Board 8 > Coronavirus Episode 6: Return of the Jedi

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"New cases" means that these people were just diagnosed with COVID-19; meaning that in a week or two, they could end up hospitalized. This isn't hard. If the number of new cases keeps increases each day, then the number of hospitalizations are also likely to increase as well. There's a chance it won't, but the chance it will is still greater.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

If the total is within lower season flu range, the we have to have a debate as to whether or not the actions taken were commensurate to the problem. It's not a simple yes or no, but rather "what can we do better next time better balance risk aversion with limiting disruption to every day life?" Hopefully the country can have that discussion without it immediately becoming a polarized issue.

So you're saying that under different leadership we could have avoided tanking the economy so much, but we're not allowed to say that because criticizing Trump's leadership would be "polarizing"?
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Xeybozn posted...

So you're saying that under different leadership we could have avoided tanking the economy so much, but we're not allowed to say that because criticizing Trump's leadership would be "polarizing"?

...No?

We need to criticize the response at all levels. State and local most importantly, as they were the drivers of the lockdowns.

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v_charon posted...

"New cases" means that these people were just diagnosed with COVID-19; meaning that in a week or two, they could end up hospitalized. This isn't hard. If the number of new cases keeps increases each day, then the number of hospitalizations are also likely to increase as well. There's a chance it won't, but the chance it will is still greater.

If this were true then we wouldn't have seen a decline in hospital admissions yet...

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Anyway, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade! Just figured I'd throw those stats in there, make what you will of them.

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If this is a sign that we've done a good job of combating the virus and slowing the spread, good. No one should object to positive numbers and declines in hospitalizations.

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TheRock1525 posted...

If this is a sign that we've done a good job of combating the virus and slowing the spread, good. No one should object to positive numbers and declines in hospitalizations.

I am really interested in comparing Sweden's data after all of this. All stores/bars/restaurants remain open, so it can be a decent control to really see the impact of social distancing here.

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TheRock1525 posted...

If this is a sign that we've done a good job of combating the virus and slowing the spread, good. No one should object to positive numbers and declines in hospitalizations.

No one is doing that.

Who wants to react positively to someone that enters a topic and wonders when it's time to thank Trump, like seriously.
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v_charon posted...

No one is doing that.

Who wants to react positively to someone that enters a topic and wonders when it's time to thank Trump, like seriously.

I said "when do you think Trump takes credit"

yeesh, it's like your brain only allows you to read what you want to read

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France today:

in hospitals:
74390 confirmed cases + 3912
29722 hospitalized + 831 in 24 H
7072 in intensive care + 94 in 24 H
6494 dead + 605 in 24 H

in care homes:
23620 confirmed cases + 1259
2417 dead + 228

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I said "when do you think Trump takes credit"

yeesh, it's like your brain only allows you to read what you want to read

Orange man bad > all

Corrik7 posted...

France today:

in hospitals:
74390 confirmed cases + 3912
29722 hospitalized + 831 in 24 H
7072 in intensive care + 94 in 24 H
6494 dead + 605 in 24 H

in care homes:
23620 confirmed cases + 1259
2417 dead + 228

I have a trip scheduled for Paris the week of Bastille Day in July. Really pulling for them to contain this thing and keep the fireworks going!

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I have a trip scheduled for Paris the week of Bastille Day in July. Really pulling for them to contain this thing and keep the fireworks going!

Doubt it is happening, bud.

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It would be nice if this could flatten out a bit by the end of the month, but, we have to be vigilant. I'd rather have stuff like this over-exaggerated, to that effect.

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Corrik7 posted...

Doubt it is happening, bud.

Eh, I don't see them closing the city through July. I think the actual Bastille Day celebrations are probably in jeopardy though.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eh, I don't see them closing the city through July. I think the actual Bastille Day celebrations are probably in jeopardy though.

That's what I mean. I doubt big events are happening any time soon.

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https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1247241828325343233?s=20

Boris Johnson might die.

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Today's our 1st day of covid testing

We' re able to do 15 a day and any overflow gets sent out

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in lighter news, NBC Washington has a bit of a Freudian slip in one of their headlines

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1247246501430132738?s=21
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TheRock1525 posted...

If this is a sign that we've done a good job of combating the virus and slowing the spread, good. No one should object to positive numbers and declines in hospitalizations.

Not necessarily; a potential very bad reason for hospitalizations going down would be hospitals hitting max capacity. Having seen anecdotal accounts of people not being able to get a bed for an extended period of time Id want to know for sure that wasnt driving those decreases before celebrating.

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Not gonna lie I am getting pretty optimistic about the virus as of late.

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I hope so. I've given up on April, and I've given up on going to dine in restaurants any time soon, but damn it I just want to stop this work at home crap on May 1st.
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Honestly I think they should mandate working from home where possible always for jobs that can do it. It's good for traffic, the environment, natural distancing, workplace harassment, less time sink on workers, etc.

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If I could work at home forever and never see people again it would be a literal dream.

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Corrik7 posted...

Honestly I think they should mandate working from home where possible always for jobs that can do it. It's good for traffic, the environment, natural distancing, workplace harassment, less time sink on workers, etc.

For the duration of this pandemic (until there's a vaccine) that would probably be a good idea, but I don't think it's without costs. Personally my productivity is definitely down even though I in theory can do literally everything I need to remotely.

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Corrik7 posted...

Honestly I think they should mandate working from home where possible always for jobs that can do it. It's good for traffic, the environment, natural distancing, workplace harassment, less time sink on workers, etc.

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I think people that can work from home should, and maybe keep online learning the norm through the summer. Kids are gross and will spread this like crazy.

Beyond that open things up and encourage common sense after the end of the month imo. Id suggest wearing masks if possible to really limit this, but I think thats hard to enforce with the current shortage.

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Granted there is the weight of a pandemic raging at the moment that could be distracting you.

At least I'm certain it's been distracting me.

But yeah, some people do like the compartmentalization of going to an office.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

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I think people that can work from home should, and maybe keep online learning the norm through the summer. Kids are gross and will spread this like crazy.

Beyond that open things up and encourage common sense after the end of the month imo. Id suggest wearing masks if possible to really limit this, but I think thats hard to enforce with the current shortage.

They've been encouraging people to use homemade masks instead (which is very likely better than nothing). I just got the bandannas I ordered in the mail, so I'll start using those the next time I venture out to the store.

Esuriat posted...

Granted there is the weight of a pandemic raging at the moment that could be distracting you.

At least I'm certain it's been distracting me.

But yeah, some people do like the compartmentalization of going to an office.

Yeah that's definitely part of it, but I think the compartmentalization is contributing too for me.

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Ive worked from home since 2014, and I dont think I could go back to an office setting. I love it

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LordoftheMorons posted...

For the duration of this pandemic (until there's a vaccine) that would probably be a good idea, but I don't think it's without costs. Personally my productivity is definitely down even though I in theory can do literally everything I need to remotely.

I'm the same way. I have never been able to do any work from home (as a student and afterwards). I always had to go to a coffee shop, library, or a bar. Work is slow going.

As far as the other stuff goes, hospitalization numbers down or not, this administration doesn't let things go past June 1st in regards to social distancing/shelter-in-place orders. At that point the economy will be so in the toilet that basically all the states, NY included, are just going to have to reopen and let patients and doctors suffer and die. Even if this means a rebound. Universities will remain online only and some businesses will maintain WFH, but at that point leaders are going to have to make a concerted effort to get people going to small businesses again.

I don't think bringing back the economy without containing the virus is even a choice we have, even without debating such a hypothetical tradeoff. Unless people feel safe they're not going to want to go out to restaurants, go shopping, etc.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I don't think bringing back the economy without containing the virus is even a choice we have, even without debating such a hypothetical tradeoff. Unless people feel safe they're not going to want to go out to restaurants, go shopping, etc.

Can I point you to people I know? Lol.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I don't think bringing back the economy without containing the virus is even a choice we have, even without debating such a hypothetical tradeoff. Unless people feel safe they're not going to want to go out to restaurants, go shopping, etc.

I live in New York and went to prospect park on Saturday. It was absolutely packed. 75% of people weren't wearing masks.

Even in the heart of the outbreak, people aren't living scared. I assume it's a very strange concept to many here.

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Well I mean yeah some people are going to do whatever they want to regardless. You'd definitely have some people start going out again, but I'd imagine, say, restaurants would probably have >50% less dine in business than usual if allowed to be open (there's data from reservation apps that showed that before dine in closures were mandated).

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

I live in New York and went to prospect park on Saturday. It was absolutely packed. 75% of people weren't wearing masks.

Even in the heart of the outbreak, people aren't living scared. I assume it's a very strange concept to many here.

Those people are fucking idiots. No wonder this country % is going to be the worst pound for pound because you have the biggest idiots living here.

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Welp

By the end of the week we're going to be required to wear cloth masks at all times when we're at work

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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Those people are fucking idiots. No wonder this country % is going to be the worst pound for pound because you have the biggest idiots living here.

:)

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ninkendo posted...

Welp

By the end of the week we're going to be required to wear cloth masks at all times when we're at work

hey were already there at my hospital. welcome. we also have to show proof on our phones thru a symptom checker app that were cleared to work to even get inside the building

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-test-antibody-kit-uk-china-nhs-matt-hancock-a9449816.html

3.5 MILLION tests.
all worthless.

thanks, China.


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Numbers:
-5478 new cases (140510 total, 4% increase, yesterday 3.2%)
-743 deaths (13798 total, 5.6% increase, yesterday 5.1%)
-138 new ICU hospitalization (7069 total, 2% increase, yesterday 1%)
- 2771 new recoveries (43208 total, 6.8% increase)

Spain

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Also side note charon shut the fuck up

Some of those headlines are old/false/weird. Hopefully thats satire or something

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neonreaper posted...

Some of those headlines are old/false/weird. Hopefully thats satire or something

There is one at the bottom making light of the flu killing a mere 8000 people.

And shame on me for responding at all.

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Further evidence that COVID has passed its peak in NY now at Cuomo's press conference. The doomsday models have likewise been shedding the death prediction rapidly day-after-day.

A few weeks ago it was 2 million deaths in the US. Then it was 200,000+ even with isolation measures.

Then it was 100,000+ because we self-isolated.

Then it was 80,000.

Now it continues to drop.

Remember that I predicted 30,000 from the beginning (I was also the only one here who believed that we would not be at war with Iran this year). We'll see where it ends up.

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Edit: Nvm. Not COVID relevant. Not going to get into it.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Further evidence that COVID has passed its peak in NY now at Cuomo's press conference. The doomsday models have likewise been shedding the death prediction rapidly day-after-day.

A few weeks ago it was 2 million deaths in the US. Then it was 200,000+ even with isolation measures.

Then it was 100,000+ because we self-isolated.

Then it was 80,000.

Now it continues to drop.

Remember that I predicted 30,000 from the beginning (I was also the only one here who believed that we would not be at war with Iran this year). We'll see where it ends up.

Why are you so obsessed with being "right"? No one fucking cares.

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He cares. Which I surmise is the problem.

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Waluigi1 posted...

Why are you so obsessed with being "right"? No one f***ing cares.

Because people who kept screaming that millions of people are going to die need to self reflect. And also reflect on how I'm generally right all of the time.

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Millions were going to die. We took measures to prevent that and they seem to be working. We could have taken even further measures and prevent even more deaths.

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