Board 8 > prof and Bane make each other watch anime(Fate/Zero & Monogatari)

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profDEADPOOL
09/15/19 7:35:46 PM
#1:


I'm watching Fate/Zero, Bane is watching Bakemonogatari and then prolly Kizu, but maybe Nise. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. It's an episode to episode trade.

Both of us are watching for the first time so please use spoiler tags for anything past what we've watched.

We will be posting write-ups after each episode watched.
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/15/19 7:36:48 PM
#2:


We'll let our gracious audience decide exactly who is getting the better deal out of this exchange
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pyresword
09/15/19 8:07:31 PM
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prof: Have you watched or read Fate/Stay Night?

Anyway I guess tag. Love both of these shows.

Pretty sure you've heard this before but Monogatari is...uh...eccentric, to say the least.
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profDEADPOOL
09/15/19 8:59:14 PM
#4:


pyresword posted...
prof: Have you watched or read Fate/Stay Night?

Nope this is my first experience with the Fate franchise
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/15/19 9:11:05 PM
#5:


Meanwhile what I know of Monogatari is that people solve supernatural cases I think and there's some....questionable things that go on that I will absolutely judge when I get to them
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profDEADPOOL
09/15/19 9:18:08 PM
#6:


Fate/Zero 1

I didn't care about the first scene with the revelation that Kiritsugu's wife is going to die because of him at all considering we literally just met them.

Tohsaka and Kirei's dad circling him as they give him instructions on what to do with the Grail War was v interesting visually, and I have a feeling it's meant to foreshadow something, tho I am not quite sure what yet. It felt very shark horro moviey, which was a cool vibe, hopefully that pays off later.

Rin was v adorable in this episode, and the politics around how the mages family work(they have their own laws rather than society's, only one kid, the nature of how you need the long bloodline in its society, etc) was def interesting.

Tho the grail war being every sixty years clearly isn't happening, unless Rin gets like frozen in time for 50 years.

Zouken Matou is extremely creepy, and I hate the vibes he's giving off when talking about Sakura and the powerful mages she will give his family. Gross AF.

El-Malloi is a name I recognize due to the anime going on this season... but the person in the visuals for that looks more like Waver. Also fuck El-Malloi, he's a total asshole.

I'm really curious as to why the rules of the holy grail war require one of each class... How would who gets which class even be determined? What if two of the seven selected mages both get one for an assassin class Servant, and neither has another one they've found. Does a new master get put in or...

I like learning the backstory on Kiritsugu, and I'm way more interested in him now, tho I would have liked to see some of it.

I didn't expect Kiritsugu's wife to still be alive when the Grail War started tbh.

The narration going back and forth between what Kiritsugu and Kirei think about each other is making it very clear they're going to be the two main people. I did like the cuts back and forth between their thoughts a lot.

I guess El-Malloi will give us at least an idea of how the Grail handles one of its seven being unable to attend due to a lack of a summoning relic and/or only having the relic for a class that was already summoned, since it has the limit on no more than one of each class.

"Once summoneed, [the servant] is just a tool for the master"... I can't help but suspect that Kiritsugu is going to be proven wrong over the course of the story on that. It's an obvious way for his character to grow now that it's been stated he thinks that.

"Once summoneed, [the servant] is just a tool for the master"... I can't help but suspect that Kiritsugu is going to be proven wrong over the course of the narrative on that.

Rin was my favorite in this episode tbh. But I also kinda don't expect her to show back up which makes me a bit sad.

I'm really liking this episode ED, but based on all the animation I have a feeling it's actually the OP lol.

Overall, it was an intriguing first episode but not one that actually wow'd me. It was a hell of a lot of exposition, and the double length really didn't help that feeling, but it had a strong ending point with the summons, and it def needed to be at that point at the end of the first episode so we could start getting actual fights next episode. I really expected to get some action in this one tho, considering what I know of Ufotable, and also that this is supposedly an action show in general lol. I would have appreciated seeing some of Kiritsugu's escapades as an assassin rather than just having them told to us.

I am def intrigued to watch more. I'm not sure I would have been if it was split into two episodes tho.
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pyresword
09/15/19 9:30:40 PM
#7:


Rin does get more screentime than just this, but you're right in that she isn't really a major character in Fate/Zero.

There's a few reasons I asked about Fate/Stay Night. You may have picked up on this, but starting with Fate/Zero vs Fate/Stay Night is somewhat of a charged topic with the fanbase, sort of like the Haruhi fanbase with broadcast vs chronological watch order on that show. (Full disclosure: I am on the side of starting with Fate/Stay Night and think that it does matter, although admittedly I wouldn't say it matters a lot.)

In particular, I think the first episode is a lot more emotionally compelling to people who already played/watched Fate/Stay Night, but it seems like you liked the episode well enough anyway so I guess it's fine. Also this doesn't really matter towards the experience of watching Fate/Zero, but the stuff you learned about Sakura is one of the biggest plot twists/reveals if you start with Fate/Stay Night. (Though, Fate/Stay Night similarly spoils some things about Fate/Zero so that's an unavoidable problem no matter which route you go.)
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profDEADPOOL
09/15/19 9:36:46 PM
#8:


pyresword posted...
There's a few reasons I asked about Fate/Stay Night. You may have picked up on this, but starting with Fate/Zero vs Fate/Stay Night is somewhat of a charged topic with the fanbase, sort of like the Haruhi fanbase with broadcast vs chronological watch order on that show. (Full disclosure: I am on the side of starting with Fate/Stay Night and think that it does matter, although admittedly I wouldn't say it matters a lot.)

Yeah I've seen that debate a lot, and tbh my original plan for a long time was to read the VN as my first time going into Fate, because it sounded like the Deen anime isn't worth watching, but UBW anime kinda really wants you to have either read the VN or watched Zero.

But it's easier to commit to Fate/Zero than it is to reading the VN lol.
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Mac Arrowny
09/15/19 10:05:10 PM
#9:


Fate/good times. Hope both of you keep going after the initial series!
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LeonhartFour
09/15/19 10:38:18 PM
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one of these I finished and didn't really care for and the other I dropped because I couldn't do it anymore

have fun!
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LordoftheMorons
09/15/19 10:55:54 PM
#11:


Tag for F/Z
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GranzonEx
09/15/19 11:03:45 PM
#12:


well Bane is getting the better deal here

edit: I'm betting Bane already dropped it after 5 minutes
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/16/19 8:02:58 PM
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alright my write ups probably won't be as indepth as prof's but well they are write ups still

Bakemonogatari episode 1

A panty shot in the first 30 seconds, awesome

weird ass cuts of scenes but sure it's a mood setter

girl (Senjyogahara) falling out of the sky in an endless stairway and weighs almost nothing, alright

alright but why that gotta be such a big secret enough to staple someone's mouth

oh ok she can just pull out all these metal objects like that

oh ok just casually drop that he was a vampire and turned back into human

I was noticing a bit earlier but show seems to do a lot of interesting edits, kind of neat especially with the film part when they're walking to Oshino

don't pay attention to the girl in the corner, got it

Weight Crab is like a god thing and can take different forms, but it was a crab for Senjyogahara

Oshino knows there's something else up with Senjyogahara but is like eh fuck it I don't care I'll still help you

Alright yea I'm intrigued, a bunch doesn't make much sense but I'm ok with it being one of those types of shows that kind of just throws you in the middle of things and explains stuff as it goes along. Let's solve the mystery of the Weight Crab!
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profDEADPOOL
09/16/19 8:05:36 PM
#14:


Bane stop fucking spelling Senjougahara like that I told you not to!!!
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/16/19 8:08:21 PM
#15:


oh was that the way? I forgot which you didn't like lol
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Menji
09/16/19 8:26:00 PM
#16:


Bane has to watch the best anime? Tag

And yes please don't ever put a y in her name

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Dedue
09/16/19 8:36:20 PM
#17:


Two top 10 anime here.
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/16/19 9:07:10 PM
#18:


Bakemonogatari episode 2

did they really feel it was necessary to do that butt slap shot lmao

AND THAT BELLY BUTTON CLOSE UP

you know what I'm kind of glad with how upfront she was about the nakedness thing

"i'll catch your virginity"

well that was a whole lot. Once again, very interesting editing and cuts. Very cool, and bringing in real life images. I actually really really enjoyed that whole segment with summoning the crab back and going through what she went through and what it meant. And makes the whole earlier showing off her body and being so blase about it work a little more, since it can tie into her whole trauma of being assaulted when she was younger. Overall, very nice and I really enjoyed how that played out. Good job Monogatari series.
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pyresword
09/16/19 9:22:26 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
did they really feel it was necessary

spoiler you will probably be saying this a lot lmao

Anyway I really liked episode 2 of Bakemonogatari. Just a really cool scene in general. Looking back there's better finales to some (though definitely not all) of the other arcs, but this is the one that got me hooked on the show I think.
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ZeldaTPLink
09/16/19 10:25:17 PM
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Just say Hitagi tbh. Koyomi doesn't do it but you can.
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Mac Arrowny
09/16/19 11:10:12 PM
#21:


I usually just call her Senjou but yeah Hitagi works.

I'm not a huge fan of the first two eps of Bakemonogatari. Started getting more into it after that.
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profDEADPOOL
09/19/19 12:54:31 AM
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Fate/Zero episode 2

I'm already loving Rider from his book stealing and declaration of why he's not a thief.

Also I was right about what's the OP, woo.

LMAO Waver is scared shitless of Rider and I love it.

I'm really not sure if Waver is actually supposed to be an amazing mage or not, and I'm curious to see if he's actually that good and it is just the Circle Tower people being idiots or if he's just a cocky teen who is way overestimating his strength. My guess is it will be somewhere in the middle tho.

It's very interesting that the show is using Iskandar rather than Alexander for Rider's name. Is that just how he's referred to in Japanese and does the dub change that?

Kiritsugu's kid is not nearly as cute as Rin. I love that he admits to cheating being his only chance of winning tho, because that seems to be a sum of his life philosophy from his backstory we were told.

Ah so we aren't even pretending Saber isn't Arthur, I was under the impression that's a mystery... But I guess that's only in Stay/Night?

Wow I really don't care about Saber's backstory, and why the stories of her portray her as a man.

WHERE ARE THE GODDAMN FIGHTS UFOTABLE. I've seen what you can do in Demon Slayer, give me that, and not this talking :v

Are we just getting introduced to all the masters and servants now...

Oh god it's a crazy serial killer... I wonder if he's the last? second to last? master... I think the demon he's summoning might be one of the last "heroic" spirits. Not sure whoever this dude fights with can really be considered heroic tho.

Also it says a lot about how much the exposition in the first episode stuck for me that I don't even remember if we got the sixth master revealed already or not.

Yep he's another one, so we prolly are just getting introduced to all the servants this episode.

THE FUCK ARE CASTER'S EYES. I hate them.

Okay yeah Caster is by no even remote stretch of the word, heroic. I hope to see both of these two die a horrible death.

... it's fucking Bluebeard are you fucking kidding me, that's the opposite of heroic. I wonder if it's actually Gilles or a fictional person. Gilles would be my guess since everyone else seems to be real people, even if they're modified.

So I don't think we got the seventh, because we didn't get a reminder of who that was... but we also didn't get a reminder of the dude who had worms burrow into him so maybe we did.

I wonder what Archer being one of "the three knight classes" could mean... guessing it's a different kind of specialty? Knight makes me suspect it's related to his fighting skill being better in some way.

Assassin infiltrating the Tohsaka's house was really fucking cool visuals... and thank fuck there's an actual fight... tho it seems Assassin kinda just got destroyed. Gates of Babylon or w/e Archer's special skill is called looked even better than I expected.

Honestly thank fuck this ended on a fight, because I am... not the biggest fan of the pacing thus far. It's still something I'm enjoing, but that was trending downward for most of this episode. I do wonder if the Saber convo worked less for me because I've not seen Stay/Night.

Ah well, hopefully we get more action and less talking in the next episodes.

ED was... fine.
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Mac Arrowny
09/19/19 1:00:25 AM
#24:


Iskandar isn't what he's typically called in Japan, no. They just went with that for the anime (in the Japanese version, too).

Knights = Saber/Lancer/Archer.
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LeonhartFour
09/19/19 3:01:43 AM
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Rider is easily the best part of Fate/Zero

His story was what enabled me to get through the whole thing
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profDEADPOOL
09/19/19 6:34:19 PM
#26:


Episode 3

"king of kings, king of heroes Gilgamesh"

Fancy ass Archer.

"for Gilgamesh to be summoned into the Archer class, which has the most indepedent actions"... Okay so that seems to be saying that heroes can have multiple classes? That's a cool lore tidbit.

Also hey I just noticed that the asshole professor has a summon thing in the OP, so he's prolly the seventh Master, esp since we see the person he was standing with fighting later in on the OP.

For some odd reason I don't buy that Assassin was actually killed, esp with the line from Tohsaka about trusting Kirei.

Huh they're using the actual president, Clinton right now.

I really hope we find out what the other category(ies) are, besides just Knight.

Noble Phantasms are p interesting of a concept for what their power comes from.

Ah so the Assassin we saw was killed, but Kirei has more assassins? That's p cool. I didn't think about that possibility but it fits so well once it was said.

I love that Kiritsugu immediately saw through the Assassin's death because it was too convenient. Yay for intelligent characters. I also love how he didn't use magic to watch the others, and I wonder if that was intentionally to make the rest underestimate him.

... oh so there's some kinda love triangle with him and Maiya and his actual wife? Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME IT ENDED BEFORE THE FIGHT I AM SALTY AT THAT.

This episode did feel a lot better than the previous episodes tho. I mostly cared about what was happening, and I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly it went by.
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Mac Arrowny
09/19/19 6:42:29 PM
#27:


I don't think this is a spoiler and I'm not sure they even go over it in Zero, but the other classification for classes is Cavalry for Rider/Caster/Assassin (no it doesn't make any sense).
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profDEADPOOL
09/19/19 6:54:43 PM
#28:


Mac Arrowny posted...
I don't think this is a spoiler and I'm not sure they even go over it in Zero, but the other classification for classes is Cavalry for Rider/Caster/Assassin (no it doesn't make any sense).

... and the seventh class? I assume also Cavalry cause you said "other"

And that's not like... a dumb translation issue? it doesn't make sense in Japanese either? Fate why. I don't even understand the point of having classifications then lol.
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Mac Arrowny
09/19/19 6:58:51 PM
#29:


Wait, whoops, Berserker is Cavalry too. Whoops.

I think the words in Japanese are bit more Chess-related? Not 100% sure though.
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profDEADPOOL
09/22/19 1:15:46 AM
#30:


Fate/Zero episode 4

Fight fight fight fight fight woo

The entire face magic thing is lame I don't like this being a thing tho.

GOD THIS FIGHT THO.

Ufotable continues to give some of the best action. The way the ground is breaking as they plant their feet is just so fucking good.

Also in retrospect the person in the OP I thought was Waver working with Kiritsugu is prolly actually Maiya, now that I see the OP again, and see her standing there with a gun next to him right before it.

Will the Noble Phantasm thing ever be explained.

Also I feel like the entire "face that charms women thing" should prolly be a way bigger hint to his identity it's being treated as. For someone who seems to want to figure out his identity, I'd be looking at mythology for who that's tied to immediately.

I love Saber's invisible air sword thing. It's not quite as good as the water effects in Demon Slayer, but it's p fucking close.

Okay asshole professor is indeed Lancer's master.

AND KIRITSUGU CAUGHT AN ASSASSIN. Nicely done.

"then Lancer's Master has the sense to stay out of sight"

Y'all are cocky assholes aren't you. I feel like Irisviel not being the master should be a bit obvious considering dumb she's being about standing in the open, considering the lineage they think she's a master from.

I wonder if one of the other Masters will not escape being known for a bit because of Kirei/Tohsaka assuming Kiritsugu is a Master of anyone but Saber cause they seem to think Irisviel is Saber's. I think that will only really work for mr crazed serial killer tho.

I'm really curious why the hiding your identity as a servant is so important. I don't see an obvious reason it's an issue.

I really like Lancer's personality.

That flash forward to see her plan, followed by it failing because the spear did more damage than she expected was really cool.

"why did the spear pierce my armor"... I feel like it's kinda obvious that's an effect of the Noble Phantasm he's using? Oh she figured it out right after. GJ Saber you aren't as dumb as I feared.

I love that Rider wants to fight them all.

I love how the majority of the people in this show are actually intelligent, in at least some ways. They have their weaknesses and blind spots yes, but none are actually idiots... at least not yet... And Rider going in here fits what I know of him, even tho it isn't the smartest thing.

I get the feeling Lancer and asshole professor aren't that compatible in terms of personality, just based on this argument over not having killed Saber already.

At least Saber is made at herself for not recognizing Lancer sooner. And she's smart enough to cover her sword cause otherwise her being Arthur is obvious. Still not sure why she needs to hide it but whatever.

Rider's entrance was perfect. I love how he isn't even remotely trying to hide his identity. That fits him so well.

his episode was beautiful. I loved it so much. I totally get the love for the show now, based on the quality of this one, and I hope the rest are more like this and less like the earlier ones.
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/27/19 9:11:28 PM
#31:


profDEADPOOL posted...
his episode was beautiful. I loved it so much. I totally get the love for the show now

wooooo
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Bane_Of_Despair
09/27/19 9:15:36 PM
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Bakemonogatari episode 3

- a totally different opening? that was cute

-Araragi peepin those BAPS

-I like the aesthetic of the park with the white buildings

- pfffffff alright dragon ball reference

- yo what the fuck kinda park is this, I want a park like that

-Araragi "yea so I'm super salty that my kid sister told me off so I aint going home"

- what the fuck, just smacked the shit outta her

- and then proceeded to beat her shit in

- abrupt end

I liked the first half of the episode more than the second half I think, and once again I think the thing I like most about the show so far is the direction/art style. Lots of contrasting, lots of cool camera shots. Dunno what this kid has up her sleeve but she kind of deserves to give payback to Araragi in some form after what he did to her
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profDEADPOOL
09/27/19 9:35:23 PM
#33:


Fate/Zero episode 5

Rider's attempts to recruit Saber and Lancer is hilarious.

Wow asshole professor calling Waver out like that is really earning him the title of asshole.

Rider supporting Waver is p fucking good tho.

They're all here woo... and I forgot about Caster. NVM then.

Damn that Zerker sword block. I think Zerker is my fav fighter visually speaking because holy shit this black smoke looks so good.

Tohsaka being rude to Archer.

hmmmmmm is it just me or did Zerker specifically get angry when he noticed Saber... I wonder if they know each other already.

Of course Lancer would jump in to defend Saber.

More command spell usage woo. Gotta love the personality clashes baiting those out already. I'm also impressed with Waver for resisting the temptation now.

God I love these characters. We haven't had the Servants for long, but I already have a great sense of who Saber, Lancer, Rider, and Archer are. I was also just too busy watching it to really take notes lol, which says a lot of good things.
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Mac Arrowny
09/27/19 10:11:32 PM
#34:


hell yeah Archer vs. Berserker. Such an awesome fight.
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Team Rocket Elite
10/05/19 11:48:34 PM
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Bump
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profDEADPOOL
10/05/19 11:52:20 PM
#36:


I'm taking a break to give Bane time to catch up after Comic-Con btw
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/09/19 2:41:44 PM
#37:


Yea comic con sidetracked me and now got me sick so wooooo! I'll still be watching though don't worry
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profDEADPOOL
10/15/19 5:13:52 PM
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Bump, watching on Thursday
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profDEADPOOL
10/17/19 5:46:25 PM
#39:


Fate/Zero episode 6

Irisviel's driving is a bit insane.

zzz knight honor bullshit is dumb. Caster is very entertaining in his madness tho. I'm glad to see he is Gilles.

I love how Irisviel is dissing on the servants for their lack of conversation skills.

The fights continue to be so engrossing that I don't even really have time to take notes.

Wow Gilg's lecture of Kirei is boring.

I'll be honest, my fav parts continue to be the fights, and the rest has rather spiky ups and downs.
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/23/19 3:48:04 PM
#40:


Bakemonogatari episode 4

- owned on the PTA thing Araragi, ownedddddd

- "that plot would have worked on my sisters, so I guess I can't treat Hachikuji like a moronic kid" wow mad shade thrown at his sisters

- "yes I hate them with a passion, I wish every last one of them would die" Well damn alright Senjougahara, mood but damn

- parents split up, dad got custody, her curse is that she'll always be lost finding her mom. Why do I feel like her mom's gonna actually be dead or something

- round 2 of beating the shit outta a little kid

-damn Hanekawa laying the dick down

-"if you're going to strike a child, you have to tell them what was wrong" ok so she's FINE with the punching of the child just not the lack of explanation, alright then

- "what's yaoi? Nevermind, I'll do some research on it" oof

- Tsundere as Senjougahara's official name for Oshino is quite to the point huh

Oh a 3-parter this time huh? I guess if you're gonna make a whole new OP for it yea sure
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/23/19 3:51:16 PM
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Bakemonogatari episode 5


-Watching it once more now, OP is all about her getting lost and hey snails, cool

-"true, your chest was pretty impressive" MY DUDE SHE'S LIKE 12

- wow this dude straight trash

-that was.....something

-alright so I was sort of on the right track? But alright yea they put the signs in there, with how big her backpack was even in the OP, and focusing shots on them crossing the crosswalk

- alright so basically "don't worry it was only a ghost of a dead little girl he groped not an actual little girl", cool

- I dunno why Senjougahara likes this putz but alright

That was a good conclusion, they built up to it in a way you could see the signs and process to get there without it being too blatant (at least for me)
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ZeldaTPLink
10/23/19 4:56:56 PM
#42:


Araragi has some redeeming qualities.

If and only if you ignore the pedo shit.

I'd like to say "don't worry, it won't get worse", but it will. But he'll show more of his qualities too.

I guess the way to get by is to see all this stuff as a comedy thing. Because Japanese like that kind of comedy.
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Mac Arrowny
10/23/19 5:02:12 PM
#43:


Lots of Westerners like that comedy too! Araragi is often hilarious because of how ridiculously over the top he is.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/23/19 9:40:54 PM
#44:


I mean some times its legit funny. It's just that most of the time the uncomfortable overcomes the funny.
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Bane_Of_Despair
10/23/19 9:43:19 PM
#45:


I mean it's not gonna make me stop watching or anything or detract from how I've enjoyed the directing shots and storylines so far. I'm just not one to care for cliche anime perv tropes.
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LeonhartFour
10/23/19 9:59:08 PM
#46:


It definitely eventually became too much for me to deal with it on a regular basis.

Of course, I didn't really care that much about any of the characters anyway, so it was no big deal for me to just forget it and move on to something else.
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Mac Arrowny
10/23/19 10:35:11 PM
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I mean, I don't care for cliche anime perv tropes either, generally. Araragi just (usually) goes so far over the top that he makes them funny again. He certainly has scenes where he's lamer.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/24/19 7:03:03 AM
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Yeah sort of. The ones with Snail Girl kind of go in that direction. And then they start making super obscure 80s anime refererences and it just gets weird.
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profDEADPOOL
10/30/19 7:21:14 PM
#49:


Bump, no anime for me this week cause I'm busy prepping for Netrunner nats
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profDEADPOOL
11/04/19 7:36:13 PM
#50:


Fate/Zero episode 7

Oh we're seeing actual humans now who don't seem to be aware of the war... and one is being mind controlled into moving a mysterious orb. I wonder what Caster has planned here.

Interesting way to bait the masters into attacking Caster.

Gilgamesh ordering a t-shirt is the best.

Saber and Kiritsugu arguing over what to do seems like it's going to present some rather interesting clashes.

I love that he's intelligent enough to suspect the mediator.

Caster's face continues to be wonderfully creepy.

God that creepy sound when the tentacles broke out of the boy was just so good.

That church orchestral music was so good. The way the music shifted when Lancer showed up to help her.

And I love the way Lancer and Saber talk to each other. They're such tsunderes it's wonderful.

I wonder if Iris is going to end up splitting from Kiritsugu because she seems to not being really agreeing with his philosophy of the ends justifying the means.

Also huh I guess the orb was El-Melloi's, not Caster's.

Speed up spell is an amazing concept. Kiritsugu continues to be the best. Slowing down after so the ball can't find him is even better.
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