Poll of the Day > Another Day, Another School Shooting...

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https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/school-active-shooter-california-saugus-161457606.html

No reported deaths yet, but when will the madness end...

We live in a society.
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Llamachama posted...

We live in a society.

This is America.

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/14/779321620/shooting-at-saugus-high-school-in-santa-clarita-injures-several-people

Updated at 1:22 p.m. ET

At least one person has died after a gunman opened fire Thursday at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, Calif., according to hospital and law enforcement officials. Several other people were injured, and two of them are said to be in critical condition.

A suspect "is in custody and being treated at a local hospital," Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva says.

Five victims were being transported to Henry Mayo Hospital, which says that three of them two males and one female arrived in critical condition. The female patient later died. Another male patient was in good condition and a fifth patient was still en route, according to the hospital.

38th school shooting this year

Jfc

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
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This wouldn't have happened if the other students were armed.
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Hasn't it been awhile since the last one actually?

aHappySacka posted...

This wouldn't have happened if the other students were armed.

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Dreaming_King posted...

Hasn't it been awhile since the last one actually?

Less than a month. Is that supposed to make it more acceptable somehow? What the fuck kind of point is this?
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Mad_Max posted...

Dreaming_King posted...

Hasn't it been awhile since the last one actually?

Less than a month. Is that supposed to make it more acceptable somehow? What the fuck kind of point is this?

Then it means it's not "another day, another school shooting".

aHappySacka posted...

This wouldn't have happened if the other students were armed.

Well that's one way to look at it.

Who knew, way back when, those Columbine kids would create this 'trend'?
'Member when the worst thing you had to worry about at school was not doing your homework? Oh, I 'member.
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CaptainStrong posted...

Mad_Max posted...

Dreaming_King posted...

Hasn't it been awhile since the last one actually?

Less than a month. Is that supposed to make it more acceptable somehow? What the fuck kind of point is this?

Then it means it's not "another day, another school shooting".

This was not another day, separate from the last school shooting?
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pionear posted...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/school-active-shooter-california-saugus-161457606.html

No reported deaths yet, but when will the madness end...

When McConnell is no longer Senate Majority Leader and can no longer block the gun law bills piling up on his desk.
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TyVulpine posted...

pionear posted...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/school-active-shooter-california-saugus-161457606.html

No reported deaths yet, but when will the madness end...

When McConnell is no longer Senate Majority Leader and can no longer block the gun law bills piling up on his desk.

No 16 year old can legally possess a handgun in California. And it's also a law that any firearms be properly stored when not in use. What law sitting on McConnell's desk would've stopped this?

Mad_Max posted...

38th school shooting this year

Jfc

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

yeah, no. thats bullshit. have you actually looked up the individual cases of those "shootings"? they include someone firing off campus and the bullet happens to hit somewhere on the premises hurting no one as a "school shooting" or someone who commits suicide in the parking lot or by someone who got shot via a robbery as a school shooting or a lot of them where someone does get hurt in school its usually a specific attack towards one individual who they know with 0 collateral damage, something that could happen pretty much anywhere. in terms of what most would consider a mass shooting situation at school i can "only" see 4 cases including this latest one this year. one is obviously too much, but spouting those blatantly fear mongering "results" helps no one but causing a largely needless panic that your kid has a decent chance of getting shot at school which is just not true.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

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pionear posted...

No reported deaths yet, but when will the madness end...

when people take mental health seriously and actually give a shit about people. there comes a point where its going to get harder and harder to blame the gun. this took place in California which has most of what gun control activists want and yet it still happened and still happens quite frequently in the state and most of these mass shooting situations in the state are done with legally held firearms so you cant throw in that "drove out of state to acquire it" bullshit.

have you actually looked up the individual cases of those "shootings"? they include someone firing off campus and the bullet happens to hit somewhere on the premises hurting no one as a "school shooting" or someone who commits suicide in the parking lot or by someone who got shot via a robbery as a school shooting

Oh OK my mistake.

Hey everyone, as long as people aren't hurt, or are only hurting themselves and no one else, we should be A-OK with shootings happening in public places. Nothing to be concerned with.
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Still don't get why people give this so much attention.

38 in a year? So out of 300 million people, white boys, 38 of them snapped.

Holy shit, my mind is blown. That seems about as unavoidable as a chemical reaction. Imagine if people cared as much about the wars, where exponentially more innocent people die because of our government.

Or the ghetto, where poor uneducated fatherless and violent men murder each other with handguns on a daily basis, making the areas a terrifying third world.

Or people dying from lack of healthcare every day in the united states.

You just have to completely ignore math to put this at the top of your list, which people do. :/ I guess people are more concerned about their own 1/1,000,000 chance to die than a stranger's 1/4.

I guess we have to own them Republicans, but they've done much worse.

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38 in a year? So out of 300 million people, white boys, 38 of them snapped

This isn't the only gun violence in the nation...

Or the ghetto, where poor uneducated fatherless and violent men murder each other with handguns on a daily basis, making the areas a terrifying third world.

... which you yourself point out, so I'm unsure what point you were trying to make?

What makes you think people only want to prevent shootings at schools, and no where else?
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Yellow posted...

38 in a year? So out of 300 million people, white boys, 38 of them snapped.

This is what I always bring up and people plug their ears. The US is 3rd in global population. Every other country in the top ten is stupidly fucked up. The only country with less crime in the top 10 is probably china and that's because they will fucking execute you for farting in the wrong place

Mad_Max posted...

What makes you think people only want to prevent shootings at schools, and no where else?

That's the only thing that gets people excited, so I assume yes.

But I want to see people getting pissed off that the government isn't taking the problem of the ghetto very seriously. A semi-automatic ban/mental health evaluation won't do much in the ghetto, those ideas have specifically spree shooters in mind.

End the drug war, put dealers out of business, dump some money into Chicago and create some economic opportunities for the lower class, something. Ending the drug war would also cut off a huge source of revenue for the Mexican cartel that just out-gunned the Mexican government. I want to see people in the streets over that, not spree shooters.

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That's the only thing that gets people excited, so I assume yes.

Nope.

There's a certain spectacle to a school shooting that the media cannot resist, given the general age of the victims in what should be a safe environment, but they're far from the only mass shootings (workplace/night clubs/concerts/etc) and even further from the only shootings that get reported, though I will concede that higher body counts get a signal boost nationally
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Also, gang and drug trade related gun violence has been on people's radars for decades. Not sure why you think that just because a school shooting gets reported that means that everyone forgets other forms of gun violence.

And if you don't think improving access to resources for treating mental health will help in "the ghettos" then you don't understand the issues affecting the poor. There have been studies into FAS, which is prevalent in lower income communities, linking FAS to violence later in life. And that's just one small facet of mental health.

If you think mental health is not a factor in poor people shooting each other, your head is in the sand.

When people say they want to prevent school shootings, that doesn't mean they don't want to prevent other shootings. The drug war is a whole separate issue, connected through gun violence.
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Mad_Max posted...

Nope.

There's a certain spectacle to a school shooting that the media cannot resist, given the general age of the victims in what should be a safe environment, but they're far from the only mass shootings (workplace/night clubs/concerts/etc) and even further from the only shootings that get reported, though I will concede that higher body counts get a signal boost nationally

Yes but only spree shootings are reported because they're vastly more exciting.

Just the homicides in Chicago cover more than double the homicides of spree shootings in the entire united states in a year, a vast majority done over drug violence.

Then there's the countless body count of the meaningless Middle East wars that only exists because the war industry is a huge part of our economy.

Both of those are direct results of the government. I find the whole outrage basically zoomed in on spree killings disproportionate and biased. They're like the favorite sibling that scraped her knee getting all the attention.

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What kind of argument is that?

"We shouldn't be so worried about people getting shot in schools because more people get shot other places."

We should be concerned with all gun violence, and there are politicians and activist groups tackling all forms of it. But they need to do more, or at least actually do something instead of just talking about doing something all the time
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How can we do something about freak occurrences?

Let's compare say car accidents. There are like a billion traffic laws, road signs, traffic lights to control flow of traffic, punishments for drunk driving and looking at phone while driving, etc.

Do you think more laws will stop car accidents altogether 100%? or hinder irresponsible or intoxicated or otherwise mentally disturbed (e.g. road rage) drivers?
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Amuseum posted...

How can we do something about freak occurrences?

Let's compare say car accidents. There are like a billion traffic laws, road signs, traffic lights to control flow of traffic, punishments for drunk driving and looking at phone while driving, etc.

Do you think more laws will stop car accidents altogether 100%? or hinder irresponsible or intoxicated or otherwise mentally disturbed (e.g. road rage) drivers?

Children shouldn't have to be afraid to go to school, and shouldn't have to worry about getting shot while they're learning, and no parent should get a phone call that their child was shot by a fellow student.
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Yellow posted...

Both of those are direct results of the government. I find the whole outrage basically zoomed in on spree killings disproportionate and biased. They're like the favorite sibling that scraped her knee getting all the attention.

It gets more attention because its more a white people problem. Just being real

People will be more passionate about mental health after seeing Joker than an about the well being of people in ghettos after seeing any movie that takes place in them (eg. Moonlight)

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TyVulpine posted...

Amuseum posted...

How can we do something about freak occurrences?

Let's compare say car accidents. There are like a billion traffic laws, road signs, traffic lights to control flow of traffic, punishments for drunk driving and looking at phone while driving, etc.

Do you think more laws will stop car accidents altogether 100%? or hinder irresponsible or intoxicated or otherwise mentally disturbed (e.g. road rage) drivers?

Children shouldn't have to be afraid to go to school, and shouldn't have to worry about getting shot while they're learning, and no parent should get a phone call that their child was shot by a fellow student.

They are about as likely to be struck by lightning.
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ultra magnus13 posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Amuseum posted...

How can we do something about freak occurrences?

Let's compare say car accidents. There are like a billion traffic laws, road signs, traffic lights to control flow of traffic, punishments for drunk driving and looking at phone while driving, etc.

Do you think more laws will stop car accidents altogether 100%? or hinder irresponsible or intoxicated or otherwise mentally disturbed (e.g. road rage) drivers?

Children shouldn't have to be afraid to go to school, and shouldn't have to worry about getting shot while they're learning, and no parent should get a phone call that their child was shot by a fellow student.

They are about as likely to be struck by lightning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSvJaYxRoB4
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TyVulpine posted...

Amuseum posted...

How can we do something about freak occurrences?

Let's compare say car accidents. There are like a billion traffic laws, road signs, traffic lights to control flow of traffic, punishments for drunk driving and looking at phone while driving, etc.

Do you think more laws will stop car accidents altogether 100%? or hinder irresponsible or intoxicated or otherwise mentally disturbed (e.g. road rage) drivers?

Children shouldn't have to be afraid to go to school, and shouldn't have to worry about getting shot while they're learning, and no parent should get a phone call that their child was shot by a fellow student.

Ahhh the classic emotional appeal with zero substance. I dont think anyone disagrees with that but nothing you said means a fucking thing. You said literally nothing. No solution to anything

aHappySacka posted...

This wouldn't have happened if the other students were armed.

it's silly and borderline offensive to keep all the armless kids in one place anyway.
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Its cause kids have the sense they can do whatever they want these days cause adults give them that ability
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TyVulpine posted...

pionear posted...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/school-active-shooter-california-saugus-161457606.html

No reported deaths yet, but when will the madness end...

When McConnell is no longer Senate Majority Leader and can no longer block the gun law bills piling up on his desk.

This happened in California, which is easily one of the most restrictive states on gun control, if not the most restrictive. Tell us all exactly which further restrictive laws will help, and be specific please.

We need to allow teachers or security staff to go through rigorous training and be allowed to concealed carry in school. It can be optional, but incentivized with extra pay.
We protect our money with armed guards, but not our children.

thankfully there was an armed security person present at the school that got shot up in miami

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Yellow posted...

I guess people are more concerned about their own 1/1,000,000 chance to die than a stranger's 1/4.

And this surprises you why?
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BeerOnTap posted...

TyVulpine posted...

pionear posted...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/school-active-shooter-california-saugus-161457606.html

No reported deaths yet, but when will the madness end...

When McConnell is no longer Senate Majority Leader and can no longer block the gun law bills piling up on his desk.

This happened in California, which is easily one of the most restrictive states on gun control, if not the most restrictive. Tell us all exactly which further restrictive laws will help, and be specific please.

We need to allow teachers or security staff to go through rigorous training and be allowed to concealed carry in school. It can be optional, but incentivized with extra pay.
We protect our money with armed guards, but not our children.

Fighting fire with fire is not the sensible option. If the shooter gets the jump on an armed guard and shoots him, guess what? The shooter now has another weapon.
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