Current Events > Obummer wants a moderate candidate in 2020.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/16/barack-obama-urges-moderation-2020-democratic-contenders/4213180002/
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He wants Biden obviously
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Obama: Maybe we can't.

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Baquack Obamailure
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Do you just shift from one gimmick to another or is there actual logic to your topics?

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Based Obama
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bover_87 posted...

Do you just shift from one gimmick to another or is there actual logic to your topics?

What do you mean?
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Obama has Lyndon B Johnson'd himself.
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Cant fail to keep a promise if you dont make one
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Doe posted...

Obama has Lyndon B Johnson'd himself.

He flashed people from an airplane window?
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shockthemonkey posted...

The dude who got elected on hope and change then failed to deliver on most of it wants someone who promises nothing. Fantastic.

A moderate candidate isn't necessarily one who doesn't make promises.
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So much for Change

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obama's just showing his true colors as an establishment suit now that he doesn't have to worry about elections

but honestly a moderate is a more viable choice for the party to run until the economy collapses on itself again
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shockthemonkey posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

The dude who got elected on hope and change then failed to deliver on most of it wants someone who promises nothing. Fantastic.

A moderate candidate isn't necessarily one who doesn't make promises.

Amongst the current candidates, which moderate promises do you think will inspire voters and help the country?

Buttigieg maybe?
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oBaMa Is ThE bEsT pReSiDeNt EvEr!!!

shockthemonkey posted...

The dude who got elected on hope and change then failed to deliver on most of it wants someone who promises nothing. Fantastic.

Doesnt that apply to all modern presidents?
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Godnorgosh posted...

My respect for Obama is measured at a volume smaller than the sip of water he pretended to take while in Flint, MI.

lol

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He has a point. Both sides of the spectrum on the far end are terrible
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Obviously having a moderate president is unpossible in bipartisan Murrica, especially in this day and age.

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Godnorgosh posted...

My respect for Obama is measured at a volume smaller than the sip of water he pretended to take while in Flint, MI.

But you'll jump up and down for Trump.

Typical............

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A moderate president wants his moderate VP to become president. So shocking.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The dude who got elected on hope and change then failed to deliver on most of it wants someone who promises nothing. Fantastic.

So the solution is to elect someone who promises drastically more? Surely MORE promises will mean more deliveries, right? It couldn't possibly be that the US government by its very nature is difficult and slow to change so making giant hollow promises is a waste of everyone's time, right?

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Any future moderate candidate will be less talented and less intelligent than Obama, will be less inspiring, will have less black support etc so it stands to reason that they will get even less done than him. Pete, Klobuchar, Harris etc couldn't hold Obama's jock and will be up against an even more deranged Republican Party that proved to itself that obstruction works.

Obama was the best version of Obama we're going to get and it didn't work. We need something different, not to double down on his approach when it's proven insufficient.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

He has a point. Both sides of the spectrum on the far end are terrible

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Bishop9800 posted...

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But you'll jump up and down for Trump.

Typical............

Oh he's one of those Trump supporters?

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

He has a point. Both sides of the spectrum on the far end are terrible

Literally not a single candidate is on the extreme end of the spectrum.

Weird how people use the word "spectrum" and then still speak about politics as if it's 4 or 5 points on a line.

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Obama's weakest point is he is often delusionally optimistic to the point of semi self destruction.
he genuinely believes in a America that is often less bitter and brighter than the actual fairly balkanized country we actually have.
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coolboy11 posted...

Obama's weakest point is he is often delusionally optimistic to the point of semi self destruction.
he genuinely believes in a America that is often less bitter and brighter than the actual fairly balkanized country we actually have.

He sees what we could be, not what we are. A refreshing view, but we aren't there yet.

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shockthemonkey posted...

The dude who got elected on hope and change then failed to deliver on most of it wants someone who promises nothing. Fantastic.

yup

most politicians are a joke
too cowardly and weak to want and strive for real change

also lmfao at calling Godnorgosh

Americans always accuse people who don't like liberal democratics as being right wing

because Americans don't really want what leftwing is, they certainly have never seen it

people like Hillary and Obama are quite conservative in countless countries

but Americans are arrogant and ignorant

LMAO at "obama seeing what we could be"

He's no visionary

he doesn't see that far

All he sees an america that is slightly less shit than it is

which idk call me a purist a dreamer whatever you want
that's not enough for me

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hockeybub89 posted...

RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...

He has a point. Both sides of the spectrum on the far end are terrible

Literally not a single candidate is on the extreme end of the spectrum.

You don't have to be Stalin or Hitler to be on the far end of the spectrum. "Far" is relative.

Bernie Sanders is an actual socialist. I think Elizabeth Warren says things that make her popular among Bernie fans without necessarily believing them. For that reason I think she would make a good fairly left-wing President, but based on what she says she supports GREATLY increasing the scope of the federal government. All of the major Democrats are anti-gun rights to varying degrees. On the other hand, Trump is pretty right wing economically but he's also VERY authoritarian, which explains why he supports tariffs at his discretion.

Politics in America is getting more and more polarized, so there are fewer people with views on both sides of the spectrum (like the dude who just got reelected in Louisiana) with political power today. It's not surprising that a moderate conservative or even a moderate liberal would look at Warren's call to more than double the federal budget to pay for universal health care and be concerned.
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Doe posted...

Obama has Lyndon B Johnson'd himself.

He pissed on himself?
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Obama only seems centrist compared to Bernie. He was far left at the time. Compare him to Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.
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BilalPowell posted...

He wants Biden obviously

Is that why he literally told Biden "you don't have to do this, Joe" before the campaign? >_>
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lmfao at jumping down Godnorgosh's neck as a Trump supporter just because he doesn't like Obama

I don't like Obama either, clearly that means I'm wearing a MAGA hat

There are only 2 kinds of people in the world. Those who support all Republicans ever and those who support all Democrats ever.
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Just because Obama talked hope & change doesnt mean he wasnt a moderate.
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BilalPowell posted...

He wants Biden obviously

He kind of took a swipe at Biden with his remarks though.

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Obama never stopped pushing for change. Even in this speech, he's advocating for it. But since he isn't pushing for a revolution people are just going to pretend like he is a traitor or something.

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so much for hope and change

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BilalPowell posted...

Obama only seems centrist compared to Bernie. He was far left at the time. Compare him to Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

What far left thing did he do or even advocate at the time? This seems like revisionist history to me.
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legendary_zell posted...

BilalPowell posted...

Obama only seems centrist compared to Bernie. He was far left at the time. Compare him to Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

What far left thing did he do or even advocate at the time? This seems like revisionist history to me.

It is! His biggest legislative achievements: the stimulus bill and PPACA, were both designed with appeasing Republicans and relevant industries in mind(in fact, PPACA was basically written by the health insurance industry lobbyists like Tom Daschle, which then opposed it anyway), with the goal of constructing uncontroversial bills which would receive a lot of broad support: both in Congress and from the public.
This led to weak bills that nobody liked, and of course the Republicans hated them both: the stimulus bill got all of three Republican votes, and PPACA got none.
Obama also ramped up deportations and gave both ICE and CBP more power and money to go after undocumented people, in an attempt to appease anti-immigration Republicans and demonstrate that he was a "law-and-order" type who could be trusted.

BilalPowell posted...

Obama only seems centrist compared to Bernie. He was far left at the time. Compare him to Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

Gravel ran in 08 and he made Obama look like Bush.
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