Board 8 > Survivor: Island of the Idols Discussion Topic #3: We are thankful for Noura

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Espeon
12/06/19 3:29:22 PM
#151:


The problem with Cambodias cast is that, aside from Shirin, Stephen and Kass having storylines that were direct reactions to their original seasons (the bullying victim becomes the alleged bully, not wanting to lose to the golden boy again, trying to play in a nice manner), Abi being batshit crazy for four episodes, and Spencers fabricated story of learning to have emotions...the other 75% of the cast feels completely interchangeable with one another.

Like, the fans voted (on an arbitrary selection of players selected by the producers), and they chose this cast, and why did we even bother?

If you liked Vytas, he was irrelevant and literally anyone couldve gotten the hes kind of a sleaze boot.

If you liked Shirin, even though Jeff tried to force a storyline of her going from hero to villain, anyone couldve gotten her youre an untrustworthy gamebot edit.

If you liked Peih-Gee, anyone couldve gotten on Abis bad side and gotten her edit.

If you liked Varner, anyone couldve gotten his edit.

Etc, etc.

The whole cast is just this gray cloud of generic strategy, with a handful of characters (Kelly, Abi, Kimmi, Keith) who got shunted to the background because they werent constantly strategizing and in game mode.

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Naye745
12/06/19 6:16:47 PM
#152:


yeah but those are the first four boots - the first four players rarely have any particularly lengthy and compelling edit unless they really did something to stand out. and the fact that they are players people may have already cared about is a staple of returnee seasons (hi rudy, rob c, yau-man, randy, etc...)

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Naye745
12/06/19 6:18:00 PM
#153:


i also thought varner and shirin had fine edits for their contributions to the season and think you're selling short the stories of jeremy, savage, and of course kelley wentworth

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Inviso
12/06/19 6:24:35 PM
#154:


Without describing her in terms of strategy, what is Kelley Wentworth's story in Cambodia?

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Underleveled
12/06/19 7:44:03 PM
#155:


97. James "J.T." Thomas, Jr. (Tocantins, 1st place) (7.17)
97. Erik Reichenbach (Micronesia, 5th place) (7.17)
97. Jean-Robert Bellande (China, 9th place) (7.17)
97. Amy O'Hara (Guatemala, 11th place) (7.17)
97. Bobby Jon Drinkard (Guatemala, 9th place) (7.17)
97. Angie Jakusz (Palau, 13th place) (7.17)
92. Davie Rickenbacker (David vs. Goliath, 6th place) (7.2)
92. Chrissy Hofbeck (Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers, 2nd place) (7.2)
92. David Wright (Millennials vs. Gen X, 4th place) (7.2)
92. Rory Freeman (Vanuatu, 10th place) (7.2)
92. Brian Heidik (Thailand, 1st place) (7.2)
91. Stephanie Johnson (Ghost Island, 16th place) (7.25)
90. Michaela Bradshaw (Game Changers, 7th place) (7.28)
88. J'Tia Taylor (Cagayan, 15th place) (7.29)
88. Tina Wesson (Blood vs. Water, 4th place) (7.29)
79. Debbie Wanner (Kaoh Rong, 9th place) (7.33)
79. Jerri Manthey (Heroes vs. Villains, 4th place) (7.33)
79. Dave Ball (Samoa, 8th place) (7.33)
79. Jason Siska (Micronesia, 8th place) (7.33)
79. Anh-Tuan "Cao Boi" Bui (Cook Islands, 15th place) (7.33)
79. Bobby "Bob Dawg" Mason (Exile Island, 12th place) (7.33)
79. Shii Ann Huang (All-Stars, 6th place) (7.33)
79. Heidi Strobel (The Amazon, 5th place) (7.33)
79. Teresa "T-Bird" Cooper (Africa, 5th place) (7.33)

Samoa is just a buncha babies playin with the greatest playa ta eva play the gaiem anyway.

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Naye745
12/06/19 9:47:07 PM
#156:


good god why is wendy still here lol

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Naye745
12/06/19 9:49:54 PM
#157:


also noura should be at least this high if we added ioi people tbqh

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Underleveled
12/06/19 10:45:41 PM
#158:


Naye745 posted...
also noura should be at least this high if we added ioi people tbqh
The threshold for Top 50 was a score of 8. In fact, we did get a clean top 50, with 8 being the exact cutoff. I imagine Noura would get at least that.

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Underleveled
12/06/19 11:01:48 PM
#159:


77. Gabby Pascuzzi (David vs. Goliath, 8th place) (7.4)
77. Lauren Rimmer (Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers, 7th place) (7.4)
73. Kass McQuillen (Cambodia, 13th place) (7.43)
73. Stephen Fishbach (Cambodia, 9th place) (7.43)
73. Tasha Fox (Cagayan, 6th place) (7.43)
73. Spencer Bledsoe (Cagayan, 4th place) (7.43)
68. Benjamin "Coach" Wade (Tocantins, 5th place) (7.5)
68. Jonathan Penner (Micronesia, 15th place) (7.5)
68. Bruce Kanegai (Exile Island, 7th place) (7.5)
68. Jerri Manthey (All-Stars, 10th place) (7.5)
68. Colby Donaldson (The Australian Outback, 2nd place) (7.5)
64. Cirie Fields (Game Changers, 6th place) (7.57)
64. Jeremy Collins (Cambodia, 1st place) (7.57)
64. Vytas Baskauskas (Blood vs. Water, 10th place) (7.57)
64. Ciera Eastin (Blood vs. Water, 5th place) (7.57)
63. Ami Cusack (Vanuatu, 6th place) (7.6)
60. Parvati Shallow (Micronesia, 1st place) (7.67)
60. Danni Boatwright (Guatemala, 1st place) (7.67)
60. James Miller (Palau, 12th place) (7.67)
58. Trish Hegarty (Cagayan, 5th place) (7.71)
58. Yung "Woo" Hwang (Cagayan, 2nd place) (7.71)
57. Chris Noble (Ghost Island, 13th place) (7.75)
52. Yul Kwon (Cook Islands, 1st place) (7.83)
52. Ian Rosenberg (Palau, 3rd place) (7.83)
52. Rob Mariano (Marquesas, 10th place0 (7.83)
52. Tom Buchanan (Africa, 4th place) (7.83)
52. Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback, 1st place) (7.83)
51. Kass McQuillen (Cagayan, 3rd place) (7.86)

No More Heroes (or Healers, or Hustlers)
Hey now, no more All-Stars
Is Blood really thicker than water? Doesn't matter now I guess.
Ghost Island is now just as its name suggests
Palau went the way of Ulong
And finally, this list has blessed the rains down in Africa for the final time

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Underleveled
12/06/19 11:26:25 PM
#160:


Season exit update (along with each season's highest ranking castaway):
37t. One World (Kim Spradlin & Greg "Tarzan" Smith)
37t. Redemption Island (Andrea Boehlke)
36. Worlds Apart (Rodney Lavoie, Jr.)
35. Caramoan (Andrea Boehlke)
33t. South Pacific (Sophie Clarke)
33t. Nicaragua (Judson "Fabio" Birza)
32. Samoa (Dave Ball)
31. Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Lauren Rimmer)
30. All-Stars (Jerri Manthey)
29. Blood vs. Water (Ciera Eastin & Vytas Baskauskas)
28. Ghost Island (Chris Noble)
26t. Palau (Ian Rosenberg)
26t. Africa (Tom Buchanan)

Seasons still in the running (last remaining castaway noted on applicable seasons):
Borneo
The Australian Outback (Jerri Manthey)
Marquesas (Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien)
Thailand
The Amazon
Pearl Islands
Vanuatu
Guatemala (Gary Hogeboom)
Exile Island
Cook Islands (Jonathan Penner)
Fiji
China
Micronesia
Gabon (Randy Bailey)
Tocantins
Heroes vs. Villains
Philippines
Cagayan (Tony Vlachos)
San Juan del Sur (Natalie Anderson)
Cambodia (Kelley Wentworth)
Kaoh Rong
Millennials vs. Gen X (Michaela Bradshaw)
Game Changers (Sandra Diaz-Twine)
David vs. Goliath
Edge of Extinction

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Mewtwo59
12/06/19 11:57:41 PM
#161:


Lame that Tony's the only one from Cagayan to make top 50.

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Underleveled
12/07/19 12:34:08 AM
#162:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Lame that Tony's the only one from Cagayan to make top 50.
It is interesting to me that Cagayan had the highest number of castaways in the top 100 of any season, but once we hit that milestone they suddenly dropped like flies.

Also that Thailand is almost universally considered to be the worst of the original 7, yet had the most castaways make the top 100 from that era.

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MartinFF7
12/07/19 12:39:18 AM
#163:


Naye745 posted...
good god why is wendy still here lol

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Underleveled
12/07/19 12:41:25 AM
#164:


Wendy is amazing and totally deserves to still be in and I'm not gonna hear another word otherwise.

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Naye745
12/07/19 12:48:23 AM
#165:


wendy lasted 5 episodes, she is not a top 50 character by any metric

reem shouldnt be here either and she was actually pretty great

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Mewtwo59
12/07/19 12:48:56 AM
#166:


It's got to be recency bias. Same with Reem. I like her, but she has no business being here with some of the names we've already lost.

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Inviso
12/07/19 12:49:39 AM
#167:


Who's even left at this point?

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Underleveled
12/07/19 1:08:55 AM
#168:


Inviso posted...
Who's even left at this point?
Richard Hatch (Borneo, 1st place)
Sue Hawk (Borneo, 4th place)
Greg Buis (Borneo, 9th place)

Jerri Manthey (The Australian Outback, 8th place)

Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien (Marquesas, 3rd place)

Helen Glover (Thailand, 4th place)
Shii Ann Huang (Thailand, 10th place)
Robb Zbacnik (Thailand, 11th place)

Matthew von Ertfelda (The Amazon, 2nd place)
Rob Cesternino (The Amazon, 3rd place)

Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, 1st place)
Jon "Jonny Fairplay" Dalton (Pearl Islands, 3rd place)
Rupert Boneham (Pearl Islands, 8th place)

Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu, 1st place)
Eliza Orlins (Vanuatu, 4th place)

Gary Hogeboom (Guatemala, 7th place)

Cirie Fields (Exile Island, 4th place)
Shane Powers (Exile Island, 5th place)
Courtney Marit (Exile Island, 6th place)

Jonathan Penner (Cook Islands, 7th place)

Earl Cole (Fiji, 1st place)
Yau-Man Chan (Fiji, 4th place)

Todd Herzog (China, 1st place)
Courtney Yates (China, 2nd place)
Amanda Kimmel (China, 3rd place)
Peih-Gee Law (China, 5th place)
James Clement (China, 7th place)

Cirie Fields (Micronesia, 3rd place)
Eliza Orlins (Micronesia, 10th place)

Randy Bailey (Gabon, 8th place)

Stephen Fishbach (Tocantins, 2nd place)
Tyson Apostol (Tocantins, 8th place)

Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains, 1st place)
Parvati Shallow (Heroes vs. Villains, 2nd place)
Courtney Yates (Heroes vs. Villains, 11th place)
Rob Mariano (Heroes vs. Villains, 13th place)

Denise Stapley (Philippines, 1st place)
Malcolm Freberg (Philippines, 4th place)
Jonathan Penner (Philippines, 7th place)

Tony Vlachos (Cagayan, 1st place)

Natalie Anderson (San Juan del Sur, 1st place)

Kelley Wentworth (Cambodia, 4th place)

Aubry Bracco (Kaoh Rong, 2nd place)
Tai Trang (Kaoh Rong, 3rd place)

Michaela Bradshaw (Millennials vs. Gen X, 14th place)

Sandra Diaz-Twine (Game Changers, 15th place)

Angelina Keeley (David vs. Goliath, 3rd place)
Christian Hubicki (David vs. Goliath, 7th place)

Reem Daly (Edge of Extinction, 16th place)
Wendy Diaz (Edge of Extinction, 17th place)

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Underleveled
12/07/19 1:11:28 AM
#169:


I think my biggest "huh?" with the top 50 is HvV Courtney. I love her as much as the next person, but for HvV she is simply not top 50. I think she benefited tremendously from the previously mentioned "returnee that I liked in a previous season" syndrome.

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Naye745
12/07/19 1:29:53 AM
#170:


hvv courtney rules

why is robb still here, he is actually a worse choice than wendy lmao

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Underleveled
12/07/19 10:07:07 AM
#171:


Robb Z is amazing. He's basically a younger Shane. And since he came before Shane you could say that Shane is an older Robb Z.

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GTM
12/07/19 11:45:58 AM
#172:


Underleveled posted...
Season exit update (along with each season's highest ranking castaway):
37t. One World (Kim Spradlin & Greg "Tarzan" Smith)
37t. Redemption Island (Andrea Boehlke)
36. Worlds Apart (Rodney Lavoie, Jr.)
35. Caramoan (Andrea Boehlke)
33t. South Pacific (Sophie Clarke)
33t. Nicaragua (Judson "Fabio" Birza)
32. Samoa (Dave Ball)
31. Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Lauren Rimmer)
30. All-Stars (Jerri Manthey)
29. Blood vs. Water (Ciera Eastin & Vytas Baskauskas)
28. Ghost Island (Chris Noble)
26t. Palau (Ian Rosenberg)
26t. Africa (Tom Buchanan)

can you also add ", [score]" for the next update?

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GTM
12/07/19 11:48:10 AM
#173:


[courtney's impression of russell.gif]

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Inviso
12/07/19 11:58:01 AM
#174:


The 10 biggest "Why Are They Still In" choices are:

Earl Cole
Amanda Kimmel
James Clement
Stephen Fishbach
Malcolm Freburg
Jonathan Penner (Philippines)
Kelley Wentworth
Michaela Bradshaw
Reem Daly
Wendy Diaz

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GTM
12/07/19 11:58:42 AM
#175:


cause some people enjoy them

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12/07/19 12:00:41 PM
#176:


like I disagree with Greg B for example but I dont question why he's still in

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Inviso
12/07/19 12:02:07 PM
#177:


Thanks, Luster.

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GTM
12/07/19 12:13:03 PM
#178:


no problem

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UnderUrMattress
12/07/19 2:00:06 PM
#179:


There were 7 players from Cagayan at top 100 but now only one

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Underleveled
12/07/19 3:37:20 PM
#180:


43. Tai Trang (Kaoh Rong, 3rd place) (8)
43. Jonathan Penner (Philippines, 7th place) (8)
43. Rob Mariano (Heroes vs. Villains, 13th place) (8)
43. Peih-Gee Law (China, 5th place) (8)
43. Amanda Kimmel (China, 3rd place) (8)
43. Earl Cole (Fiji, 1st place) (8)
43. Gary Hogeboom (Guatemala, 7th place) (8)
43. Helen Glover (Thailand, 4th place) (8)
41. Tyson Apostol (Tocantins, 8th place) (8.17)
41. Greg Buis (Borneo, 9th place) (8.17)
39. Michaela Bradshaw (Millennials vs. Gen X, 14th place) (8.2)
39. Robb Zbacnik (Thailand, 11th place) (8.2)
38. Wendy Diaz (Edge of Extinction, 17th place) (8.25)
37. Malcolm Freberg (Philippines, 4th place) (8.29)
34. Parvati Shallow (Heroes vs. Villains, 2nd place) (8.33)
34. James Clement (China, 7th place) (8.33)
34. Matthew von Ertfelda (The Amazon, 2nd place) (8.33)
32. Angelina Keeley (David vs. Goliath, 3rd place) (8.4)
32. Shii-Ann Huang (Thailand, 10th place) (8.4)
28. Aubry Bracco (Kaoh Rong, 2nd place) (8.5)
28. Stephen Fishbach (Tocantins, 2nd place) (8.5)
28. Eliza Orlins (Micronesia, 10th place) (8.5)
28. Jonathan Penner (Cook Islands, 7th place) (8.5)
27. Kelley Wentworth (Cambodia, 4th place) (8.57)
26. Eliza Orlins (Vanuatu, 4th place) (8.6)

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Mewtwo59
12/07/19 3:48:57 PM
#181:


Aww, I was hoping Aubry and Tai would tie again.

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Espeon
12/07/19 3:50:30 PM
#182:


So Reem is the only one of my ten list that made top 25.

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bwburke94
12/07/19 4:23:43 PM
#183:


25 to go. Methinks we should split this into two parts for the hype.

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Underleveled
12/07/19 4:36:38 PM
#184:


Tomorrow: 25-11

Monday: 10-1 (with pics) over the course of the day

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UnderUrMattress
12/07/19 9:31:04 PM
#185:


Nice.

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Naye745
12/07/19 9:37:28 PM
#186:


argh that 26-32 list could practically stand in for my top 10 lol

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12/08/19 1:58:53 PM
#187:


8.5 is still a great score

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CoolCly
12/08/19 2:49:54 PM
#188:


do people like Abi-Maria? i havent seen her on the show and i thought she was super obnoxious at the live know it alls this week. but it sounds like people loved her being there.

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Inviso
12/08/19 2:54:28 PM
#189:


Abi-Maria is a hilarious character. You need those wild cards to liven the show up. It's like Noura.

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Underleveled
12/08/19 3:39:38 PM
#190:


Abi-Maria is fantastic. The board opinion on her has shifted drastically. While the season was airing, she was one of the most reviled contestants ever on this board. Only Inviso and I came to her defense. But people learned to love her on rewatches and following her second season.

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12/08/19 4:03:21 PM
#191:


she has her moments both ways. I think the way she acts sometimes is very ingrained and I do think it's partially cultural so I dont give too much hate on her for it.

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Underleveled
12/08/19 5:49:53 PM
#192:


22. Randy Bailey (Gabon, 8th place) (8.67)
22. Cirie Fields (Micronesia, 3rd place) (8.67)
22. Rupert Boneham (Pearl Islands, 8th place) (8.67)
22. Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien (Marquesas, 3rd place) (8.67)
21. Reem Daly (Edge of Extinction, 16th place) (8.75)
20. Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu, 1st place) (8.8)
18. Courtney Yates (Heroes vs. Villains, 11th place) (8.83)
18. Courtney Marit (Exile Island, 6th place) (8.83)
16. Natalie Anderson (San Juan del Sur, 1st place) (8.86)
16. Denise Stapley (Philippines, 1st place) (8.86)
14. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Game Changers, 15th place) (9)
14. Sue Hawk (Borneo, 4th place) (9)
11. Todd Herzog (China, 1st place) (9.33)
11. Rob Cesternino (The Amazon, 3rd place) (9.33)
11. Richard Hatch (Borneo, 1st place) (9.33)

Ladies and germs, our top 10:
Jerri Manthey (The Australian Outback, 8th place)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, 1st place)
Jon "Jonny Fairplay" Dalton (Pearl Islands, 3rd place)
Cirie Fields (Exile Island, 4th place)
Shane Powers (Exile Island, 5th place)
Yau-Man Chan (Fiji, 4th place)
Courtney Yates (China, 2nd place)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Heroes vs. Villains, 1st place)
Tony Vlachos (Cagayan, 1st place)
Christian Hubicki (David vs. Goliath, 7th place)

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bwburke94
12/08/19 6:11:26 PM
#193:


It's amazing how the popular opinion of Jerri has changed over the years.

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Great_Paul
12/08/19 6:36:14 PM
#194:


Glad to see my favourite player make the top 10.

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MartinFF7
12/08/19 7:58:29 PM
#195:


Pretty great top 10!

How many 10/10 were there, again? Because I did some skim-watching of post-merge HvV to refresh my memory and thinking Sandra there is 10/10... but maybe I need to rewatch PI post-merge too, it has been a few years... unless she's 10 in both.
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Naye745
12/08/19 8:03:00 PM
#196:


i actually sort of prefer heroes v villains jerri to australia

but i can get behind this top 10

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Inviso
12/08/19 8:03:26 PM
#197:


I was expecting Cesternino as the perfect 10. Guess not.

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Underleveled
12/08/19 8:04:09 PM
#198:


MartinFF7 posted...
How many 10/10 were there, again?
Just one.

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Underleveled
12/08/19 8:29:16 PM
#199:


So I've been working on a thing, something that came to my mind at work today, and since I have such a mindless job I have a lot of time to think at work, and came up with this. I have divided the Survivor winners into 7 types, and even included which type 6 or the 7 remaining IoI players would fall under should they win. I'm not sure if there is a Peridiam video on this subject. If there is I haven't seen it, and it could definitely lead to some interesting discussion between us on the topic. I'm not set in stone on any of this. It's kind of my preliminary piecing together of the puzzle and I'm open to feedback. In addition to including which winners I have placed in each type, I threw in some "arguable" inclusions - those that I feel could be argued to fit into that type but I thought they fit better elsewhere.

The Golden Boy
The fit, good-looking, likable guy who is perceived as an all-around player. He charms his way through the game and sometimes other players will even seem to be playing for him to win. Even if his game has some glaring flaws, he can talk and smile his way out of them at the FTC.

Winners of this type: Ethan, Tom, Aras, J.T., Jeremy, Wendell, Nick (arguable: Tyson, Mike, Ben, Chris U)

If Dean wins this season, he will fall under this type.

The Passenger-Seat Driver
The second-in-command of a dominant alliance who sees themselves as working with the leader, not under them. They are actively involved in the decision-making and even come up with some plans themselves. They always maintain one hand near the wheel and at the last second they grab hold and steer the game in their direction.

Winners of this type: Tina, Amber, Natalie W, Sophie, Denise (arguable: Wendell)

If Lauren wins this season, she will fall under this type.

The Free Spirit
The person who wins the game simply by being themselves. They are generally written off as a non-threat early on but as the numbers dwindle, their likability makes them a major jury threat. They are not very strategic, and may even argue that not having a strategy was their strategy. Fans generally see this as the least-conventional way to win the game.

Winners of this type: Vecepia, Bob, Fabio (arguable: Natalie W)

If Noura wins this season, she will fall under this type.

The Iron Fist
The authoritarian ruler of the game who micromanages every move and maintains a stranglehold over their alliance. They aggressively ensure that everything that happens in the game serves their best interest and are not afraid to let everyone know they are in charge.

Winners of this type: Parvati, Rob, Tyson, Tony (arguable: Richard, Brian, Earl, Kim)

There is no would-be Iron Fist left in this season.

The Stealth Assassin
This is the under-the-radar player who makes few moves but makes them count. They don't like attention being brought to them and their game and prefers to make a devastating move when their victim least expects it rather than a series of moves that add up to an impressive resume. Their mantra is "as long as it's not me."

Winners of this type: Sandra, Danni (arguable: Vecepia, Michele)

If Elaine wins this season, she will fall under this type.

The Mastermind
By far the most common winner type. This is the intellectual player who pulls the strings in the game, but does so in a quieter manner than the Iron Fist. It's very clear to the audience that they are calling the shots, but perhaps less obvious to the other players. Many fans consider this the "standard" way to win Survivor, and all of these winners frequently rank high on lists of the best winners.

Winners of this type: Richard, Brian, Yul, Earl, Todd, Kim, Cochran, Natalie A, Sarah (arguable: Parvati, Jeremy)

If Tommy wins this season, he will fall under this type.

The Comeback Kid
The player who finds themselves stuck in a deep social and/or strategic hole later in the game (often one dug with their own shovel) that appears at first to render them with no viable path to the finals. However, they either find a crack in the status quo that allows them to get back into the thick of it, or tenaciously fight their way to the end as an underdog. This type has become extremely common in recent seasons due to the plethora of twists and format changes allowing such comebacks to happen, and seems to have become one of the producers' favorite winner narratives.

Winners of this type: Jenna, Chris D, Mike, Michele, Adam, Ben, Chirs U (arguable: Danni, Fabio, Nick)

If Janet wins this season, she will fall under this type.

So obviously the one person left from this season that I didn't put into a type is Dan, mainly because I can't fit him into one, and frankly the thought of him winning seems so far fetched and would be the biggest anomaly in Survivor history that it isn't worth racking my brain around it.

What do you guys think? Like I said, I'm not set in stone on any of this, and am open to feedback and discussion.

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Mewtwo59
12/08/19 11:13:37 PM
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I'd switch Tommy and Lauren on that. Last episode made it pretty clear that Lauren is the ringleader. Tommy could also end up as The Stealth Assassin depending on how things end up. Dan would probably be The Passenger-Seat Driver or The Stealth Assassin depending on how his hypothetical win turns out, but I agree that it's not happening.

And Inviso, I'm shocked that you didn't think Sandra is the perfect 10. I feel like it's pretty obvious when even her GC self is in the top 15.

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