Poll of the Day > Which is better for profit? War or Peace?

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Unbridled9
07/22/19 12:45:02 AM
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Which is better for making the money? - Results (7 votes)
War is better for profit!
28.57% (2 votes)
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Peace is better for profit!
14.29% (1 vote)
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Both!
28.57% (2 votes)
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Money and wealth are evil and we should abolish them.
28.57% (2 votes)
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Which is the better state of affairs to acquire wealth?
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Sahuagin
07/22/19 1:15:16 AM
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as far as I know, war is a lot better for profit, unfortunately. wouldn't mind being wrong though.
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streamofthesky
07/22/19 1:15:16 AM
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Peace is better, for the overall economy.

But war is very very lucrative for specific portions of the economy.
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fishy071
07/22/19 1:16:02 AM
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Actually, we should try to maintain peace without the question of money.
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Sahuagin
07/22/19 1:16:07 AM
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stp yay I guess
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Zeus
07/22/19 1:17:09 AM
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Peace, obviously. War only benefits a small number of sectors while disrupting supply and interfering with the customer-base. Capitalism has been the most democratizing force in the world largely *because* it's more profitable to do business with other nations than to fight them.
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Sahuagin
07/22/19 1:24:03 AM
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Zeus posted...
Peace, obviously. War only benefits a small number of sectors while disrupting supply and interfering with the customer-base. Capitalism has been the most democratizing force in the world largely *because* it's more profitable to do business with other nations than to fight them.

"war" doesn't mean "war with everyone". you can have all of your trade neighbours and still be at war with someone not worth being friends with.

afaik, our modern economy goes back and forth between stagnating and being kickstarted by the next major conflict (or semi-manufactured threat)
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streamofthesky
07/22/19 1:35:06 AM
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Zeus posted...
Peace, obviously. War only benefits a small number of sectors while disrupting supply and interfering with the customer-base. Capitalism has been the most democratizing force in the world largely *because* it's more profitable to do business with other nations than to fight them.

Capitalism and democracy are not the same thing, or even in the same category. One is an economic system and the other a form of governance.

Russia and China have capitalist economies, the latter being rather successful at it, and are not democracies.
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ChaosAzeroth
07/22/19 1:43:37 AM
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fishy071 posted...
Actually, we should try to maintain peace without the question of money.


True, but some people of wealth/power seem to only understand things in terms of profit unfortunately.
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LinkPizza
07/22/19 1:47:45 AM
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Depends on what youre selling...
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Xfma100
07/22/19 1:58:13 AM
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Sahuagin posted...
Zeus posted...
Peace, obviously. War only benefits a small number of sectors while disrupting supply and interfering with the customer-base. Capitalism has been the most democratizing force in the world largely *because* it's more profitable to do business with other nations than to fight them.

"war" doesn't mean "war with everyone". you can have all of your trade neighbours and still be at war with someone not worth being friends with.

afaik, our modern economy goes back and forth between stagnating and being kickstarted by the next major conflict (or semi-manufactured threat)


Tbf, war can be extremely bad for making a profit if you're on on the losing side...
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Mead
07/22/19 2:03:11 AM
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War is a great boost to the victors
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SkynyrdRocker
07/22/19 10:10:42 AM
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Peace sells but who's buying?
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Zeus
07/22/19 3:28:10 PM
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Sahuagin posted...
Zeus posted...
Peace, obviously. War only benefits a small number of sectors while disrupting supply and interfering with the customer-base. Capitalism has been the most democratizing force in the world largely *because* it's more profitable to do business with other nations than to fight them.

"war" doesn't mean "war with everyone". you can have all of your trade neighbours and still be at war with someone not worth being friends with.

afaik, our modern economy goes back and forth between stagnating and being kickstarted by the next major conflict (or semi-manufactured threat)


More trading partners means more opportunities for profit. Unless you're going into war to stifle a competitor, it's generally going to be more profitable to engage in trading than war. And, as a general rule, unless you're taking spoils from the war (ie, claiming land and valuables), war by itself can't generate a profit and industry gains tend to be offset by national debt. (Of course, back when taking spoils was an accepted practice, the government merely needed to sanction "adventurers" who form private militias to attack foreign nations and essentially claim land, valuables, etc, which they would keep but it'd become US soil. The concept is similar to the better-known privateer system.)

streamofthesky posted...
Zeus posted...
Peace, obviously. War only benefits a small number of sectors while disrupting supply and interfering with the customer-base. Capitalism has been the most democratizing force in the world largely *because* it's more profitable to do business with other nations than to fight them.

Capitalism and democracy are not the same thing, or even in the same category. One is an economic system and the other a form of governance.

Russia and China have capitalist economies, the latter being rather successful at it, and are not democracies.


And technically the US is a republic rather than a democracy. However, that doesn't change the fact that free markets improve the freedoms within a nation (as seen in BOTH Russia and China) and that capitalism has been a driving force in building democratic systems. Keep in mind that social media is largely credited with facilitating events like the Arab Spring. Conversely, the most repressive regimes in the world are the ones that don't engage in capitalism
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Firewerx
07/22/19 4:00:31 PM
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Didn't the industrial economy of the United States have one of the world's most dynamic growth rates between the end of the Civil War and World War 1 -- a period when most of the conflicts in which Americans fought were minor internal or regional ones?

Competition produces innovation, change and growth, but the impulse that drove American creativity and prosperity in the 19th century and into the first decade of the 20th was surely not the military conquest of territories but the peaceful conquest of markets.
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ArvTheGreat
07/22/19 4:01:18 PM
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argonautweakend
07/22/19 4:04:02 PM
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I'm thinking....

war can profit some individuals and nations immensely.

peace can profit everybody a little bit or a little more.

I'm going with peace.
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ArvTheGreat
07/22/19 4:06:36 PM
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when theres peace no more war and strategies and better performance weapons. aliens will enslave every one of you of course arv will remain calm and side with the aliens of course
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argonautweakend
07/22/19 4:09:50 PM
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wil you vote for kodos or kang, arv?
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ArvTheGreat
07/22/19 4:10:55 PM
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obviously kodos
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TigerTycoon
07/22/19 4:14:33 PM
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Depends on who we're talking about.

A lot of companies profit off of war.

However, it's a huge drain on a counties resources.

But we live in an era were nobody seems to actually care about their country being in massive debt unless support is pulled like Greece.
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Unbridled9
07/23/19 4:22:35 AM
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Seems like people believe war is better for making money. For the Profit!
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AllstarSniper32
07/23/19 4:39:33 AM
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SkynyrdRocker posted...
Peace sells but who's buying?

You take a mortal man!
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SkynyrdRocker
07/23/19 8:44:49 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Peace sells but who's buying?

You take a mortal man!

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AllstarSniper32
07/23/19 2:34:49 PM
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SkynyrdRocker posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Peace sells but who's buying?

You take a mortal man!

This morning I made the call, the one that ends it all

Until all is lost personal holocaust!
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gguirao
07/23/19 2:42:54 PM
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Peace is better in the long run. In times of peace, more people can buy more of what they actually want instead of spending money on specific goods.
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wwinterj25
07/23/19 2:53:54 PM
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War probably.
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captpackrat
07/23/19 8:21:49 PM
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The 34th Rule of Acquisition: War is good for business.

The 35th Rule of Acquisition: Peace is good for business.
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Smiffwilm
07/23/19 8:27:12 PM
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Semi-relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgUA1tluVmE" data-time="


-edit- ninja'd by the above post lol.

So here's a finer moment of Quark for all of you:
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SkynyrdRocker
07/23/19 8:34:04 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Peace sells but who's buying?

You take a mortal man!

This morning I made the call, the one that ends it all

Until all is lost personal holocaust!

Killed a few feet from the cages point-blank, you're so courageous!
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SunWuKung420
07/23/19 8:48:06 PM
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Profit is useless if war destroys us. Peace can exist without profit.
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captpackrat
07/23/19 9:03:29 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk" data-time="

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SkynyrdRocker
07/23/19 9:04:01 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Profit is useless if war destroys us. Peace can exist without profit.

Oh shit you're back
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darkknight109
07/23/19 9:15:35 PM
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I don't get why anyone is answering war.

Like... the US dropped around 10 trillion into two wars last decade that weren't even particularly large or fought on home turf, and people still think it's a profitable venture? For srs?
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Judgmenl
07/23/19 9:22:48 PM
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Why not both?
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The_tall_midget
07/23/19 9:25:28 PM
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Depends.

As much as people do not like speaking about it, war has allowed humanity to make ridiculous advances in many fields... Even if the means were sometimes extremely unethical.

Peace allows great advancement, yes, but it also comes with people becoming lax and unfortunately allows the installment of many social behaviors which are terrible as far as humanity goes.
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Yellow
07/23/19 9:38:52 PM
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It's definitely profitable for most politicians' donors. And Fox's, MSNBC's, and CNN's backers.

And that's why we vote for Bernie.
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Doctor Foxx
07/23/19 10:40:36 PM
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Of the top 5 U.S. employers, 3 are U.S. military branches.

I don't know that I'd call war profitable, but the U.S. has a lot more invested in conflict than peace.
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zebatov
07/23/19 11:00:59 PM
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Is that even a question?

This is the reason the US broke its treaty with Japan and forced Japan to attack Pearl Harbour. The US knew Japan would take the bait which would enable the US to join also in Europe. More war = more production of war shit.
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darkknight109
07/24/19 1:33:48 AM
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zebatov posted...
Is that even a question?

This is the reason the US broke its treaty with Japan and forced Japan to attack Pearl Harbour. The US knew Japan would take the bait which would enable the US to join also in Europe. More war = more production of war shit.

The US debt also saw it's largest spike (in terms of percentage of GDP) ever after joining the war, so the economic benefit there was questionable, to say the least. The US was also in the unique position of fighting the war despite having little-to-no risk of damage on domestic soil.

World War II being profitable is a great story, as long as you don't look at literally any country other than America.
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Mead
07/24/19 1:37:24 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
I don't get why anyone is answering war.

Like... the US dropped around 10 trillion into two wars last decade that weren't even particularly large or fought on home turf, and people still think it's a profitable venture? For srs?


Its not like that money disappears into the nether though

It goes to all sorts of private companies like Halliburton and whatnot which gives war lobbyists even more sway to bribe politicians

Our country is transparently corrupt to an almost hilarious extent
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Unbridled9
07/24/19 3:28:39 AM
#43:


captpackrat posted...
The 34th Rule of Acquisition: War is good for business.

The 35th Rule of Acquisition: Peace is good for business.


Took people long enough.
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darkknight109
07/24/19 5:38:47 AM
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Mead posted...
Its not like that money disappears into the nether though

Depends entirely on whether you're on the winning side or not.

If you spend millions of dollars on a munitions factory that gets blown up by your enemy, yeah, that money effectively did "disappear into the nether". And while the contractor might have made some money, if their head office gets flattened in the same strike they effectively didn't make a profit either.
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MirMiros
07/26/19 10:11:36 AM
#45:


A real businessman can make a profit in both wartime and peace.
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captpackrat
07/26/19 11:16:15 AM
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Top 20 companies worldwide by arms sales (2015)

Booz Allen Hamilton: $3.9 billion
United Shipbuilding: $4.51 billion
Bechtel: $4.6 billion
United Aircraft: $4.61 billion
Rolls Royce: $4.79 billion
Harris: $4.92 billion
Safran: $5.02 billion
Almaz-Antey: $6.62 billion
Huntington Ingalls Industries: $6.74 billion
Thales: $8.1 billion
L3 Communications: $8.77 billion
Finmeccanica: $9.3 billion
United Technologies: $9.5 billion
Airbus Group: $12.86 billion
General Dynamics: $19.24 billion
Northrop Grumman: $20.06 billion
Raytheon: $21.78 billion
BAE Systems: $25.51 billion
Boeing: $27.96 billion
Lockheed Martin: $36.44 billion

Total sales of just the top 20 defense contractors: $245,230,000,000
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Unbridled9
07/26/19 7:12:02 PM
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Rolls Royce: $4.79 billion

Just let me ride up to my enemy in my Rolls Royce tank!
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captpackrat
07/26/19 7:23:15 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
Rolls Royce: $4.79 billion

Just let me ride up to my enemy in my Rolls Royce tank!

They make engines for jet fighters and nuclear power plants for submarines.
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