Board 8 > New James Bond movie to star black female 007.

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I'm not sure why they should be making decisions on the sole basis of minimizing stupid online arguments. Controversy doesn't equal quality, but going out of your way to avoid it is how you get uninspired milquetoast bullshit.
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I think using different codenames for different character archetypes is a great idea
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foolm0r0n posted...

RyoCaliente posted...

The thing someone else wrote about just using different code numbers would've worked just fine.

Why? Are you too stupid to understand that 2 characters with the same codename are actually different? Do the writers really need to hand hold a bunch of adults through this incredibly simple concept?

No, I don't get the point of reusing 007 when marketing-wise it's always been about James Bond anyway. The only reason to do is, is not to put out a female action hero, but to say "Look, we can turn James Bond/007 into a woman, how progressive!!!"

This shouldn't be a sequel to Spectre, it should just be its own stand-alone thing. Or should we start a petition to make Charlie's Devils in the future as well?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

your only contributions to this topic have been making fun of people that disagree w this decision

So you do want me to have some sort of constructive debate with people who can tell two 007s apart. I literally can't though and it's not my fault. Just admit you misunderstood the article and got way too sensitive and outraged. It's better than arguing that a codename is confusing for you.
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do you think she'll be a womanizer?
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Little chance Lashana survives this movie. Either she's a Blofeld mole or gets killed off, prompting Bond to come out of retirement.

No way does the series continue without its main character.
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There is no reason for this topic to be 107 replies long. Regardless of her skin color.

This girl is a frickin' nobody and will remain that way - after this movie comes out.

RyoCaliente posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

RyoCaliente posted...

The thing someone else wrote about just using different code numbers would've worked just fine.

Why? Are you too stupid to understand that 2 characters with the same codename are actually different? Do the writers really need to hand hold a bunch of adults through this incredibly simple concept?

No, I don't get the point of reusing 007 when marketing-wise it's always been about James Bond anyway. The only reason to do is, is not to put out a female action hero, but to say "Look, we can turn James Bond/007 into a woman, how progressive!!!"

This shouldn't be a sequel to Spectre, it should just be its own stand-alone thing. Or should we start a petition to make Charlie's Devils in the future as well?

do you not understand that James Bond is still the main character of this movie
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ExThaNemesis posted...

like I disagree w the decision but don't feel the need to argue about it one way or another despite the decision going mostly against my ideology

honestly I don't think the ideological aspect is that important

disclaimer: insofar as "ideology" matters, I guess this lines up with my ideology because I think it's sweet to see more female action heroes. it's also obviously a big marketing stunt (1) to generate buzz like this topic and (2) because a random new franchise starring a random female action hero wouldn't get nearly as much attention.

but the really important thing is, is it a good movie? if it's good, then it's good. if it sucks, then that sucks. I get being skeptical of the premise but once the movie comes out, it's either going to stand or fall on its own merits as a movie, not based on ideology
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RyoCaliente posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

RyoCaliente posted...

The thing someone else wrote about just using different code numbers would've worked just fine.

Why? Are you too stupid to understand that 2 characters with the same codename are actually different? Do the writers really need to hand hold a bunch of adults through this incredibly simple concept?

No, I don't get the point of reusing 007 when marketing-wise it's always been about James Bond anyway. The only reason to do is, is not to put out a female action hero, but to say "Look, we can turn James Bond/007 into a woman, how progressive!!!"

This shouldn't be a sequel to Spectre, it should just be its own stand-alone thing. Or should we start a petition to make Charlie's Devils in the future as well?

...So you didnt actually read the article despite even having a chance to do so after initially being called on it. James Bond/Daniel Craig is still in this movie. Its still about him. He is still the main character. There is no female James Bond. The story is that he is retired, and thus there is somebody else taking over his spot in the 007 role/job. But its still about him. This is not turning James Bond into a woman, so you can stop having your panic attack that thought apparently puts you in
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Guys don't pile on Ryo he's a sensitive boi (I'm ok with Ryo tbh just digging at Ex)
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RyoCaliente posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

RyoCaliente posted...

The thing someone else wrote about just using different code numbers would've worked just fine.

Why? Are you too stupid to understand that 2 characters with the same codename are actually different? Do the writers really need to hand hold a bunch of adults through this incredibly simple concept?

No, I don't get the point of reusing 007 when marketing-wise it's always been about James Bond anyway. The only reason to do is, is not to put out a female action hero, but to say "Look, we can turn James Bond/007 into a woman, how progressive!!!"

This shouldn't be a sequel to Spectre, it should just be its own stand-alone thing. Or should we start a petition to make Charlie's Devils in the future as well?

How you could read this topic, and the articles, and still not understand what's happening is astounding
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But turning her into 007 is the problem. At that point, what's the point of having any history on the 007 name? If you inextricably link 007 to James Bond, you can have all of the other James Bonds (Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, Craig) be "canon" rather than just all belonging to the same person. It would create such a cool idea imo that all these secret agents actually have to be the womanizer/male dinosaur persona because that's what's being 007 (in-universe, not outside of it) is all about. If you then make 007 into a woman, the 007 doesn't mean anything. It's just a code-name, with no history attached to it, without legend. That'd be a shame.
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So youre upset that this tarnishes your vision of some history for the 007 code name that says You must be a womanizer above all else?

Weird hill to die on
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It's very plausible that the UK secret service requires a 2 year intensive course on womanizing before receiving a code name
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foolm0r0n posted...

So you do want me to have some sort of constructive debate with people who can tell two 007s apart. I literally can't though and it's not my fault. Just admit you misunderstood the article and got way too sensitive and outraged. It's better than arguing that a codename is confusing for you.

I didn't even read the article tbh

i didn't get sensitive or outraged but I will give you this one
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RyoCaliente posted...

If you inextricably link 007 to James Bond, you can have all of the other James Bonds (Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, Craig) be "canon" rather than just all belonging to the same person. It would create such a cool idea imo that all these secret agents actually have to be the womanizer/male dinosaur persona because that's what's being 007 (in-universe, not outside of it) is all about.

this is the biggest insult to the Bond mythos that I can think of

that none of the Bonds (except maybe the first) were actually womanizers/etc., they were just faking it because it's a job requirement
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I mean, arguing about Bond canon is silly, but everything pre-Craig is meant to be one person. Lazenby Bond cradles memorabilia from Connery Bond's adventures, Brosnan Bond has a dead wife with the same name as Lazenby Bond's, etc.
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Pre-Craig Bond was clearly a Time Lord.
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if all the Bonds were different dudes why do they even need the 007 codename... obviously James Bond would be a codename then too, unless you think there were a bunch of womanizing dudes with the same name who happened to become spies.
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RyoCaliente posted...

It's just a code-name, with no history attached to it, without legend. That'd be a shame.

Huh.

That's an interesting take I guess.

I disagree a lot because of, you know, 24 films of history, but sure.
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