Board 8 > Undertale losing was ridiciulous.

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ExThaNemesis
04/02/20 7:05:51 PM
#104:


TsunamiFox posted...
That was not a PPV. That was weekly television.

Kenny came out to Hopes and Dreams at mf Wrestle Kingdom, bruh

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Pirateking2000
04/02/20 7:25:28 PM
#105:


Not sure what the big deal is? Undertale has the superior title of Best Game Ever. Let the peasants battle over best of a mere decade.

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04/02/20 7:35:00 PM
#107:


ExThaNemesis posted...
lmao Undertale fans butt frustrated that their shitty meme game had zero staying power
I'm mostly seeing really pissed off people here high fiving one another that it lost?

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Lucavi000
04/02/20 7:38:33 PM
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cause they full of irrational hate on a non-relevant video game forum.

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foolm0r0n
04/02/20 7:56:23 PM
#109:


XIII_rocks posted...
I like Undertale a lot, but it is absolutely not in the conversation for "Greatest of All Time", and all the voters who at the time said "nono, we're voting for it because we honestly feel it's the best thing ever" have been exposed now it seems. I think I said this when it lost the GotY poll so badly but people responded by saying "it doesn't matter, it's just a stupid GotY poll". But this was a contest just like the one it won and it lost in R1 to "Octopath Traveller". I mean, yikes, is it anybody's number 1 game of all time now?
Easily still top 5

The question is what other games have come out that do what it does? Nier Automata does parts of it (and so it's also way up in my list), but that's it.

You seriously just don't get the game at all. Never have, and apparently never will. That's fine for you, but it doesn't change that it's unbelievably good.

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The Utility Man
04/02/20 7:59:32 PM
#110:


Is it really that big of a deal that people that enjoy these contests are bothered by outside influence deciding them? I think it makes perfect sense. Sure, no one should be flying off the handle about it, but I think being annoyed enough to anti vote it isn't overdoing it.

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SantaRPidgey
04/02/20 8:02:05 PM
#111:


The Utility Man posted...
Is it really that big of a deal that people that enjoy these contests are bothered by outside influence deciding them?

Outside influences is like, a defining feature of the contest, so yeah its pretty darn wild when people are upset by it.

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The Utility Man
04/02/20 8:05:01 PM
#112:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Outside influences is like, a defining feature of the contest, so yeah its pretty darn wild when people are upset by it.

While I can agree that outside influence is not something that can be completely prevented, we haven't seen much on the level of Draven and Undertale, so I don't blame anyone for being bothered by their runs.

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Nemesis347
04/02/20 8:07:01 PM
#113:


Skeletal_King posted...
Nope., You know what that's called? Justice.

Octopath > Undertale.


If you like Octopath more that's valid. If you think it's justice then you're a tumblerina.
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theRepublic
04/02/20 8:40:52 PM
#114:


Hbthebattle posted...
How did it ruin the contest?
It made the outcome look pretty goofy. Less than a month latter it finished in 4th for Game of the Year 2015.

  1. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Eliminated in Round 2 against Metal Gear Solid 2
  2. Fallout 4 - Not in the bracket, probably released too late. Fallout 3 and New Vegas lost in Round 2. Fallout 3 lost to Undertale and New Vegas lost to Resident Evil 4
  3. Bloodborne - Lost in Round 1 to Final Fantasy XII
  4. Undertale - Won the whole thing somehow.
  5. Xenoblade Chronicles X - Finished a very close 5th in Game of the Year. Not in the bracket, probably released too late. Xenoblade Chronicles lost in Round 1 to Donkey Kong Country 2.
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jcgamer107
04/03/20 1:29:28 AM
#115:


theRepublic posted...
Less than a month latter it finished in 4th for Game of the Year 2015.
yeah but weren't people already anti-voting it then?

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TsunamiFox
04/03/20 1:58:22 AM
#116:


ExThaNemesis posted...
Kenny came out to Hopes and Dreams at mf Wrestle Kingdom, bruh
And?

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wg64Z
04/03/20 8:23:24 AM
#117:


The Utility Man posted...
Is it really that big of a deal that people that enjoy these contests are bothered by outside influence deciding them? I think it makes perfect sense. Sure, no one should be flying off the handle about it, but I think being annoyed enough to anti vote it isn't overdoing it.

Of course. Is that the game's fault though? Not at all.

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 9:22:27 AM
#118:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Outside influences is like, a defining feature of the contest, so yeah its pretty darn wild when people are upset by it.

I made a post on the last page that clearly defines why some rallies are ok and some rallies aren't

I think the worst part of the discourse has been posts like this where the difference between rallies can be clearly pointed out like multiple times and pro-rally people are like "NO", and stay on the line that they must all be equal and it must just be some hypocritical double-standard.

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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 9:23:29 AM
#119:


XIII_rocks posted...
and it must just be some hypocritical and childish double-standard.


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banananor
04/03/20 9:24:54 AM
#120:


It does feel like the outside internet lost interest in gamefaqs after dravem won

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 9:27:07 AM
#121:


Well yeah of course you would simply ignore very obvious, reasonable factors

Like the most obvious one is how esoteric it is. The vast majority of people didn't play Undertale. What was essentially an in-joke took over the contest, and shut out the majority. But L-Block was fine.

Are you really saying you don't understand the difference between those two things?

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 9:29:23 AM
#122:


I'm not saying you have to be against rallies, against the Draven rally or any other rally. I'm saying maybe stop disregarding people's dislike for them so flippantly. It's pig-headed at this point.

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The Utility Man
04/03/20 9:48:52 AM
#123:


wg64Z posted...
Of course. Is that the game's fault though? Not at all.

It isn't the games fault no, however I understand people wanting to anti vote it so that what happened doesn't happen again.

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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 9:57:04 AM
#124:


XIII_rocks posted...
Are you really saying you don't understand the difference between those two things?

I'm saying just because things have differences doesnt make them fundamentally different concepts

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Rthan
04/03/20 10:11:36 AM
#125:


I love the ridiculously stupid double standard going on here...

Pro Side -

+ Undertale was great, deserved to win
+ Rallying to get it the win was justified and awesome
.- Rallying against it is childish and stupid
.- Gamefaqs is irrelevant who cares who wins

Con Side -

+ Undertale was dogcrap, and this coming from someone who played it
+ Rallying its rival to beat Undertale is justified and awesome
.- Rallying Undertale to beat better games is childish and stupid
.- Gamefaqs contest matters to gamefaqs user, if its irrelevant why push your views (best game) on them.

I mean **** you cant have it both ways, only when its YOUR garbage game that wins or loses...either your for something, or against it.. not a "as long as it favors what I like, its ok".

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ZeroSignal620
04/03/20 10:17:18 AM
#126:


jcgamer107 posted...
yeah but weren't people already anti-voting it then?

Not necessarily. In the GotY polls, Undertale won Best PC Game in a poll that also included Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. Obviously it fell to 4th when all the poll winners were put in.

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The Utility Man
04/03/20 10:20:48 AM
#127:


Rthan posted...
I mean **** you cant have it both ways, only when its YOUR garbage game that wins or loses...either your for something, or against it.. not a "as long as it favors what I like, its ok".

Do we even know if Octopath was rallied to beat Undertale? I would think it would have won on it's own merits.

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Rthan
04/03/20 10:34:25 AM
#128:


The Utility Man posted...
Do we even know if Octopath was rallied to beat Undertale? I would think it would have won on it's own merits.
Not according to the assblasted people... yet they are the first ones to say that Undertale lost due to people being "butt-hurt".

Honestly I gave up gaming last generation (PS3 and 360) were my last consoles... so since I dont follow gaming news, if I happen to hear about a game it means its either very popular, or very hated, but it gets a lot of media coverage... I recognize like a little bit more than half the games in the contest at best.

Ocotopath was one of the ones I have no idea what it is. Undertale however I have heard of due to its Toxic fanbase that offer "pacifism" with one hand, but are total bullies with the other.

This is why I hate this format of contest... if it was 1v1 every day, I could have just skipped Undertale vs Octopath... however it was in a bracket where I wanted to vote for other games... and I needed to pick a winner between Oct and Und...

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 10:46:09 AM
#130:


Rthan posted...
loses...either your for something, or against it

This is the shit I'm talking about
Wtf is this? Is there no room for like nuance or difference? Why do you have to go straight for the perjorative "nope you're just a massive hypocrite despite the clear differences"

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KokoroAkechi
04/03/20 10:48:01 AM
#131:


UltimaterializerX posted...
You guys have always had double standards about rallies, which is why I will always enjoy topics like this calling it out. I didnt see anyone complaining when Mega Man rallied at the end to beat Charizard. I didnt see anyone complaining when Sonic came back and beat Crono. I barely saw anyone complaining when Majoras Mask beat Final Fantasy X.

come on man. these were all already statistically close matches before a rally and you know it. (Note: i dont actually know how close these were be. But I can tell they would not be as far apart as Undertale vs X or Draven versus X, etc.)

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KokoroAkechi
04/03/20 10:49:58 AM
#132:


XIII_rocks posted...
This is the shit I'm talking about
Wtf is this? Is there no room for like nuance or difference? Why do you have to go straight for the perjorative "nope you're just a massive hypocrite despite the clear differences"

This is just what culture is right now. Standing in a middle position means you have no real allies with a voice.
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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 10:51:28 AM
#133:


SantaRPidgey posted...
I'm saying just because things have differences doesnt make them fundamentally different concepts

I mean duh? I'm not against - or for - the "concept" of rallies. I'm not sure anyone is? It's had some effect on literally every match ever. It is just a thing that happens. It's like being for or against the concept of match pictures.

It is laughable that a match with a vote difference of less than a thousand between two strong entrants is even remotely comparable to an esoteric sub-Chie character becoming an unstoppable god. Those are just so obviously not the same thing, or even close to the same thing, and the idea that you cannot enjoy one and dislike the other makes no sense.

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The Utility Man
04/03/20 11:16:32 AM
#134:


Rthan posted...
Not according to the assblasted people... yet they are the first ones to say that Undertale lost due to people being "butt-hurt".

I doubt that Octopath got rallied for TBH. Yes you'll see some people on here cheering that Undertale lost and/or that they anti voted it, and it certainly could have gotten a lot of anti votes, but I don't think it was a rally.

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theRepublic
04/03/20 2:27:47 PM
#136:


jcgamer107 posted...
yeah but weren't people already anti-voting it then?
It did win the PC only Game of the Year poll a few days before. I also think it is a lot harder to do a coordinated anti-vote when there are multiple options instead of 1v1. This poll had 8 options.
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Nemesis347
04/03/20 3:09:13 PM
#137:


The problem with what you guys are calling anti-voting is that it is still something born out of the rally, albeit years later.

Being an anti-voter is effectively being the same as the people that participated in those terrible rallies back then. It makes you even more a of a fool because at they were participating in those practices consciously and willingly, while the anti-voter is ignorant that he is the same.

What Im saying is, anti-voting keeps the a 5 year old rally alive and impacting our contests.
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Thenenen
04/03/20 3:15:58 PM
#138:


It's almost as if Gamefaqs users are self-interested and hate outside factors they couldn't predict! I never could have predicted that from how they full-heartedly support an active-passive citizenship distinction straight out of the early days of the French Revolution!

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 3:39:28 PM
#139:


TsunamiFox posted...
And?

so your "gatcha" of "ACTUALLY IT WAS ONLY ON LIVE TV" was irrelevant because it was also used during the second biggest wrestling ppv in the world

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 3:41:09 PM
#140:


UltimaterializerX posted...
You guys like to pick and choose, and it doesnt work that way. You either like rallies or you dont.

this type of single-minded willful ignorance is probably why you got kicked from the discord brah

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Thenenen
04/03/20 3:44:04 PM
#142:


ExThaNemesis posted...
this type of single-minded willful ignorance is probably why you got kicked from the discord brah
So you want the contest winners to be fixed, but only want the margins to be varied?

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 4:16:04 PM
#143:


I'm saying there are clear differences in rallies no matter how much you guys want to plug your ears. There's a difference between stuff like Duck Hunt coming back with the day vote and the entire fucking League of Legends subreddit flooding our website.

Y'all absolutely know the difference, you're just trolling and pretending you don't see it!

And honestly, I feel like most of us would have been okay with the Draven rally if it didn't ALSO take a DDOS and incompetence from the administrator to beat Link.

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Lucavi000
04/03/20 4:21:22 PM
#144:


Youre either for or against. There is no middle ground.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 4:28:29 PM
#145:


lmao no, there's a middle ground. It's not my fault you refuse to see it when many of us have outlined right where it is.

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Lucavi000
04/03/20 4:41:05 PM
#146:


I dont think there is.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 4:53:28 PM
#148:


I don't know what you're missing about it exactly but I can't really help you any further to see the differences.

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Hbthebattle
04/03/20 4:57:47 PM
#149:


Rallies are ok as long they help me personally
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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:09:10 PM
#150:


lmao

I refuse to accept that this isn't trolling.

Such is the sheer stupidity on offer

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:12:12 PM
#151:


XIII_rocks posted...
No it's not. Melee was already a very strong game and was largely being rallied to deal with an even bigger rally. It rallying its way past Chrono Trigger is annoying for some people, sure, I get it, but it's hardly some ridiculous thing for SSBM to beat CT here. And, ultimately, SSBM's rally failed.

It has been very clear for like 7 years - for some, as many as 13 - what kind of rally this site and this community will accept and what kind it won't. Those lines in the sand are very clearly drawn by now.

1) don't be a really shitty weak entry that suddenly gets propelled to god-tier. This is made especially worse if you then completely abandon it later.
2) don't have a trollish fanbase on this board/don't help turn the board into a toxic soup
3) don't be too esoteric and exclude the majority of people, especially the majority of people who play close attention to the contests.

L-Block admittedly does #1 but is absolutely not guilty of 2 and 3 since almost everyone was in on the joke.
SSBM doesn't fulfill any of them.
Undertale very obviously does 1 and 3, and during the contest there's an argument for 2 as well.
But it was still better than Draven, which ticks all three boxes a dozen times over.

Admittedly the list isn't exhaustive and there are slight exceptions; Draven had other stuff on top of those such as the downtime during Link/Draven/Shephard fuelling the hate for his rally, but that's a unique situation so I couldn't list it. And Mario is in no way esoteric but some people turned on him in 2018 after he rallied his way past Samus. But he still only lost to Cloud by a hundred or so, so who knows how much that was actually a factor.

Probably you could add "don't actually win the contest" to that too. If Undertale lost to SSBM its rally would be more accepted, and SSBM's would be less accepted. Starcraft's in 2004 is mostly remembered fondly, even though it actually cheated, and part (not all) of that I'd say is because it didn't actually win or even threaten to win.

Acting like all rallies are equal when they all have very different effects on people is silly. And yes, sheer game preference is a factor, I won't pretend it isn't.

I don't see how I can lay it out any more clearly than I did here. If the actually sane "there's no middle ground" people want to actually refute this stuff then great, otherwise it's just thoughtless.

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NFUN
04/03/20 5:17:12 PM
#152:


Undertale is very esoteric yes. Truly inscrutable
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Hbthebattle
04/03/20 5:20:12 PM
#153:


That list literally boils down to "Don't let characters or games I don't like and/or recognize beat characters I do."- which is COMPLETELY a double standard and you know it. Just because you have a criteria for an "acceptable rally" doesn't mean you don't have a double standard when it boils down to only being ok with stuff you like and recognize, like L-Block, getting a rallied win.

ExThaNemesis posted...
lmao

I refuse to accept that this isn't trolling.

Such is the sheer stupidity on offer


Didn't you take credit for starting the hentai rallies last year? You have zero ground to stand on for calling anyone else a troll.
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