Current Events > If god is real, why do bad things happen?

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Does that mean he is not all powerful? Are there things that god cannot control? Or does he let (or even cause) bad things happen?

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Apparently He gives humans free will to do as they please and He doesnt interfere.

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If you've read the Bible, you'll know God is a jerk.

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Hairistotle posted...

if he's real he can also be a dick right? maybe he just doesnt give a shit, or finds kids dying funny or something.

That's pretty twisted

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Because if there are gods then they likely are indifferent or just observing

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The vast majority of gods throughout all of human history have been giant assholes.

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s0nicfan posted...

The vast majority of gods throughout all of human history have been giant assholes.

UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH tends to do that.

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When you question things, Christians give vague answers like "well, the Lord works in mysterious ways." When you question inconsistencies in the bible, they say things like "well, we just can't understand it, but it must be true, because the bible is the word of God."

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Let's look at this at a realistic (lol) viewpoint. You create a world. I mean YOU. You create that world, then you populated it with millions, and billions of people. Do you honestly care about each individual life?

just because a God might exist, it doesn't mean that the being has to be wholly good/loving

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L_S_P posted...

Let's look at this at a realistic (lol) viewpoint. You create a world. I mean YOU. You create that world, then you populated it with millions, and billions of people. Do you honestly care about each individual life?

this. Its why I dislike religious people saying hes merciful or so compassionate. Its an arrogant mindset. God clearly loves HUMANS only. Fuck other animals.

God is just playing Sims. Its not intentional that the kitchen caught fire and killed Judy. But its a bit funny.

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Hairistotle posted...

tbh i wouldnt create life in the first place if i wasnt willing to take care of it. does that make me better than god? who's to say? who's to say indeed

Unless the point was to not take care of it, which could very well be the case if there's a creator

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Cause Thanos was partially right? Dont believe in god though.

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Pepys Monster posted...

When you question things, Christians give vague answers like "well, the Lord works in mysterious ways." When you question inconsistencies in the bible, they say things like "well, we just can't understand it, but it must be true, because the bible is the word of God."

But remember that god loves you so so much. But if you same-sex kiss then you make him cry

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When Adam and Eve disobeyed God and tasted of the forbidden fruit, it cursed humanity. All sorts of evil was unleashed into Eden and by proxy, Earth. Not just evil in men's hearts, but natural evils - tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc. With this act, humankind had lost favor with its maker.

When Christ sacrificed himself, however, it undid the binding of doomed existence that Adam wrought for the rest of us. By taking on the world's debt of sin, he became the New Adam and now we are allowed to return to paradise if we so choose to accept God's mercy and Christ into our hearts.

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I think the story of Jobe answers your question

God was the originator of "Just a prank" with asking Abraham to kill his son, and you're asking why bad things happen?

The supposed creator is just how we are when we fuck around on Sims.

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Even if you argue that God give us free will, millions, billions of humans have suffered and died beyond their control. Why does God create those things?

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Hairistotle posted...

so god put adam and eve in the garden knowing they would betray him

I don't necessarily believe this, at least I personally don't. There's a line in Genesis when, after Adam and Eve taste of the fruit they go off into hiding. When God asked Adam why he was hiding, Adam said he was ashamed of his nakedness, to which God replies in a very peculiar way.

"Who told you you were naked?"

I've always held that line with some providence. It's such a stand-out verse. Why would God ask such a thing? Surely he'd know what naked was, yes? Or perhaps the idea of shame being linked to nudity didn't mean such a thing to God, perhaps, as in childish innocence, nudity meant purity and thus the very idea of being afraid of being nude was a corruption of that concept. Which is why I can only surmise God would ask such a thing.

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EverDownward posted...

I don't necessarily believe this, at least I personally don't. There's a line in Genesis when, after Adam and Eve taste of the fruit they go off into hiding. When God asked Adam why he was hiding, Adam said he was ashamed of his nakedness, to which God replies in a very peculiar way.

"Who told you you were naked?"

I've always held that line with some providence. It's such a stand-out verse. Why would God ask such a thing? Surely he'd know what naked was, yes? Or perhaps the idea of shame being linked to nudity didn't mean such a thing to God, perhaps, as in childish innocence, nudity meant purity and thus the very idea of being afraid of being nude was a corruption of that concept. Which is why I can only surmise God would ask such a thing.

Early versions of the Jewish god were not omnipotent or omniscient. He was much closer to a Zeus or Odin figure.

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You simply dont understand the complex mind of God.
https://youtu.be/YdKzpV7sa10

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It's all just part of God's keikaku.

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I don't think God knew for sure that Adam and Eve would betray him. I believe he hoped that his creations would have better judgement.

But because Adam and Eve wanted to do things there way and go against God, he (God) decided to give them and their descendants a chance to rule Earth Man's way.

Because that's the only way to make people realize how foolish they are to not follow God's way. Fortunately, Man's rule isn't infinite.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Even if you argue that God give us free will, millions, billions of humans have suffered and died beyond their control. Why does God create those things?

Humanity can be seen as God's greatest experiment. Angels may be more powerful, more divine, but they weren't created with the ability to choose for themselves. But then, how did the Morningstar rebel if he, too, was simply an angel? Anyways, I digress.

I'm an advocate of longsuffering. Part of being Christian is to suffer, as Christ himself suffered significantly at the end of his life even while he carried painful, but benevolent convictions. "If the world hates you, know that it hated me first." We all have our own crosses to bear in life.

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Hairistotle posted...

so god put adam and eve in the garden knowing they would betray him, then he punished untold billions as a result

everyone should have started in paradise and been dealt with on a case by case basis imo. am i better than god? who's to say?

This. To me that's no different than leaving a plate of food on the table while you go to the bathroom. You know that your dog is going to jump up and eat it while you're gone, but you still do it. Then when you come back to find your dog eating your food, you yell at and beat the dog for doing exactly what you knew it would do all along.

God is also indirectly the source of all evil because He created Satan despite knowing what would transpire. Bad things happen only by His design.

To me a lot of religious stuff would be far easier to stomach if they dropped the omnipotent, omniscient, etc.. angle. If Gods were just higher beings that had the power to create but were also observing, learning and growing themselves I'd be like "Okay, I can buy that."

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Hairistotle posted...

oh man i thought you were joshin, i wasn't lookin to have a serious convo about this

It's fine. I just thought I'd offer some perspective since I know Christianity isn't necessarily held in high regard around here, but it is my faith and I do defend it.

Hairistotle posted...

i consider your beliefs to be crazy and/or a joke

As do most people.

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Its stated in like the first couple of passages of Genesis that although God is all-powerful, Humans are given free will to do as they please.

God didn't create you to be a mindless drone and servant. You are on this earth and your faith(or lack thereof) will be tested. Only those with faith through all obstacles will be saved by God and help deliver humanity from the Rapture

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Perascamin posted...

Its stated in like the first couple of passages of Genesis that although God is all-powerful, Humans are given free will to do as they please.

God didn't create you to be a mindless drone and servant. You are on this earth and your faith(or lack thereof) will be tested. Only those with faith through all obstacles will be saved by God and help deliver humanity from the Rapture

He sounds like a bit of an uncaring asshole

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It's a test.
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Yes, the ol' "Yo dawg, we herd u liek free will. So we gave you free will on the condition that if you don't exercise it exactly how we want it, you suffer for all eternity."

Truly, the epitome of compassion and not at all some kid with a magnifying glass over an anthill.

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Perascamin posted...

God didn't create you to be a mindless drone and servant.

except that's exactly what you believe will happen in heaven, where people worship their undeserving god for all time.

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Perascamin posted...

Its stated in like the first couple of passages of Genesis that although God is all-powerful, Humans are given free will to do as they please.

God didn't create you to be a mindless drone and servant. You are on this earth and your faith(or lack thereof) will be tested. Only those with faith through all obstacles will be saved by God and help deliver humanity from the Rapture

If he's all-knowing why does he need to test anyone

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Wewillrocku posted...

except that's exactly what you believe will happen in heaven, where people worship their undeserving god for all time.

The difference is that the people will be worshipping of their own free will.

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Sunburst posted...

The difference is that the people will be worshipping of their own free will.

Worship or go to hell is kinda forced.

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because if not a single bad thing that happens, we would all be like a tree, planting roots and growing fat,

it's like how we have hunger, wonder, cravings or desires, because if we are satisfied, the world will cease to be amazing/terrifying and we would gladly accept death

bad things like catastrophes, wars, disease, global warming, famine is just a sign that we should move, move to a safer place, not make a box to protect us, because like i said, it would be like planting roots and growing fat, the dangerous environment will cut us down unless we move

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https://youtu.be/d_RWqt8lieE

He's not all powerful, and there's no reason to believe He is. All we have to go on is His word, and there's no reason to trust Him.
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Y'all take the Bible too literally just to tear it apart. I always thought of the story of Adam and Eve as an metaphor for mankinds evolution from dumb animal into thinking intelligent beings. We were once ignorant, living in paradise, but then we evolved intelligence, or if you will, the knowledge of good and evil.

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mustachedmystic posted...

Y'all take the Bible too literally just to tear it apart. I always thought of the story of Adam and Eve as an metaphor for mankinds evolution from dumb animal into thinking intelligent beings. Were were once ignorant, living in paradise, but then we evolved intelligence, or if you will, the knowledge of good and evil.

they were two kids unsupervised with a hot stove and he told them not to touch it and left

what a shitty parent

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mustachedmystic posted...

Y'all take the Bible too literally just to tear it apart. I always thought of the story of Adam and Eve as an metaphor for mankinds evolution from dumb animal to thinking intelligent beings. Were were once ignorant, living in paradise, but then we evolved intelligence, or if you will, the knowledge of good and evil.

i envy animals for they dont stay up at night, thinking of their sins, of their mistakes

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Foppe posted...

Worship or go to hell is kinda forced.

You are not judged until the end of your life. Would you prefer to just be wiped out of existence? Some Churches believe that God takes mercy on the wicked and wipes them out of existence instead of torturing them in Hell forever.

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lilORANG posted...

He's not all powerful, and there's no reason to believe He is. All we have to go on is His word, and there's no reason to trust Him.

Lol/10

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The book of Job teaches us that our perspective is far too small to judge God's actions as good, evil, etc.

This weird idea that people looking for logical holes champion, that God is somehow required to do every act that we judge is good, is nowhere in the Bible.

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DevsBro posted...

The book of Job teaches us that our perspective is far too small to judge God's actions as good, evil, etc.

This weird idea that people looking for logical holes champion, that God is somehow required to do every act that we judge is good, is nowhere in the Bible.

Either good and evil is an objective truth created by God, and He has to follow his own standards, or morality is above God and He's not all powerful.
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"free will"

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