Board 8 > The Inaugural BIGE Winner is ... Cuphead! | Final Results and Discussion

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MetalmindStats
07/20/19 10:39:26 PM
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Did you enjoy Best Indie Game Ever? - Results (5 votes)
I loved it! The crazy results and your unpredictable hosting created an air of delightful chaos!
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Yes, but I was hoping it would all be a bit more predictable.
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Yes, but I wish my favorites had fared better.
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I liked it, but I wish you had used Bracketmaker for the bracket.
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It was fun, but it would have been nice if you had stuck to a consistent hosting schedule.
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I enjoyed it, but I would have liked a proper definition of what consistutes an indie game.
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I have no real opinion about it one way or the other; it just existed for me.
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The premise was good, but you let it down with your hosting.
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I hated it, so don't waste your time with any sort of follow-up.
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I don't even know what this topic is how did I get here
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Final Results:

By a rather anticlimactic 18-11 margin, Cuphead has emerged victorious. Perhaps this was in the cards from the moment Cuphead doubled Dead Cells as the lower seed in their match. Later, Cuphead beat Obra Dinn to stamp its finals spot after the latter tripled its Round 3 opponent, a game that had won two contentious upset victories. It's just surprising that the best the seemingly stacked top half could muster ultimately fell short of quite a few bottom half games. On that note, I'll post some (LOL) X-Stats soon.

Congratulations are also in order to malyg, whose prediction prevailed by one point despite mustering a mere 72/192 possible points and 32/64 correct picks (the second lowest of all predictions).

For posterity, here's the full bracket: https://challonge.com/B8BIGE

And the previous discussion topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77765463

Thank you to everyone who voted in this contest, and especially those of you who made the previous discussion topic a bit more lively. A special thank you to Zen, who has kept me going every step of the way. Make sure to check out his Most Quotable wrap-up topic and give him some contest suggestions here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77874428

Now, where do we go from here? I do plan to run a second bout of Best Indie Game Ever eventually, but not as an annualized contest a la Most Quotable. I'm also interested in hosting another bracket contest later this year; if anyone has any ideas they would like to see me tackle, please suggest them here.
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FBike1
07/20/19 10:40:19 PM
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Undertale should have lost in round 1.
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UF8
07/20/19 10:42:10 PM
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Woo last place

This contest sucked
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Johnbobb
07/20/19 10:51:29 PM
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I think the important thing to note

Play Return of the Obra Dinn if you haven't already
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Raka_Putra
07/20/19 10:53:09 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1XKwAr-gA" data-time="

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Mythiot
07/20/19 11:48:59 PM
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Pretty fun contest, with a respectable winner. Best Story might make for an interesting contest.
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ZenOfThunder
07/20/19 11:56:15 PM
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this was a great contest metalmind, thank you for running it! I really enjoyed following it despite not being too crazy into indie games.

can't wait for the x-stats!

also yeah Best Story would be a dope contest idea but something tells me a lot of noms would be visual novels that not everyone has played. We'd also probably see an easy Phoenix Wright T&T win.
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MetalmindStats
07/20/19 11:58:45 PM
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LOL X-Stats, using the full scores for tiebreakers:

1. 50.00% Cuphead
2. 48.00% Return of the Obra Dinn
3. 46.67% Night in the Woods
4. 45.71% Hollow Knight
5. 41.07% Doom (1993)
6. 40.00% Ori and the Blind Forest
7. 37.93% Cave Story
8. 37.64% Super Meat Boy
9. 35.71% RollerCoaster Tycoon
10. 35.48% Doki Doki Literature Club!
11. 35.22% Shovel Knight
12. 35.01% Stardew Valley
13. 32.53% Katawa Shoujo
14. 32.18% Undertale
15. 31.58% Dead Cells
16. 31.26% Journey
17. 31.15% Celeste
18. 31.11% Rogue Legacy
19. 30.81% What Remains of Edith Finch
20. 30.78% VVVVVV
21. 29.47% Bastion
22. 28.90% Pyre
23. 28.80% Papers, Please
24. 28.18% The Stanley Parable
25. 28.01% Terraria
26. 27.83% To the Moon
27. 27.08% VA-11 Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartender Action
28. 26.99% A Hat in Time
29. 26.67% Braid (t)
29. 26.67% Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale (t)
31. 26.33% Divinity: Original Sin II
32. 24.62% Rocket League
33. 24.57% INSIDE
34. 23.33% Plants vs. Zombies
35. 22.86% Hotline Miami
36. 22.85% Spelunky
37. 21.96% The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
38. 21.82% Baba is You
39. 21.79% PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate
40. 21.06% Oxenfree
41. 21.05% La-Mulana 2
42. 20.87% Freedom Planet
43. 20.60% Princess Remedy in a World of Hurt
44. 20.11% FTL: Faster Than Light
45. 19.75% Fez
46. 19.52% Antichamber
47. 18.70% Crypt of the NecroDancer
48. 18.42% Hypnospace Outlaw
49. 18.29% Iconoclasts
50. 17.61% Guacamelee!
51. 17.44% Minecraft
52. 17.14% Axiom Verge
53. 16.20% The Witness
54. 15.38% Iji
55. 14.22% Furi
56. 14.07% La-Mulana
57. 12.80% Deltarune
58. 12.70% Into the Breach
59. 10.53% Hexcells Infinite
60. 9.97% Yume Nikki
61. 9.93% Rivals of Aether
62. 9.82% Transistor
63. 5.13% Rabi-Ribi
64. 3.84% Wandersong

Yes, that's the top six games all in the bottom half, which looked weaker at the outset. Can anyone tell me with any confidence what happened here, or is analyzing these stats in any depth just a fool's errand?
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LadyVyxx
07/21/19 12:08:27 AM
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Mythiot posted...
Pretty fun contest, with a respectable winner. Best Story might make for an interesting contest.


Agreed.

Cuphead deserved it, celeste did as well but...
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Mythiot
07/21/19 12:15:58 AM
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Best Story in Gaming, since including inherently story driven media would be pretty overwhelming.
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Mythiot
07/21/19 12:19:15 AM
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ZenOfThunder posted...
also yeah Best Story would be a dope contest idea but something tells me a lot of noms would be visual novels that not everyone has played. We'd also probably see an easy Phoenix Wright T&T win.

That's the point of pre-nomination rounds, and if people are unfamiliar with them, then they'd have a disadvantage in the proper contest, as with pretty much every contest.

And you never know what the winner is going to be. I didn't see Cuphead winning this one.
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Hbthebattle
07/21/19 1:28:45 AM
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I don't know what really happened in the last match. I'd have thought the top half of games were stronger and they had the higher vote turnout most of the contest.
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Mac Arrowny
07/21/19 3:20:23 AM
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Is there a list of all the games in the contest?

Also feels like Cave Story overperformed in a few matches and then performed poorly in the final. That'd be my guess for stats oddities.
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MrSmartGuy
07/21/19 5:13:03 AM
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Those X-Stats provide a really solid ranking, actually.

The only real oddities I see, given what I've perceived B8 to like before this contest, are Into The Breach so low and Rogue Legacy so high (and that's speaking as someone who's put like 60 hours into Rogue Legacy).
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ben10kenobi
07/21/19 5:42:21 AM
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Placed 4th.. Yay?

Really fun contest although the winner was disappointing, personally - especially as it inflicted a blowout in the finals against a top 5 indie game for me. Then again I didn't expect Cave Story to get nearly as far so that was a nice surprise!

And yeah, Best Story would be cool to see - it would probably have higher votals and support too.

thanks for running the contest!
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Mac Arrowny
07/21/19 12:42:05 PM
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Ranking the games I've played (games are also ranked within tiers):

Amazing
Ori and the Blind Forest
Crypt of the NecroDancer
Katawa Shoujo
Dead Cells
Super Meat Boy

Great
Rogue Legacy
Celeste
A Hat in Time
Doki Doki Literature Club!

Good Stuff
Hotline Miami
Undertale
What Remains of Edith Finch
Into the Breach
Guacamelee!
Journey
Hollow Knight
Fez
Return of the Obra Dinn

Solid Games
Braid
The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
Cave Story

Mediocre
INSIDE
VVVVVV
Shovel Knight
RollerCoaster Tycoon
Wandersong
Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale
Iconoclasts

Bad
Cuphead
Spelunky
Bastion
Transistor

Abysmal
The Stanley Parable
Night in the Woods

I've played a little bit of Doom, but not enough to remember it. Other than Doom, Stardew Valley is the highest ranked game I haven't played in the stats.
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LadyVyxx
07/21/19 2:14:24 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Ranking the games I've played (games are also ranked within tiers):

Amazing
Ori and the Blind Forest
Crypt of the NecroDancer
Katawa Shoujo
Dead Cells
Super Meat Boy

Great
Rogue Legacy
Celeste
A Hat in Time
Doki Doki Literature Club!

Good Stuff
Hotline Miami
Undertale
What Remains of Edith Finch
Into the Breach
Guacamelee!
Journey
Hollow Knight
Fez
Return of the Obra Dinn

Solid Games
Braid
The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
Cave Story

Mediocre
INSIDE
VVVVVV
Shovel Knight
RollerCoaster Tycoon
Wandersong
Recettear: An Item Shop's Tale
Iconoclasts

Bad
Cuphead
Spelunky
Bastion
Transistor

Abysmal
The Stanley Parable
Night in the Woods

I've played a little bit of Doom, but not enough to remember it. Other than Doom, Stardew Valley is the highest ranked game I haven't played in the stats.


How on earth would you call cuphead a bad game?
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Mac Arrowny
07/21/19 2:19:04 PM
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I didn't have fun playing it.
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Mythiot
07/21/19 3:06:50 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Abysmal
The Stanley Parable
Night in the Woods

This ain't it, chief.
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MetalmindStats
07/22/19 10:02:07 AM
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To be fair, (and as much as it resonated with me) Night in the Woods is definitely not a game for everyone, and Mac has already explained their perfectly valid reason for hating it elsewhere. I can't comment on The Stanley Parable, since I have shamefully never played it.
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tazzyboyishere
07/22/19 10:22:44 AM
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MetalmindStats posted...
64. 3.84% Wandersong

bad contest
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malyg
07/22/19 11:24:20 AM
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mine was just a favs bracket lol, cave story is probs my fav indie game tho so explains why it scored so high.
really wasn't expecting it to go as far as it did.
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TomNook
07/22/19 5:42:13 PM
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Excellent winner. One of my favorites in the contest.

LadyVyxx posted...
How on earth would you call cuphead a bad game?

You have to be able to see why people wouldn't like it though. Most people aren't used to a higher difficulty ceiling or that genre, and they wouldn't really want to set aside time to learning the fights.
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