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red sox 777
09/20/19 4:40:23 PM
#51:


Not_an_Owl posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
The Constitution does specifically list treason and bribery as impeachable offenses...!

True, and if you can prove Trump committed treason or bribery to the satisfaction of a court of law you might even have a point!


To the satisfaction of the Senate. Much as a lord in England had the right to be tried by a jury of his peers, the House of Lords, rather than an ordinary jury, as President, Trump is entitled to trial by the Senate.
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 4:44:39 PM
#52:


Not_an_Owl posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
The Constitution does specifically list treason and bribery as impeachable offenses...!

True, and if you can prove Trump committed treason or bribery to the satisfaction of a court of law you might even have a point!

Well, I'm not saying that this exactly fits either of those, just that there are some crimes explicitly deemed to be impeachable offenses!

Colloquially, though, I mean (and think most people would understand the term to mean) that impeachable offenses are either things that are crimes for which anyone other than the president would be indicted, or actions that involve the president abusing the powers of his office in clearly unintended ways (the Ukraine extortion definitely falling under the latter).
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red sox 777
09/20/19 4:50:09 PM
#53:


I would say that most impeachable offenses are political. It's hard for a non-political crime to rise to the level where it would make sense to remove the elected president.

Suppose Trump actually shot someone on Fifth Avenue, and that as the "law and order" president, he manages to stop 5,000 murders a year Hillary would have allowed to happen. Isn't it still a net good for the country to keep him?
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Hbthebattle
09/20/19 4:54:27 PM
#54:


But how do you know Trump would stop 5000 more murders a year compared to Hillary? Where'd you get that math?
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red sox 777
09/20/19 4:56:23 PM
#55:


It's a hypothetical. Suppose the Senate believes it.
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skullbone
09/20/19 6:02:27 PM
#56:


red sox 777 posted...
I would say that most impeachable offenses are political. It's hard for a non-political crime to rise to the level where it would make sense to remove the elected president.

Suppose Trump actually shot someone on Fifth Avenue, and that as the "law and order" president, he manages to stop 5,000 murders a year Hillary would have allowed to happen. Isn't it still a net good for the country to keep him?


This is top 3 stupidest things I've ever read on this board and I've been here a long time.
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Corrik7
09/20/19 6:09:11 PM
#57:


Hbthebattle posted...
But how do you know Trump would stop 5000 more murders a year compared to Hillary? Where'd you get that math?
Not going to war with Russia... Lol.

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red sox 777
09/20/19 6:09:46 PM
#58:


The truth is that Trump has not touched the powers of Congress and the judiciary. Within the executive branch, he has taken power away from unelected bureaucrats and concentrated it in the hands of the elected President, who is accountable to the voters. This is what Republicans have promised to do for 40 years and utterly failed to do, until Trump.

Now people want to impeach Trump for keeping his promise to restore constitutional, elected, democratic, government in the USA by reducing the power of the unelected bureaucracy.
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Maniac64
09/20/19 6:09:55 PM
#59:


Corrik7 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
But how do you know Trump would stop 5000 more murders a year compared to Hillary? Where'd you get that math?
Not going to war with Russia... Lol.

Pence wouldnt go to war with Russia either so there is no harm in impeaching Trump then.
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red sox 777
09/20/19 6:16:13 PM
#60:


Pence is a religious fundamentalist who is not terribly smart. He's a risk to start a war.
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red sox 777
09/20/19 6:18:09 PM
#61:


Example: If some people in our government told Pence Iran had WMD, he might go to war with them. Trump would find that information to be irrelevant, and would maintain peace.
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 6:31:31 PM
#62:


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1175155103847845893

God Ken Vogel sucks

I'm sure Vogel himself doesn't care, but it'll be pathetic if the NYT and other media allow themselves to fall into the same trap they did in 2016 of saying "hey, we're just reporting on the story" and not stepping back and reflecting on the fact that they're allowing themselves to be weaponized by bad actors like Trump and Giuliani

(Note: this is not to say that it was wrong of them to report on, say, Hillary's emails at all, but by devoting a disproportionate amount of coverage to a story relative to its importance just because Trump is pushing it is a disservice to your readers who will conclude that the emails are really as big a story as all of Trump's scandals put together).
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red sox 777
09/20/19 6:34:29 PM
#63:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1175155103847845893

God Ken Vogel sucks

I'm sure Vogel himself doesn't care, but it'll be pathetic if the NYT and other media allow themselves to fall into the same trap they did in 2016 of saying "hey, we're just reporting on the story" and not stepping back and reflecting on the fact that they're allowing themselves to be weaponized by bad actors like Trump and Giuliani

(Note: this is not to say that it was wrong of them to report on, say, Hillary's emails at all, but by devoting a disproportionate amount of coverage to a story relative to its importance just because Trump is pushing it is a disservice to your readers who will conclude that the emails are really as big a story as all of Trump's scandals put together).


The trap they fell for is that they have no credibility at all and tried to influence the election. If they wanted to oppose Trump (they obviously did), what they should have done is talk about Hillary's emails night and day, like it was the only issue of the election, until people got so sick of the fake news media they voted for Hillary.
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ChaosTonyV4
09/20/19 6:59:46 PM
#64:


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/20/the-pentagon-will-deploy-us-forces-to-the-middle-east (space) -on-the-heels-of-the-iranian-attack-on-saudi-arabian-oil-facilities.html

or

https://tinyurl.com/yxd6avva

Saudi Arabia says we're going to war.

So we're going to war.

I guess.
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Jakyl25
09/20/19 7:24:35 PM
#65:


the-pentagon-will-deploy-us-forces-to-the-middle-east is really an evergreen section of that URL
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red sox 777
09/20/19 7:27:45 PM
#66:


They said it's for defensive purposes. Not a big deal, Trump won't dare start this war on the eve of an election. It would destroy all of his credibility as the great dealmaker.

Venezuela - that is far more likely a location for a war.
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Grimlyn
09/20/19 9:38:49 PM
#67:


https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1175192494734266369

Warren on congress's failure to impeach as complicit

hell yeah
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 9:39:58 PM
#68:


Welp, I agree with her on that at least...!
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Leafeon13N
09/20/19 11:33:54 PM
#69:


red sox 777 posted...
credibility as the great dealmaker.


Lol.
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xp1337
09/20/19 11:47:24 PM
#70:


Grimlyn posted...
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1175192494734266369

Warren on congress's failure to impeach as complicit

hell yeah

no lies detected
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GuessMyUserName
09/21/19 10:04:26 AM
#71:


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/cory-booker-memo-may-not-be-race-much-longer-if-n1057196

start the clock on booker's drop
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Hbthebattle
09/21/19 11:10:20 AM
#72:


Cory is no longer in the house, it seems
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LordoftheMorons
09/21/19 11:12:27 AM
#73:


The really fun thing about Ukraine is that Trumps blackmail scheme literally involves him doing a much worse version of what hes accusing Biden of doing (withholding funds to Ukraine in order to force them to do something, except Trump 1. has no legal power to withhold these funds and 2. is doing it to strongarm them into doing a political hit on his re-election rival rather than doing it to help his son (in actuality: to remove a barrier to reforming Ukraine))
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/21/19 12:10:23 PM
#74:


At least the Biden equivalent of "but her emails!" is out there in advance of him becoming the nominee this time (which he probably still will)

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Suprak the Stud
09/21/19 6:38:18 PM
#75:


GuessMyUserName posted...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/cory-booker-memo-may-not-be-race-much-longer-if-n1057196

start the clock on booker's drop


I thought the first person polling above 1% to drop out would be Klobberin Klobuchar so this is actually a bit of a surprise!
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LordoftheMorons
09/21/19 7:34:41 PM
#76:


https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1175465767455862786

What the fuck is Pelosi doing

Unless she reverses very soon, I think I'm going to have to revise my evaluation of her as being a generally very good speaker who is bad on the issue of impeachment in particular to being someone who needs to cede leadership to somebody else willing to do what needs to be done.
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Grimlyn
09/21/19 8:04:07 PM
#77:


https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1175267295511437313

nancy making republicans look good

yeah yeah Amash is Independent now but that's only about Trump
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ChaosTonyV4
09/21/19 8:15:25 PM
#78:


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LordoftheMorons
09/21/19 8:18:20 PM
#79:


https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1175158123855826945?s=20
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Paratroopa1
09/21/19 8:38:06 PM
#80:


fuck nancy pelosi

I'm done with her
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LordoftheMorons
09/22/19 3:17:13 AM
#81:


Good to see another reporter rip Ken Vogel to shreds and explain what actually happened in Ukraine with Shokin:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1175474606485975042?s=21
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Jakyl25
09/22/19 12:25:59 PM
#82:


Paratroopa1 posted...
fuck nancy pelosi

I'm done with her

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Grimlyn
09/22/19 1:16:13 PM
#83:


gotta update the old quote to Donald Trump could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and Nancy Pelosi still wouldn't be swayed any further on impeachment.
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Jakyl25
09/22/19 1:17:34 PM
#84:


He could shoot NANCY PELOSI and she wouldnt impeach
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Grimlyn
09/22/19 1:20:53 PM
#85:


asked is the speaker's infected stitches changing Pelosis view on potential Trump impeachment?

adviser tells me: no. see any GOP votes for it?
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LordoftheMorons
09/22/19 1:54:15 PM
#86:


Ukraine may have flipped Schiff:

https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1175774820925149184?s=21
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Nelson_Mandela
09/22/19 2:36:04 PM
#87:


Part of me says this leak was coordinated by the RNC to force impeachment, thereby guaranteeing Trump's reelection.

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LordoftheMorons
09/22/19 2:53:10 PM
#88:


Mitt is calling for disclosure of the Ukraine phone call:

https://twitter.com/jmartnyt/status/1175840704003747840?s=21

Not much, but something I guess
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Jakyl25
09/22/19 2:57:16 PM
#89:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Part of me says this leak was coordinated by the RNC to force impeachment, thereby guaranteeing Trump's reelection.


Why not go the full monty and use this to actually remove him for Pence?

Have JUST ENOUGH super-safe (or not up again until 2024) Republican Senators vote for removal
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Nelson_Mandela
09/22/19 5:01:18 PM
#90:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why not go the full monty and use this to actually remove him for Pence?
Pence would have been the perfect kind of candidate in 2004. But he's not mean enough for today's GOP.

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ChaosTonyV4
09/22/19 5:40:02 PM
#91:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Part of me says this leak was coordinated by the RNC to force impeachment, thereby guaranteeing Trump's reelection.


Incredible.
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Jakyl25
09/22/19 5:40:52 PM
#92:


Dude, hes meaner than Trump, certainly

Or do you mean without trying to pretend to be a gentleman
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Jakyl25
09/22/19 7:09:24 PM
#93:


https://twitter.com/axios/status/1175883655526440960?s=21

NEW: Conservative leaders are circulating data to White House staff that claims adults who vape will turn on President Trump if he follows through with his planned ban on flavored e-cigarettes.


LOL. THIS would be the thing that makes people reconsider
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Nelson_Mandela
09/22/19 7:11:35 PM
#94:


The logic behind banning flavored smoking products is that they're designed to entice kids right?

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GildedFool
09/22/19 7:16:10 PM
#95:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
The logic behind banning flavored smoking products is that they're designed to entice kids right?

I mean, the logic behind banning them is that the cigarette lobbyists want them to. But yes, I think this is the argument they're intending to push.
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Nelson_Mandela
09/22/19 7:30:44 PM
#96:


GildedFool posted...
I mean, the logic behind banning them is that the cigarette lobbyists want them to. But yes, I think this is the argument they're intending to push.
Didn't Obama do this to flavored cigarettes too though? That's why I can't find those awful grape cigars I would drunkenly smoke in high school now

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LordoftheMorons
09/23/19 12:58:59 AM
#97:


When confronted with Trumps abuse of power in Ukraine (which is, among many other things, a form of election interference), Secretary of State Mike Pompeo suggests (with, of course, absolutely zero basis in reality) that it was Biden who could have conducted election interference:

https://twitter.com/facethenation/status/1175768285847183360?s=21

These fuckers are all absolutely shameless
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red13n
09/23/19 1:02:18 AM
#98:


GildedFool posted...
I mean, the logic behind banning them is that the cigarette lobbyists want them to. But yes, I think this is the argument they're intending to push.


Nope.

The cigarette industry basically is the vaping industry.
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Paratroopa1
09/23/19 1:08:16 AM
#99:


LordoftheMorons posted...
When confronted with Trumps abuse of power in Ukraine (which is, among many other things, a form of election interference), Secretary of State Mike Pompeo suggests (with, of course, absolutely zero basis in reality) that it was Biden who could have conducted election interference:

https://twitter.com/facethenation/status/1175768285847183360?s=21

These fuckers are all absolutely shameless

And of course, here we see the media doing fucking nooooooothing to push back against shameless lying and propoganda, like usual, just giving Pompeo a platform from which to spout bullshit
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TheRock1525
09/23/19 1:27:43 AM
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Paratroopa1 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
When confronted with Trumps abuse of power in Ukraine (which is, among many other things, a form of election interference), Secretary of State Mike Pompeo suggests (with, of course, absolutely zero basis in reality) that it was Biden who could have conducted election interference:

https://twitter.com/facethenation/status/1175768285847183360?s=21

These fuckers are all absolutely shameless

And of course, here we see the media doing fucking nooooooothing to push back against shameless lying and propoganda, like usual, just giving Pompeo a platform from which to spout bullshit


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