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davidponte
11/14/19 5:40:49 PM
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Good thing the Patriots are back to playing this week so that we can all once again care about the NFL after no one posted last week.
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LeonhartFour
11/14/19 5:42:13 PM
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We were all awed into silence by the majesty of Tennessee's win
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FFDragon
11/14/19 5:48:15 PM
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You mean Lamar Jackson stunting on the Bengals.
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Bartzyx
11/14/19 6:06:06 PM
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I don't think I'm watching much football this week
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Emeraldegg
11/14/19 6:23:18 PM
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I get the lamar hype, and I think he can have a tremendous career, but I think people need to pump the brakes just a tad. People are already putting him on the same level as mike vick, this dude is in his second year. I get that the moves he pulled are like vick's, but I'd like to see it for more than 1 full season before anointing him as the next great dual-threat qb.
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FFDragon
11/14/19 6:29:17 PM
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I feel you.

But at the same time he's only the second QB to have two perfect passer rating games in a season and has more rushing yards himself than 6 entire teams. And it's only week 11.

I'm willing to buy into the hype.
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davidponte
11/14/19 7:34:10 PM
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Shit should I not have gotten that "Lamar Jackson 2019 MVP" tattoo?
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Reg
11/14/19 7:44:02 PM
#8:


davidponte posted...
Shit should I not have gotten that "Lamar Jackson 2019 MVP" tattoo?

Should've gotten a "Lamar Jackson is ELITE" tattoo instead
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davidponte
11/14/19 8:45:58 PM
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He's no Joe Flaccid that's for sure
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ertyu0078
11/14/19 8:54:36 PM
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Lol bengals 0-10 next up
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Reg
11/14/19 10:47:02 PM
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jfc

Juju, Conner, Johnson all injured and knocked out of the game
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LeonhartFour
11/14/19 10:47:59 PM
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thanks for almost quite literally nothing so far Steelers D/ST
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davidponte
11/14/19 11:07:48 PM
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Awful
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theawesomestevr
11/14/19 11:18:40 PM
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How did the Steelers win so many games with such a terrible QB?
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theawesomestevr
11/14/19 11:47:28 PM
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Garrett getting himself suspended with 8 seconds left in a 14-point win. Even when they win they find a way to implode.
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WarThaNemesis2
11/14/19 11:52:12 PM
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Fire Freddie Kitchens right now. This is beyond absurd.
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ScareChan
11/15/19 12:01:56 AM
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That was something
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MrSmartGuy
11/15/19 12:17:00 AM
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I think that's the second wildest thing I've ever seen in any sport in my entire life after Malice at the Palace.
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Aecioo
11/15/19 12:34:50 AM
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MrSmartGuy posted...
I think that's the second wildest thing I've ever seen in any sport in my entire life after Malice at the Palace.


Nothing will ever top Malice at the Palace (involving the athletes, at least) until someone brings out a gun.

Just the craziest thing ever.

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Suprak the Stud
11/15/19 12:38:06 AM
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It doesn't top Malice at the Palace because non sports people don't even believe me when I tell them this is a thing that actually happened.

But that was the craziest thing I've seen in football. I love how Browns went from lovable underdogs to the dirtiest team in football in the span of half a season. I don't see how Garrett plays another down this season which is insane because he's their best player. Kitchens likely should be fired but I doubt he will.
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GranzonEx
11/15/19 12:57:35 AM
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LMFAO that slow motion of Rudolph meekly flopping to the ground after someone lightly shoved him during the fight and pathetically mouthing off the word "bitch" is one of the most embarrassing things I've seen from a grown man
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LadyVyxx
11/15/19 1:15:27 AM
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GranzonEx posted...
LMFAO that slow motion of Rudolph meekly flopping to the ground after someone lightly shoved him during the fight and pathetically mouthing off the word "bitch" is one of the most embarrassing things I've seen from a grown man


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FBike1
11/15/19 4:11:16 AM
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If Garrett isn't suspended for at least the rest of the year I'm fucking done with this league. This is assault with a deadly weapon, plain and simple.
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Crescent-Moon
11/15/19 9:34:48 AM
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I just saw the recap.

The Browns are the new Bengals. On field thugs that show it the worst around Pittsburgh.

Also I give credit to Pouncey for attacking Immediately afterwards.

Also, some idiot on ESPN by the name of Ryan Clark is blaming Rudolph for almost everything and says nothing meaningful happened.

I would say people like him are part of the problem.
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FFDragon
11/15/19 9:42:23 AM
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Everything good in the AFC North has coalesced into the Baltimore Ravens. Anything loveable about the Browns just died again for the next decade.
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FFDragon
11/15/19 9:48:59 AM
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That being said, SLJ has a spicy take

https://twitter.com/SamuelLJackson/status/1195213161667973125
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colliding
11/15/19 9:51:41 AM
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Rudolph's not blameless in this

he tried to take off Garrett's helmet, then he chased after him when his helmet was taken off

of course Garrett's got to be suspended because he actually committed the act, but he was definitely provoked
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FFDragon
11/15/19 9:53:51 AM
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Agreed. He also called him a bitch. Rudolph was definitely a little passive aggressive twerp there.

But this is like someone cutting you off on the highway so you follow them home and kneecap them with a baseball bat. Yeah, they were a dick first but you took it to a whole new level.
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colliding
11/15/19 9:56:38 AM
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I dunno. Garrett was literally walking away from the situation and Rudolph got up and chased after him.
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Leonhart4
11/15/19 10:08:40 AM
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I mean, Garrett literally pulled off his helmet with the intention of clubbing him with it. Mason Rudolph is definitely a punk, too, but you just can't do that.
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Crescent-Moon
11/15/19 10:15:39 AM
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The problem is it looks like Garrett specifically aimed and timed his swing to connect perfectly on his head. If he hit with the wrong part of that helmet, Rudolph would be in the hospital right now, and Garrett would the new Todd Bertuzzi.

There are some people acting like Garrett did nothing wrong at all. This is a problem. Now criminal chargers aren't going to happen - But to act like what happened last night was perfectly reasonable, or to put ALL the blame on Rudolph, and effectively defend Garrett in either process, there's something very wrong in that.

Rudolph isn't innocent of anything but this never should've ended in Garrett trying to cave his skull in.

Max Kellerman is 100% defending everything Garrett did and believes he should only be suspended for show and not for anything he did.

Now I'm reminded why I don't watch things like First Take. Oh well, about to go to work anyway.
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KingButz
11/15/19 10:18:07 AM
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Criminal chargers very rarely happen, actually
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FBike1
11/15/19 10:32:42 AM
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KingButz posted...
Criminal chargers very rarely happen, actually

Rarely does not mean never. This is one time criminal charges are absolutely called for.
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Aecioo
11/15/19 10:52:27 AM
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Crescent-Moon posted...


Now I'm reminded why I don't watch things like First Take. Oh well, about to go to work anyway.


Oh yeah, that's your first mistake. Talking heads yelling at each other while taking completely opposite and polarizing sides is by far the worst thing in sports media.

I've made the leap a few years back to only listening to podcasts and reading a few articles (that are not opinion pieces).

edit - I will say that occasionally I will watch PTI but I consider that to be more of an actual debate show with comedy sprinkled in, vs HOT TAKE YELLING which is stuff like First Take

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Leonhart4
11/15/19 10:54:09 AM
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I still watch ATH and PTI, but as far as sports stuff goes, the only things I consume regularly are Le Batard and Kornheiser's podcast, and they're barely about sports half the time.
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Aecioo
11/15/19 10:54:49 AM
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Leonhart4 posted...
I still watch ATH and PTI, but as far as sports stuff goes, the only things I consume regularly are Le Batard and Kornheiser's podcast, and they're barely about sports half the time.


oh man I snuck in the edit right as you posted.

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LadyVyxx
11/15/19 10:59:43 AM
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Now I'm reminded why I don't watch things like First Take. Oh well, about to go to work anyway.

Kellerman is a knob. I dont mind undisputed, shannon sharpe is usually pretty level headed with his takes.
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Aecioo
11/15/19 11:37:47 AM
#38:


LadyVyxx posted...
Now I'm reminded why I don't watch things like First Take. Oh well, about to go to work anyway.

Kellerman is a knob. I dont mind undisputed, shannon sharpe is usually pretty level headed with his takes.


Kellerman is doing exactly what he has to do on that show, which is why it's terrible. They make the hosts be stupid and terrible and loud for headlines. It's just watching a trainwreck - they hope you can't look away.

It's unfortunate too because Kellerman is actually really level headed and is fantastic when it comes to stuff like boxing, but he puts on such a fake persona because that's the show.

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LadyVyxx
11/15/19 11:39:29 AM
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Aecioo posted...
Kellerman is doing exactly what he has to do on that show, which is why it's terrible. They make the hosts be stupid and terrible and loud for headlines. It's just watching a trainwreck - they hope you can't look away.

It's unfortunate too because Kellerman is actually really level headed and is fantastic when it comes to stuff like boxing, but he puts on such a fake persona because that's the show.


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Leonhart4
11/15/19 12:01:23 PM
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Garrett suspended indefinitely, but a bare minimum of the rest of the season and playoffs in the off chance the Browns actually get there.
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Emeraldegg
11/15/19 12:27:55 PM
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I have no problem with this, I do have a problem with rudolph not getting anything
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Corrik7
11/15/19 12:33:56 PM
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Emeraldegg posted...
I have no problem with this, I do have a problem with rudolph not getting anything
While Garret initiated it with the late hit, which albeit maybe he did not know the ball was out, Rudolph escalated it by going for Garrett's helmet and trying to pull it off on the ground.

Garret just took it 500 levels further.

So, I agree with you.

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Corrik7
11/15/19 12:35:19 PM
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Aecioo posted...
Nothing will ever top Malice at the Palace (involving the athletes, at least) until someone brings out a gun.

Just the craziest thing ever.
Apparently Hockey has had similar incidents in their storied past.

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KingButz
11/15/19 1:32:35 PM
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FBike1 posted...
KingButz posted...
Criminal chargers very rarely happen, actually

Rarely does not mean never. This is one time criminal charges are absolutely called for.


Whoosh
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Suprak the Stud
11/15/19 2:56:19 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
I have no problem with this, I do have a problem with rudolph not getting anything
While Garret initiated it with the late hit, which albeit maybe he did not know the ball was out, Rudolph escalated it by going for Garrett's helmet and trying to pull it off on the ground.

Garret just took it 500 levels further.

So, I agree with you.


Yeah full season+ is fine for Garret but I expected Rudolph to at least get a game for his role in the whole thing. I know what Pouncey did was worse, but his was at least reactionary while Rudolph was antagonistic. I would've been fine with 1-2 games for Pouncey and 1 game for Rudolph imo (even though I knew Pouncey was likely getting more).
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LeonhartFour
11/15/19 3:05:31 PM
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Nelson_Mandela
11/15/19 3:07:16 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Emeraldegg posted...
I have no problem with this, I do have a problem with rudolph not getting anything
While Garret initiated it with the late hit, which albeit maybe he did not know the ball was out, Rudolph escalated it by going for Garrett's helmet and trying to pull it off on the ground.

Garret just took it 500 levels further.

So, I agree with you.


Yeah full season+ is fine for Garret but I expected Rudolph to at least get a game for his role in the whole thing. I know what Pouncey did was worse, but his was at least reactionary while Rudolph was antagonistic. I would've been fine with 1-2 games for Pouncey and 1 game for Rudolph imo (even though I knew Pouncey was likely getting more).

What exactly did Rudolph do that warranted attempted murder on the field?
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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 4:13:36 PM
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Rudolph should be fined for misconduct. Garrett should be arrested and banned for life. That was Burfict levels of thuggery. It was the worst fight I've ever seen in football, though it most definitely wasn't Malice at the Palace level, but that was because there weren't drunk fans at point-blank range to provoke someone like Metta World Peace.

I'm just reading recaps and watching clips but that was something else.
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Corrik7
11/15/19 4:30:34 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
Rudolph should be fined for misconduct. Garrett should be arrested and banned for life. That was Burfict levels of thuggery. It was the worst fight I've ever seen in football, though it most definitely wasn't Malice at the Palace level, but that was because there weren't drunk fans at point-blank range to provoke someone like Metta World Peace.

I'm just reading recaps and watching clips but that was something else.
How was rasheed Wallace there and he was basically an angel lol.

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theawesomestevr
11/15/19 5:41:21 PM
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No one would be saying Rudolph should be fined or suspended if Garrett didn't lose his mind and rip the guy's helmet off and use it as a weapon. Guys get into scuffles all the time in the NFL without fines or suspensions.

Garrett hits him late, drives him into the ground, then won't get off him. Rudolph pulls outside the helmet on the back of his head all while Garrett is continuing to push Rudolph into the ground. There are a hundred different more reasonable ways Garrett could have retaliated without getting fined or suspended.

Instead he decided to reach inside the opposing player's facemask, rip off the opposing player's helmet, and then swing it at his head. The idea that Rudolph needed to just lay there and take it to avoid punishment is ridiculous.

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