Board 8 > Undertale losing was ridiciulous.

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XIII_rocks posted...

I like Undertale a lot, but it is absolutely not in the conversation for "Greatest of All Time", and all the voters who at the time said "nono, we're voting for it because we honestly feel it's the best thing ever" have been exposed now it seems. Is it anybody's number 1 game of all time now?

I mean bandwagons are fine - god knows the vast majority of us liked L-Block - but I was told by its fans that Undertale's rally was more than that, legitimate and heartfelt, born of a genuine passion for the game to be "rightly" deemed the "Best Game Ever". But where is that passion now? Is it possible that Undertale is just exactly what it seemed - a right-place, right-time cult hit that doesn't actually, long-term, belong in this echelon of games?

The thing is though that on Gamefaqs the only right time there is is the 90s. Its not like the games of the 10s are any worse than those of the two previous decades, yet the field on Gamefaqs is super weak. The site is as stuck in the past as its ever been.
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So on other sites, do you think Undertale would win a "best game ever" or "game of the decade" contest?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Undertale is still one of my favorite games at least. Not my FAVORITE game. Maybe top 5, top 10 at worst.

I lose track. Are you LtM?

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XIII_rocks posted...

So on other sites, do you think Undertale would win a "best game ever" or "game of the decade" contest?

I think its absolutely possible it could, or at least do very, very well. Remember the reaction Sans getting just a Mii Costume got? With places with a younger demographic than this one, Undertale is still extremely popular and beloved.
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Hbthebattle posted...

The thing is though that on Gamefaqs the only right time there is is the 90s. Its not like the games of the 10s are any worse than those of the two previous decades, yet the field on Gamefaqs is super weak. The site is as stuck in the past as its ever been.

Well it's also the fact that back then most people who were into games had an SNES, whereas today some people went with the Playstation or Xbox instead. However, the Switch seems to be kindof a resurgence of Nintendo's consumer base after how awful the Wii U did, so it's not surprising that it's games will do well.

Though truth be told, the 16 and 32 bit era's in gaming were pretty legendary for JRPG's which this site is obviously going to have a lot of JRPG fans.

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Hbthebattle posted...

I think its absolutely possible it could, or at least do very, very well. Remember the reaction Sans getting just a Mii Costume got? With places with a younger demographic than this one, Undertale is still extremely popular and beloved.

Sounds pie in the sky to me. Could you define "very, very well"?

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XIII_rocks posted...

So on other sites, do you think Undertale would win a "best game ever" or "game of the decade" contest?

There are sites where Fortnite would stomp Zelda into the ground.
So i'm not sure comparing to other sites is particularly meanginful.

XIII_rocks posted...

Sounds pie in the sky to me. Could you define "very, very well"?

Finals, Semifinals, Quarterfinals. At the very least, itd smash Octopath.
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Hbthebattle posted...

I think its absolutely possible it could, or at least do very, very well. Remember the reaction Sans getting just a Mii Costume got? With places with a younger demographic than this one, Undertale is still extremely popular and beloved.

Exactly, try claiming Fortnite isn't popular because it got clobbered in this contest and you'd be rightfully laughed at.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

If anything this is a good cautionary tale for future rallies.

You want to rally a game? Go on. But GameFAQs will never forgive you, and your game or its characters will never win a match in this site again.

Ah yes famously hated character Mario never won a match since his 2002 rally. or just look at the double standard for Melee's rally, because if Undertale didn't win, it would have.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Ah yes famously hated character Mario never won a match since his 2002 rally. or just look at the double standard for Melee's rally, because if Undertale didn't win, it would have.

That's not the same thing and you know it

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Eh. I expected a close match, I got a close match. Had Undetale going way further than I probably should've. ah well
got a lot of opportunities to make that up this bracket, like hoping FTL can turn around one of the hardest blowouts Persona will ever give

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Hbthebattle posted...

Ah yes famously hated character Mario never won a match since his 2002 rally. or just look at the double standard for Melee's rally, because if Undertale didn't win, it would have.

They didnt win. If Melee had beaten Undertale (and apparently it should have and the result was sketch) then Melee is the bad guy. There are a decent number of people still upset about Melee vs. Chrono Trigger. It just gets overshadowed by Undertale. And unlike Undertale, Melee could do it again.

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Averia posted...

There are sites where Fortnite would stomp Zelda into the ground.
So i'm not sure comparing to other sites is particularly meanginful.

It is when I'm dealing with a post that says "GameFAQs' only "right time" is the 90s". To which I say - ok, fine, so if I'm wrong and Undertale is more than just a "right place, right time cult hit", where else would it be crowned "best game ever"? Would the fanbase still mobilize to push it over the line as it did then?

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XIII_rocks posted...

That's not the same thing and you know it

Melees is absolutely the same thing, it just didnt make the finish line.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Call me when Pokemon Red, Mario 64, or Ocarina of Time gets its own professional wrestling entrance at a PPV.

That was not a PPV. That was weekly television.

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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Wrestling sucks balls so noone cares.

blocked

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Hbthebattle posted...

I think its absolutely possible it could, or at least do very, very well. Remember the reaction Sans getting just a Mii Costume got? With places with a younger demographic than this one, Undertale is still extremely popular and beloved.

Mythiot posted...

Exactly, try claiming Fortnite isn't popular because it got clobbered in this contest and you'd be rightfully laughed at.

Plenty of people were opposed to Sans being in Smash Bros. due to the toxic fandom. Don't make fools of yourselves. If anything, people were relieved when he was shown to be a Mii costume so that he wouldn't have taken one of the DLC slots.

I got this match wrong too
I didn't expect a rally or a powerhouse Undertale, but I thought it might have enough natural strength to beat Octopath Traveler
I mean the game is pretty hit or miss and plenty of people were disappointed with it (I didn't play it, just saying what I read online)
Where Undertale is more...liked by the people that did play it
I thought Undertale would see a increase in the playerbase here

Well, whatever. I am far from a perfect bracket anyway

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I found the loss quite poetic to be perfectly frank.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Melees is absolutely the same thing, it just didnt make the finish line.

No it's not. Melee was already a very strong game and was largely being rallied to deal with an even bigger rally. It rallying its way past Chrono Trigger is annoying for some people, sure, I get it, but it's hardly some ridiculous thing for SSBM to beat CT here. And, ultimately, SSBM's rally failed.

It has been very clear for like 7 years - for some, as many as 13 - what kind of rally this site and this community will accept and what kind it won't. Those lines in the sand are very clearly drawn by now.

1) don't be a really shitty weak entry that suddenly gets propelled to god-tier. This is made especially worse if you then completely abandon it later.
2) don't have a trollish fanbase on this board/don't help turn the board into a toxic soup
3) don't be too esoteric and exclude the majority of people, especially the majority of people who play close attention to the contests.

L-Block admittedly does #1 but is absolutely not guilty of 2 and 3 since almost everyone was in on the joke.
SSBM doesn't fulfill any of them.
Undertale very obviously does 1 and 3, and during the contest there's an argument for 2 as well.
But it was still better than Draven, which ticks all three boxes a dozen times over.

Admittedly the list isn't exhaustive and there are slight exceptions; Draven had other stuff on top of those such as the downtime during Link/Draven/Shephard fuelling the hate for his rally, but that's a unique situation so I couldn't list it. And Mario is in no way esoteric but some people turned on him in 2018 after he rallied his way past Samus. But he still only lost to Cloud by a hundred or so, so who knows how much that was actually a factor.

Probably you could add "don't actually win the contest" to that too. If Undertale lost to SSBM its rally would be more accepted, and SSBM's would be less accepted. Starcraft's in 2004 is mostly remembered fondly, even though it actually cheated, and part (not all) of that I'd say is because it didn't actually win or even threaten to win.

Acting like all rallies are equal when they all have very different effects on people is silly. And yes, sheer game preference is a factor, I won't pretend it isn't.

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Guys, I'll let you in on a secret.
People simply click on the first choice.
All games that were the first option have won so far.

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Undertale was a meme and now the meme is dead so nobody cares about it anymore. What a shock!

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It was a neat Earthbound spin off.

That's all I have to say about it

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Played both, preferred Octopath. Undertale had a good soundtrack at least.

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I've tried undertale like 3 times and found it incredibly boring.

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imthestuntman posted...

I've tried undertale like 3 times and found it incredibly boring.

Which is okay, you should vote on what you think of the game, not their fanbase. That's why I think it losing was ridiculous. It's obviously the preferred game but people hold petty grudges.

Josh5890 posted...

I had Undertale making the final four because of what happened with that best game ever poll years ago.

Man I blew it big time

I feel you on this one. I loved Octopath, but after that whole Best Game Ever, I gave it to UnderTale. Well, there goes my bracket.

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Lol at the salt.

No sympathy after Undertale ruined BGE contest.

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_PandaMaster_ posted...

No sympathy after Undertale ruined BGE contest.

How did it ruin the contest?
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Nemesis347 posted...

Which is okay, you should vote on what you think of the game, not their fanbase. That's why I think it losing was ridiculous. It's obviously the preferred game but people hold petty grudges.

If it was the preferred game, it would've won.

People who prefer Undertale wouldn't be upset about it winning.

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The amount of people personifying a video game like it hurt them personally here is scary.

It's a game, a really good game. We're voting based on the best game. Not on past rallies, contest results, fan bases or spite. Yeesh.

Get. Over. It.

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Theres nothing that would be funnier to me than if octopath won best game of the decade how everyone's opinion on this match outcome would suddenly flip.

Undertale was great btw. Probably legitimately the best game I played this decade

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Nanis23 posted...

I got this match wrong too
I didn't expect a rally or a powerhouse Undertale, but I thought it might have enough natural strength to beat Octopath Traveler
I mean the game is pretty hit or miss and plenty of people were disappointed with it (I didn't play it, just saying what I read online)
Where Undertale is more...liked by the people that did play it
I thought Undertale would see a increase in the playerbase here

Well, whatever. I am far from a perfect bracket anyway

It was close enough that I dont think that theory is totally off base; I think with enough people who werent anti voting it, it could have very well won this round. And I forgot to take that into account, as well as the fact that people from gamefaqs anti voting it now have double vote power...


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The bots have truly failed us-Bot maker.

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wg64Z posted...

The amount of people personifying a video game like it hurt them personally here is scary.

It's a game, a really good game. We're voting based on the best game. Not on past rallies, contest results, fan bases or spite. Yeesh.

Get. Over. It.

People will never forget about what happened in the past. You better understand that.

Hbthebattle posted...

How did it ruin the contest?

Well specifically its fans and ralliers did. Just like a bunch of other GFAQs contests a bunch of trolls thought it'd be funny to meme rally something that had zero chance or business winning under normal circumstances. See Draven and L-Block.

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wg64Z posted...

The amount of people personifying a video game like it hurt them personally here is scary.

It's a game, a really good game. We're voting based on the best game. Not on past rallies, contest results, fan bases or spite. Yeesh.

Get. Over. It.

Exactly. They can't disassociate fandom from game.

Nope., You know what that's called? Justice.

Octopath > Undertale.

Yikes

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Yuri from Final fantasy 7?

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No, Yuri from the good game.

Naw, it's [Undertale] hot fucking Garbage.

So it getting beat by an actually good game? Not ridiculous by any definition.

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Nintendogs posted...

People will never forget about what happened in the past. You better understand that.

When did I say forget? I said get over it. Reading is hard.

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wg64Z posted...

When did I say forget? I said get over it. Reading is hard.

It means they're going to say "no" if you tell them to "get over it". Is that tough for you?

lmao Undertale fans butt frustrated that their shitty meme game had zero staying power

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UltimaterializerX posted...

99% of the trolling was started and maintained by Board 8 users, which was quoted everywhere else and summarily laughed at appropriately.

man, for a board 8 historian you sure are atrocious at remembering what happened

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