Poll of the Day > Thanks, Obama.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/barack-obama-2020-dems.amp.html

This fuck hasnt said shit about all the things facing our nation lately. But he comes out to talk a shot at Bernie and Warren.

They had to bring him in cause everywhere I go I talk to more and more Bernie supporters.
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Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

I don't think anyone wants a centrist. Left policies poll well, even with Republicans.

Medicare for All polls at something like 80% with Democrats and some decent chunk of Republicans depending on which poll you look at.

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The last thing we need is someone telling us "You need to reign in your hopes, I'm not going to fight for you" against a guy who is going to promise crazy shit, lie every time he opens his mouth, and fight for those people who support his horrible platform.

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Cuz that worked out so well in 2016.

This sounds like another piece where they're trying to shill for Deval Patrick for the nomination. His and Bloomberg's entry into this election is really weird because they were "predicted" entrees very early on in the race, before anyone joined. It's clear that this is all being staged by someone.

They're afraid that Biden will loose. I don't know why, Warren is in their camp too.
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eat shit obama

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Judgmenl posted...

This sounds like another piece where they're trying to shill for Deval Patrick for the nomination. His and Bloomberg's entry into this election is really weird because they were "predicted" entrees very early on in the race, before anyone joined. It's clear that this is all being staged by someone.

They're afraid that Biden will loose. I don't know why, Warren is in their camp too.

I am so proud to share a country and this board with you right now.

Im so glad this shit is as obvious as it is to people.
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GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.
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Do they actually think anyone knows who Deval Patrick is?

I thought they were setting up Kamala Harris as the presumptive nominee going into this last year and we see how she did. Giving us people they want to win isn't going to work. People need to fucking earn our votes.

Instead of trashing the people we like, how about they try giving us reasons to vote for the people they like? I have no clue why Biden is running or what he thinks he offers. I know why Bernie and Warren are running.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I thought they were setting up Kamala Harris as the presumptive nominee going into this last year and we see how she did. Giving us people they want to win isn't going to work. People need to fucking earn our votes.

This isn't how it works lol. We haven't had life changing events in our generation for them to field a strong leader. I'm surprised that they haven't started pushing out media influencers and hollywood stars yet because DC has such a negative reputation, even with boomers.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I have no clue why Biden is running or what he thinks he offers. I know why Bernie and Warren are running.

He offers stability and "more of the same". You need to understand that "Democrats" are not "Progressives" or even "Liberals". This concept is just European influence pushing onto the American populace through social manipulation.
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CaptainStrong posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Cuz that worked out so well in 2016.

Hillary totally tried to appeal to the far left though. Its just it didnt work because everyone already knew who she was. A lying, corrupt establishment warhawk

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

Anyone a solid "right" and left of that is going to be a leftist or a "rino" to Trump republicans. Trying to run center/center-right candidates making comments that basically equate to "I'm not interested in fighting for you" isn't going to earn votes.

Obama won by having a vision, be basically ran on health care and he won.

I can't see the last post in this thread despite the user not being on my ignore list. The fuck?
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Judgmenl posted...

I can't see the last post in this thread despite the user not being on my ignore list. The fuck?

That means they blocked you

More blood on Obama's hands
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Judgmenl posted...

I can't see the last post in this thread despite the user not being on my ignore list. The fuck?

Are you ignoring Mead or GameLord113? Posts quoting users you have ignored don't show up.

lol Mead
@Mead finally unignored you. Happy?
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Judgmenl posted...

lol Mead
@Mead finally unignored you. Happy?

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I'm just laughing at everyone partaking in the left vs right battle. It's a back and forth seesaw and most idiots dont realize someone owns the seesaw

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

And Dems won't vote for anyone slightly right of center.

You arent wrong
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I think Democrats would vote for basically anything that isn't trump this election personally.

^ Mike pence?

OhhhJa posted...

^ Mike pence?

I'd have favored Mike Pence over HRC in 2016.
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Judgmenl posted...

OhhhJa posted...

^ Mike pence?

I'd have favored Mike Pence over HRC in 2016.

I'd rather just not vote than choose between two piles of diarrhea. I'd feel less dirty that way

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

ahahahaha
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

ahahahaha

What, do you actually think she was a progressive?

The democrats are so whacked out that people think a raging psycho like hillary is moderate. Lmao. The Republicans are fucked up too but goddamn

CaptainStrong posted...

Cuz that worked out so well in 2016.

Yeah, Hil/billy were "moderate"? They were objectionable enough to lose to a reality TV "personality".

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CaptainStrong posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

ahahahaha

What, do you actually think she was a progressive?

If all you consume is conservative media then yeah, she is extremely liberal.

If you live in the real world then youll see shes a moderate.
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A moderate warhawk... interesting. Tbh in terms of her stance on most social issues, she was nearly identical to Bernie Sanders. Not that I think she actually maintains any political stance because she actually believes what she's saying. I mean just a decade ago her and obama were both calling for increased border strength

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

And Dems won't vote for anyone slightly right of center.

You arent wrong

I'm sick of politics. I'm sick of MSM. And I'm sick of blind loyalty. Just look at all the people shitting on Obama on Twitter right now. If he said "Too far left" 10 years ago those people would be praising him.

Times change.
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The Democratic Party is the party of moderate warharks. Anyone who gets elected from that party will be a moderate warhawk. I mean it's no different than trump who is a conservative warhawk.
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Hillary is not moderate in any way. Biden is far more moderate

Does Zeus ever accept that nobody is responding to him because his bait is pathetically obvious?

...or...

Does he just keep posting until someone gives him some sort of attention like I just did?
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Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

And Dems won't vote for anyone slightly right of center.

You arent wrong

I'm sick of politics. I'm sick of MSM. And I'm sick of blind loyalty. Just look at all the people shitting on Obama on Twitter right now. If he said "Too far left" 10 years ago those people would be praising him.

Times change.

yea democrat party changed into communist party. so obama wisely warned against going full communist.

also hillary was a known evil, horrible person. imagine being more horrible than trump. she's pathetic.
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Obama had a chance to get rid of the Regan tax cuts and didn't. He wasted his first year all together when he had a majority.

Bernie MAY actually be for the people (not for the rich), although at this point it's hard to feel any politiican actually is.

As far as left vs right, it's not a real divide, it's made up by the wealthy to keep us fighting each other so they can stay in power easier.

Abortion? Leave it up to the individuals. It's not illegal, but also you can't force a doctor etc to perform them. I'd go so far as to actually allow it to be decided on a state to state basis, and if you don't like that states laws, move to another one (or visit another one briefly to get an abortion and then come back).

Gun control? You have the right to bear arms, but just like a car, you need to pass a test and get licensed. That would be an improvement at least and would allow our country to focus on things we really need, like our infrastructure. Yes, gun control is important, but.....your not going to change the minds of so many people right away, so stop trying, focus on something everyone can agree on, and then over time if people change how they think......THEN focus on it again.

But nope, none of that matters because it's Dem vs Rep and whatever party gets in power, the other party will do everything they can to sabatoge them. It's not checks and balances, it's political assassination.

Meanwhile, even if Bearni actually gets into office, he won't have much power unless he has a majority as well.....and even many Dems are not on board with what he proposes etc. Wealth rules this country and Bearni is more concerned with the non-wealthy citizens and actively attacks the 1%.....where all the power is. Even if he became president he would probably find himself with almost no power at all.

Ain't no solution either cause the rich and corporations hold all the power and they ain't given it up. Can't have a revolution (too destructive not just to our country but the world), which is pretty much the only way to break the current power base, so we are stuck.

You can lie to yourself and try and believe we actually have power and can make a difference, but the truth is money is everything, and the people with the money like the current setup......so the only changes we will really see are ones that benefit then, or at least don't inconvienence/hurt them.
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HornedLion posted...

Does Zeus ever accept that nobody is responding to him because his bait is pathetically obvious?

...or...

Does he just keep posting until someone gives him some sort of attention like I just did?

...Are there people that don't have Zeus on ignore?

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Imagine thinking Hillary is a liberal.
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What does liberal really even mean now? It definitely isn't used the way it originally was intended

OhhhJa posted...

What does liberal really even mean now? It definitely isn't used the way it originally was intended

You'll have to define it for me :shrug:.
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Amuseum posted...

Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

And Dems won't vote for anyone slightly right of center.

You arent wrong

I'm sick of politics. I'm sick of MSM. And I'm sick of blind loyalty. Just look at all the people shitting on Obama on Twitter right now. If he said "Too far left" 10 years ago those people would be praising him.

Times change.

yea democrat party changed into communist party. so obama wisely warned against going full communist.

also hillary was a known evil, horrible person. imagine being more horrible than trump. she's pathetic.

lol wtf

Apparently "liberals" and "leftists" were arguing on Twitter earlier today.
No idea what that means.
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Zareth posted...

Apparently "liberals" and "leftists" were arguing on Twitter earlier today.
No idea what that means.

Sounds like a bunch of Europeans thinking they know anything about US politics. That happens daily over there
(not that I'd know - I don't have a twitter and never will)
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Amuseum posted...

Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Mead posted...

GameLord113 posted...

Hes right though. Going too far left will alienate the middle. A moderate democratic candidate is the best bet to win the election.

Bull. Shit.

Hilary was the moderate candidate in 2016. Almost no one is fires up to vote for Biden and going with him is a great way to get voters to stay home in 2020.

The whole idea of moderate electability is absolute nonsense because conservatives are never gonna vote for anyone even slightly left of center.

And Dems won't vote for anyone slightly right of center.

You arent wrong

I'm sick of politics. I'm sick of MSM. And I'm sick of blind loyalty. Just look at all the people shitting on Obama on Twitter right now. If he said "Too far left" 10 years ago those people would be praising him.

Times change.

yea democrat party changed into communist party. so obama wisely warned against going full communist.

also hillary was a known evil, horrible person. imagine being more horrible than trump. she's pathetic.

this post is direct outta bananaland
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