Poll of the Day > Trump is KICKING 3 MILLION people off FOOD STAMPS cause they can get JOBS!!!

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Full Throttle
07/23/19 10:02:39 PM
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Do you support kicking people off food stamps because of a "strong economy" where they can get jobs to pay for their own food? - Results (19 votes)
Yes
36.84% (7 votes)
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No
63.16% (12 votes)
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The Racist Administration will propose a new rule to tighten food stamp restrictions that will cut out 3.1 MILLION people off the program as he wants poor people to PROVE they can't afford food as this will save 15 BILLION from the budget where Trump is finding ways to save money to pay for his massive spending programs after his massive tax cut to the rich!!

43 States allow residents to be automatically eligible for food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program where they receive benefits from the federal program known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

They want people who receive benefits to pass a REVIEW of their own income and assets to determine if they really need it

This would save the gov't, 2.5 billion a year by removing people from SNAP

He said that people don't need this anymore because of a STRONG ECONOMY and low unemployment and thinkt hey should be able to get a good JOB to pay for their own food.

USDA Secretary Sonny Perdue said "Some states are taking advantage of loopholes that allow people to receive SNAP Benefits who would otherwise not quality and not entitled"

Nancy Pelosi SLAMMED the move as "callousness" and that the "administrations latest act of staggering callouneness would steal food off the table of working families and hungry children and dismantle proven pathways out of poverty for millions. This proposal perfectly showcases the Republicans' cynical special interest agenda that gives billion dollar handouts to big corporations and the wealthy few and steals from children, veterans, seniors and working families to make up the difference"

A Trump backed effort failed to pass through Congress last year but this one doesn't need approval to stop states from automatically allowing recipients of TANF benefits to become eligible for SNAP

Do you support kicking people off food stamps because of a "strong economy" where they can get jobs to pay for their own food?

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Taily_Po
07/23/19 10:05:10 PM
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If nothing else, it should be an interesting experiment.
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blibber1
07/23/19 10:11:47 PM
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Most of the recipients are in red states anyway. Let's see how quickly they turn against the orange tumor when they start to starve.
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sodium-chloride
07/23/19 10:19:05 PM
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This just in, all crime is made legal!

Taily_Po posted...
If nothing else, it should be an interesting experiment.
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Lirishae
07/23/19 10:29:50 PM
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Republicans pretending to care about saving money is just lol. They've passed a $4 trillion dollar budget and ballooned the debt to $22.5 trillion dollars. $2.5 billion dollars isn't even a drop in the bucket, it's a subatomic particle in the bucket. They're perfectly happy to pay for wars, corporate welfare, bailouts for Trump's base, and tax cuts for the rich, but the second you start talking about spending money on the poor & working class, they start crying about how we can't afford it.
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ClarkDuke
07/23/19 10:35:32 PM
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Taily_Po posted...
If nothing else, it should be an interesting experiment.

the lives of your fellow human beings shouldn't be seen as an, "interesting experiment", ok?
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BlackScythe0
07/23/19 10:40:29 PM
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So he wants to kick boone county off food stamps when they voted primarily for him.

Odd decision.
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ClarkDuke
07/23/19 10:46:54 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
So he wants to kick boone county off food stamps when they voted primarily for him.

Odd decision.

they're masochist, of course it will work, ok?
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deadpigs101
07/24/19 7:07:08 PM
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I notice the girl using the food stamp card had enough money to afford that shirt, she clearly has enough money for food
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GastroFan
07/24/19 7:58:21 PM
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Lirishae posted...
Republicans pretending to care about saving money is just lol. They've passed a $4 trillion dollar budget and ballooned the debt to $22.5 trillion dollars. $2.5 billion dollars isn't even a drop in the bucket, it's a subatomic particle in the bucket. They're perfectly happy to pay for wars, corporate welfare, bailouts for Trump's base, and tax cuts for the rich, but the second you start talking about spending money on the poor & working class, they start crying about how we can't afford it.


I agree. Look at Rand Paul's argument about giving the 9/11 first responders money; it was all about "not increasing the federal deficit" when they increased it by giving the top 1% a permanent tax cut. Of course children of the poor and middle class, who were given a tax cut that expires when Trump leaves office, will be cussing out their parents who sold them down the river for thirty pieces of silver for generations to come.
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SmokeMassTree
07/24/19 8:02:08 PM
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Good
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SunWuKung420
07/24/19 8:02:43 PM
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At least it's more apparent that Mr. Trump doesn't actually care about Americans or human beings for that matter.
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07/24/19 8:13:56 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Good

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The_tall_midget
07/24/19 8:19:18 PM
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Good.

Get a job, stop mooching welfare, and stop being useless to society. No, I don't care which side of the fence you are: stop being useless. And stop being fat while you're at it. And don't sugarcoat it because you'll eat it as well.
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Broken_Zeus
07/24/19 8:22:11 PM
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sodium-chloride posted...
This just in, all crime is made legal!


...or crime will massively go down because people will need to get jobs which, in turn, will keep them too occupied to get into trouble.

Lirishae posted...
Republicans pretending to care about saving money is just lol. They've passed a $4 trillion dollar budget and ballooned the debt to $22.5 trillion dollars. $2.5 billion dollars isn't even a drop in the bucket, it's a subatomic particle in the bucket. They're perfectly happy to pay for wars, corporate welfare, bailouts for Trump's base, and tax cuts for the rich, but the second you start talking about spending money on the poor & working class, they start crying about how we can't afford it.


....it's rare to see somebody who misunderstands how things work this badly. First off, the basics -- that national debt (as near as I can tell) is $22.023 trillion as of the end of June.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/24/facts-about-the-national-debt/

The national debt is $2 trillion higher than when Trump took office in 2017 (and it's worth noting that Obama added $9 trillion to the national debt during his term, partially off measures he coordinated with GWB). I'm trying to confirm the claim regarding the budget, but I should note that the national budget was $3.8 trillion in 2015 so its not a catastrophically larger number and, of course, that one of the larger budget items is paying the interest on the national debt which increases year over year.

Beyond that, the biggest spends are social welfare programs (which takes up about 66% of the national budget), not military (which, while it makes up 55% of discretionary spending, is a far smaller piece of the overall pie since discretionary spending accounts for less a third of the overall). "Corporate welfare" (other than bailouts) is a vast exaggeration since, 90% of the time, it just refers to tax breaks where the government is still taking in money rather than paying it out (as opposed to social welfare, which is pure loss). Likewise, you aren't "paying for tax cuts" since a tax cut isn't an expense, it's a reduction in revenue. Unless you believe that 100% of our money belongs to the government -- and that we're the US government's property (which is a socialist and communist idea... as well as the idea of monarchies and dictatorships) -- and that they give us back what they feel we should get rather than the government taxing what it feels is appropriate.
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adjl
07/24/19 8:28:15 PM
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Broken_Zeus posted...
...or crime will massively go down because people will need to get jobs which, in turn, will keep them too occupied to get into trouble.


Man, if only there were countries in the world with no social security systems in place, whose crime rates you could cite in making that prediction. That'd be nice.

Broken_Zeus posted...
Likewise, you aren't "paying for tax cuts" since a tax cut isn't an expense, it's a reduction in revenue.


Let's say I'm collecting $100 per year from you and $100 per year from your neighbour, covering my total expenses of $200. I decide to reduce the amount I'm taking from your neighbour to $50, but my expenses stay the same, so I start collecting $150 from you to cover the difference. In that case, you're effectively paying for the cut I gave your neighbour. Suggesting otherwise is needlessly pedantic, even by my standards.
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Broken_Zeus
07/24/19 8:41:41 PM
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adjl posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
...or crime will massively go down because people will need to get jobs which, in turn, will keep them too occupied to get into trouble.


Man, if only there were countries in the world with no social security systems in place, whose crime rates you could cite in making that prediction. That'd be nice.


...you mean the nations without real economies? Even if you gave those areas social security, they'd still have rampant crime. (And you know what turns those places around? INDUSTRY!) And keep in mind that a lot of the US's crime is carried out by people on benefits of some kind so the idea that we're paying people benefits so they won't commit crimes has never worked and, in fact, may have encouraged things. Keep in mind that youth employment programs have resulted in a net reduction in crime.

adjl posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
Likewise, you aren't "paying for tax cuts" since a tax cut isn't an expense, it's a reduction in revenue.


Let's say I'm collecting $100 per year from you and $100 per year from your neighbour, covering my total expenses of $200. I decide to reduce the amount I'm taking from your neighbour to $50, but my expenses stay the same, so I start collecting $150 from you to cover the difference. In that case, you're effectively paying for the cut I gave your neighbour. Suggesting otherwise is needlessly pedantic, even by my standards.


The problem with your hypothetical is that you're assuming that a shortfall in revenue has to be met somewhere else instead of either lowering expenses (which is what's being done here) or not trying to cover the shortfall (ie, adding to the budget deficit). At the end of the day, however, that's STILL not an expense. That's not being pedantic, that's understanding basic finance.
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Monopoman
07/24/19 9:16:02 PM
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Tax cuts may not be an expense but they do lead to a large deficit. The money has to come from somewhere period, and unless the Trump is going to be like "Okay fuck it 40% less military spending in 2020!" Which is about as likely to happen as the sun exploding tomorrow. Thats the biggest problem with Republicans they love to cut taxes but then they have 0 plans to help deal with those tax cuts on the budget sheet and they just let the debt grow larger.

Also Trump once again showing how ignorant he is overall food stamps are a boon to the economy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/the-economic-case-for-food-stamps/260015/
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Lirishae
07/24/19 9:39:07 PM
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Broken_Zeus posted...
....it's rare to see somebody who misunderstands how things work this badly. First off, the basics -- that national debt (as near as I can tell) is $22.023 trillion as of the end of June.

I think you have that honor, sir. You say that, and in the next breath you can't even get the debt right. It's $22.5 trillion. You can see for yourself at https://usdebtclock.org/

Broken_Zeus posted...
The national debt is $2 trillion higher than when Trump took office in 2017 (and it's worth noting that Obama added $9 trillion to the national debt during his term, partially off measures he coordinated with GWB).

$8.5 trillion, actually. Trump spent nearly as much in his first two years as Obama did while fighting a recession. Later figures have him outspending Obama.

"In raw terms, Trump added the second-most debt of any recent president. According to the Treasury data, the US added $2.07 trillion $2,065,536,336,472.90 to be exact in new debt between Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017, and February 11, when the country pushed past $22 trillion.... Based on the CBO's projections, Trump will have accumulated $3.73 trillion in new debt by the end of the 2020 fiscal year, which, because of federal budget rules, actually runs until the end of September 2020. And by the end of fiscal 2024, the last year of Trump's second term if he wins reelection, the total debt added is projected to come in at $8.78 trillion." (That's more than Obama spent, btw.)

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-national-debt-deficit-compared-to-obama-bush-clinton-2019-2/

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

Broken_Zeus posted...
"Corporate welfare" (other than bailouts) is a vast exaggeration since, 90% of the time, it just refers to tax breaks where the government is still taking in money rather than paying it out.

No, it's not. Local, state, and federal governments give away hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies to big corporations. That's on top of the tax breaks. According to the GAO, we effectively have a 13% corporate tax rate because of all the tax breaks they get.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/us/how-local-taxpayers-bankroll-corporations.html

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/corporate-welfare-federal-budget

https://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654957.pdf

Broken_Zeus posted...
(as opposed to social welfare, which is pure loss).

What, you think they hide it under a mattress or something? Welfare generally gets spent immediately. Spending boosts the economy. You can't be serious here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/the-economic-case-for-food-stamps/260015/
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Nightwish
07/25/19 8:28:27 AM
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Proper wealth distribution would eliminate the need for food stamps altogether. But we need people to have 9, 10, and 11 figure wealth so I dunno.
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hera
07/25/19 8:53:59 AM
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Lirishae posted...
"In raw terms, Trump added the second-most debt of any recent president. According to the Treasury data, the US added $2.07 trillion $2,065,536,336,472.90 to be exact in new debt between Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017, and February 11, when the country pushed past $22 trillion.... Based on the CBO's projections, Trump will have accumulated $3.73 trillion in new debt by the end of the 2020 fiscal year, which, because of federal budget rules, actually runs until the end of September 2020. And by the end of fiscal 2024, the last year of Trump's second term if he wins reelection, the total debt added is projected to come in at $8.78 trillion." (That's more than Obama spent, btw.)


this entire argument depends on whether or not Trump goes to a second term.

you cannot tell the future, so you have to go by what he has spent during his current term.
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Kyuubi4269
07/25/19 9:30:19 AM
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Lirishae posted...
They're perfectly happy to pay for wars, corporate welfare, bailouts for Trump's base, and tax cuts for the rich, but the second you start talking about spending money on the poor & working class, they start crying about how we can't afford it.

The right is about shoring up status-quo and financial cautiousness.

Wars secure resources and demonstrate defensive capabilities and the rich are a reasonably safe investment as they have more systems in place to secure profitability.

This may hurt to hear, but the poor are the poor because their work doesn't contribute as much to corporate profit, and they're a bad investment as they don't have enough capital behind them to hedge against risk (they also typically have a smaller skillset to pull from).

Capitalism is effective because you can cut off dead vestiges to keep the system alive and well, communism fails because the weakness of one part ills the entire group.

Capitalism suits right wing ideals perfectly so no, welfare red states aren't necessarily going to turn on the party.
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What_The_Chris
07/25/19 9:39:41 AM
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well, food isn't free any way you look at it
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blibber1
07/25/19 9:57:07 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Lirishae posted...
They're perfectly happy to pay for wars, corporate welfare, bailouts for Trump's base, and tax cuts for the rich, but the second you start talking about spending money on the poor & working class, they start crying about how we can't afford it.

The right is about shoring up status-quo and financial cautiousness.

Wars secure resources and demonstrate defensive capabilities and the rich are a reasonably safe investment as they have more systems in place to secure profitability.

This may hurt to hear, but the poor are the poor because their work doesn't contribute as much to corporate profit, and they're a bad investment as they don't have enough capital behind them to hedge against risk (they also typically have a smaller skillset to pull from).

Capitalism is effective because you can cut off dead vestiges to keep the system alive and well, communism fails because the weakness of one part ills the entire group.

Capitalism suits right wing ideals perfectly so no, welfare red states aren't necessarily going to turn on the party.


Remember the French Revolution? Trump is doing a very good impression of Louis XVI right now.... Empty stomachs are a good reason to overthrow tyrants after all.
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Kyuubi4269
07/25/19 10:04:55 AM
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blibber1 posted...
Remember the French Revolution? Trump is doing a very good impression of Louis XVI right now.... Empty stomachs are a good reason to overthrow tyrants after all.

Democracies are effectively immune to this as everyone knows they can wait.
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adjl
07/25/19 10:12:25 AM
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Broken_Zeus posted...
At the end of the day, however, that's STILL not an expense. That's not being pedantic, that's understanding basic finance.


Because your neighbour is paying less, you're paying more to get the same thing. That means you're funding your neighbour's cut. Is it technically an expense? No. But the distinction between "additional expense" and "thing that requires you to pay more" is indeed just being pedantic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
blibber1 posted...
Remember the French Revolution? Trump is doing a very good impression of Louis XVI right now.... Empty stomachs are a good reason to overthrow tyrants after all.

Democracies are effectively immune to this as everyone knows they can wait.


They're significantly more resistant to it, but certainly not immune. Four years is a long time to be hungry.
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rexcrk
07/25/19 10:28:14 AM
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In all fairness, people DO abuse the system.

Im all for people who absolutely genuinely 100% cannot work for whatever reason getting help, but these assholes who mooch off of people and take advantage of the system shouldnt be able to do that anymore.
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Kyuubi4269
07/25/19 10:35:08 AM
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adjl posted...
Because your neighbour is paying less, you're paying more to get the same thing. That means you're funding your neighbour's cut.

It's more like your dad is helping out your neighbour with his rent. He may decide he can't buy you ice cream because of that, so it effects you, but he may also take the hit himself and bank on your neighbour returning the favour later.

It's entirely dependent on later behaviour, the tax cut does not directly effect you.
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Kyuubi4269
07/25/19 10:37:43 AM
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adjl posted...
They're significantly more resistant to it, but certainly not immune. Four years is a long time to be hungry.

25 years is a long time to spend in prison for rushing the white house with your zero resources.

This is like Kaiji and The Hunger Games; if you give them a little hope, they'll chase that hope rather than take the risk from trying to overthrow the system.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/25/19 12:35:21 PM
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Did Zeus get sloppy while I was on vacay? Cause he's not even trying to hide his troll game.

Lirishae posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
....it's rare to see somebody who misunderstands how things work this badly. First off, the basics -- that national debt (as near as I can tell) is $22.023 trillion as of the end of June.

I think you have that honor, sir. You say that, and in the next breath you can't even get the debt right. It's $22.5 trillion. You can see for yourself at https://usdebtclock.org/

Lol. Zeus making up figures.
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wwinterj25
07/25/19 12:49:33 PM
#31:


Full Throttle posted...
Do you support kicking people off food stamps because of a "strong economy" where they can get jobs to pay for their own food?


I mean they are just tightening their belts. Food stamps should be for those who really do need it. With that said saying "get a job" doesn't automatically get said person a job so unemployment will always be a thing. As for the review part? You should be eligible to claim food stamps anyway so I fail to see the problem.
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hera
07/25/19 2:32:39 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
adjl posted...
They're significantly more resistant to it, but certainly not immune. Four years is a long time to be hungry.

25 years is a long time to spend in prison for rushing the white house with your zero resources.

This is like The Hunger Games; if you give them a little hope, they'll chase that hope rather than take the risk from trying to overthrow the system.

did you read or watch the hunger games beyond the first book or movie
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