I didn't think Disc 2 was all that bad, but they still made the right choice to invest more resources into FFVIII than properly finishing Xenogears.
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Anagram
07/12/19 12:24:09 AM
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"In battle, men and women are called different names. Males are called 'Battlers,' while females are called 'Amazonesses.'"

Diablo did this as well, an Amazon is already female, why add the -ess?
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Anagram
07/12/19 12:26:58 AM
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I feel like calling food "scrumdidliumpuous" is a little out of character for Fei.
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SwiftyDC
07/12/19 12:28:32 AM
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2nd favorite game, behind Persona 5.
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Uglyface2
07/12/19 12:39:54 AM
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metaIslug posted...
I beat Xenogears and don't remember much of it. Other than this

https://imgur.com/yZPJCz1


I worked out the system for that scene. When the Playstation starts to read the disc, stop moving and wait for the fight to load. That's not so helpful now since Anagram is probably playing a digital version, but there it is.

I also remember one other scene: He died for chu sins.
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Anagram
07/12/19 12:47:19 AM
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"Woman called Ms. Cohen"

Can you not just call her Ms. Cohen?
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Anagram
07/12/19 12:50:31 AM
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It's hard to tell how awkward Hammer is supposed to sound because the translation is always awkward.
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Anagram
07/12/19 11:58:30 AM
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Is there any reason to not just use the strongest deathblow you have besides learning new deathblows?
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07/14/19 9:19:21 PM
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I just realized Elly's gear produces hearts when it hits an enemy. I get that her gear has to be pink and slender because she's a girl, but come on.
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ninkendo
07/14/19 9:55:20 PM
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The only thing I remember from this game is there were several spots where I thought I was at the final boss and every time there was like another 10 hours of story that happened
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MartinFF7
07/14/19 10:05:09 PM
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How'd you find the Kislev Sewers?

I.... I remember that dungeon. Not for a good reason though.

Anagram posted...
Is there any reason to not just use the strongest deathblow you have besides learning new deathblows?

I don't remember but I don't think so? I think I remember always just using my strongest ones.
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Anagram
07/14/19 10:25:53 PM
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MartinFF7 posted...
How'd you find the Kislev Sewers?

I.... I remember that dungeon. Not for a good reason though.

Garbage.
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07/14/19 10:35:31 PM
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Anagram
07/14/19 11:02:23 PM
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The airship just crashed into the ocean after Bart shot it down. I'm like eighteen hours into this game, and Leon said the last major plot beat was still early into it.

I would kill for an option that increases text speed.
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_stingers_
07/14/19 11:25:45 PM
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i sometimes watch a guy that speedruns this game, and he plays with a fast text mod. definitely necessary lol
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Uglyface2
07/14/19 11:28:44 PM
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Anagram posted...
I would kill for an option that increases text speed.


Just wait. It gets worse.
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Leonhart4
07/14/19 11:29:30 PM
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Yeah, just pull up a chair and take a seat.
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Anagram
07/15/19 7:50:53 PM
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What exactly determines how quickly you learn new deathblows? I use the inputs for the deathblows before using them, but it doesn't seem to improve the speed at all, and characters seem to get points for deathblows they can't even learn yet.
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xp1337
07/15/19 10:22:13 PM
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Anagram posted...
What exactly determines how quickly you learn new deathblows? I use the inputs for the deathblows before using them, but it doesn't seem to improve the speed at all, and characters seem to get points for deathblows they can't even learn yet.

Skimmed an FAQ for this because I remember pretty much nothing about Xenogears' gameplay and uh...

It sounds like each deathblow has its own independent experience tracker and strictly speaking it doesn't require performing the inputs the deathblow has but the game thinks of button presses in 7 ways: T1, T2, T3, T4, S1, S2, and X. With the number being Triangle/Square and the 1-4 basically being the move number in the sequence, looping back to 1 after 4 (or X)

So like... TSX would read to the game as T1 -> S2 -> X and TTSX as T1 -> T2 -> S1 -> X.

Each deathblow wants a certain number of presses of those seven categories. Usually - but not always the ones the actual deathblow has.

For instance, apparently the programming is broke and the deathblow that uses pattern TSTX (in this parlance that would be T1, S2, T3, X) actually looks for experience in T1, T2, S1, and X. If you literally spammed the sequence of the deathblow, you'd never actually be registering a T2 or S1 hit but the game is dumb and wants those. Similar issue with the STTX sequence (this time the game wants T1, T2, S1, and X; but the actual sequence of STTX never has a T1 in it so you'd never get the T1 experience needed and learn the thing.)

Also, the "experience" it wants for each button press is not equal. Using TSX as an example again. It wants 190 T1 presses, 40 S2 presses, and 100 X presses. (Some characters learn faster than others, so it may be faster for some) as well as Level 30. You can learn it earlier but not use it until then cuz xenogears. However, on the percentage screen it treats them as equal so S2 comprises 33% of the bar even though T1 requires nearly 5 times more presses

Finally, if pressing X triggers a deathblow you have, other deathblows won't give you credit for pressing X there because I guess it considers deathblows special and not a regular button press idk.

if you are confused after reading this so am i. >_>
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Anagram
07/15/19 10:33:35 PM
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Thank you for that, but I'm just going to stop caring about that. I already finished all of Citan's and Bart's deathblows so far.

I've barely used Rico at all, he's so slow and he's no stronger than anyone else. Elly is isn't that good, either. Billy's okay, but his spells are great.
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07/16/19 6:09:22 AM
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You need the ether doubler accessory for Elly to be good. Otherwise she's mediocre
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07/16/19 11:56:33 AM
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_stingers_ posted...
You need the ether doubler accessory for Elly to be good. Otherwise she's mediocre

I remember seeing something like that at a store once, but it was way too expensive to buy.
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07/16/19 7:08:03 PM
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I've killed an hour in this stupid platforming section where I have to jump around trying to ascend a tower while a million random encounters that can't be escaped from happen. It's infuriating.
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LeonhartFour
07/16/19 7:10:13 PM
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Anagram posted...
I've killed an hour in this stupid platforming section where I have to jump around trying to ascend a tower while a million random encounters that can't be escaped from happen. It's infuriating.


literally the worst
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07/16/19 7:34:19 PM
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Jesus Christ I only just now finished that section and reached the save point. Had to blow through all of my MP items, I should've bought a million more.
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07/16/19 7:35:04 PM
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I should also say that I had Fei-Citan-Elly for that section, and Citan was useless against the enemies immune to physical attacks. Had I known, I'd have brought Billy.
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xp1337
07/16/19 7:35:58 PM
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lmao xenogears platforming.
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Uglyface2
07/16/19 8:02:40 PM
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Anagram posted...
I've killed an hour in this stupid platforming section where I have to jump around trying to ascend a tower while a million random encounters that can't be escaped from happen. It's infuriating.


There was a tell on the original Playstation where the disc started loading and if you stopped on a platform when that happened you wouldn't fall to the bottom. I suppose you lose that on a digital version.
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Anagram
07/16/19 8:13:43 PM
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Uglyface2 posted...
Anagram posted...
I've killed an hour in this stupid platforming section where I have to jump around trying to ascend a tower while a million random encounters that can't be escaped from happen. It's infuriating.


There was a tell on the original Playstation where the disc started loading and if you stopped on a platform when that happened you wouldn't fall to the bottom. I suppose you lose that on a digital version.

I'm playing on the PS1. I didn't use any tricks, though.
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07/16/19 9:11:13 PM
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Having trouble with this gear boss because I used a ton of gear resources just getting here.
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07/16/19 10:25:09 PM
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Currently saved in Shevat, about to talk to the queen. How far am I into this game?
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07/16/19 10:28:04 PM
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07/17/19 1:03:36 AM
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Thanks.
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07/17/19 1:03:45 AM
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Also, Maria seems useless so far.
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07/17/19 5:15:39 AM
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Anagram posted...
Also, Maria seems useless so far.

She's more there for her gear
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Anagram
07/17/19 12:30:47 PM
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"Let's get ready chu rumble"

That's the second "let's get ready to rumble" reference I've seen in two days.
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07/17/19 4:52:49 PM
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Okay, I'm in Nisan right now, and so far there've been two times when there's just narration? Am I crazy for thinking that there had been zero narration until Shevat? Because this game has established that it has zero problems with hour-long cutscenes where the plot slowly progresses, and now it's throwing narration at me that says "FEI DID THIS OFF-SCREEN YO"
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07/17/19 6:18:31 PM
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No, I'm just about to enter a cave with a gate in it.
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